Windows 10 Creators Update

Don't know, part of me want to avoid the OEM problem all together and just go for the box versions, but the OEM version is literally peanuts compared to the box that the other half of me is saying it won't hurt to try...
 
chenw said:
Don't know, part of me want to avoid the OEM problem all together and just go for the box versions, but the OEM version is literally peanuts compared to the box that the other half of me is saying it won't hurt to try...
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The biggest problem practically speaking with the OEM is reactivating if you need to swap out hardware, stuff like that. You used to have to call to get it reactivate but I think there's a smartphone app for that now?
 
chenw said:
Don't know, part of me want to avoid the OEM problem all together and just go for the box versions, but the OEM version is literally peanuts compared to the box that the other half of me is saying it won't hurt to try...
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OEM used to be a fairly good deal, it really isn't worth it anymore considering the cost of full Windows licences.
 
BulletDust said:
If you're the first licenced user, highly unlikely considering the users selling licences on these forums.
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I was just pointing out the terms. I'm not trying to be the Windows licensing police. It's pretty obvious that Microsoft doesn't care about certain breaking of the formal rules because well, that's more Windows users.
 
heatlesssun said:
I was just pointing out the terms. I'm not trying to be the Windows licensing police. It's pretty obvious that Microsoft doesn't care about certain breaking of the formal rules because well, that's more Windows users.
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Believe me, they do. I've seen many system builders go down in flames as a result of MS spies purchacing PC's and checking the history of the licence. There would undoubtedly be people on these forums that build systems for others at times, sometimes people they don't know personally.

If you want Windows and it's such an outstanding product, justifying $150.00 for a licence shouldn't be an issue.
 
BulletDust said:
Believe me, they do. I've seen many system builders go down in flames as a result of MS spies purchacing PC's and checking the history of the licence. There would undoubtedly be people on these forums that build systems for others at times, sometimes people they don't know personally.
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All I said was that Microsoft didn't care about certain things, not everything.

BulletDust said:
If you want Windows and it's such an outstanding product, justifying $150.00 for a licence shouldn't be an issue.
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So if it's worth $150 then it's clearly worth $20!:D All commercial software gets pirated, that's a law of physics.
 
heatlesssun said:
So if it's worth $150 then it's clearly worth $20!:D All commercial software gets pirated, that's a law of physics.
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Mustn't be that good if you're not willing to pay full retail. Surely Windows is worth $150.00, just think of the support you'll get. ;)

Purchase of dubious licence resellers on forums = Buyer beware. I wouldn't be advising people to do such an activity on a public forum.
 
The sellers here at [H] selling those Windows 7 licenses have what we Americans call "a proven track record" so it's a non-issue, can't speak for how things happen down in Australia or wherever else other people might be, but it's a safe bet to get one from one of the people here at least from the buyer reports I've seen over the past few years.
 
BulletDust said:
Believe me, they do. I've seen many system builders go down in flames as a result of MS spies purchacing PC's and checking the history of the licence.
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good those cheap bastards. if you selling systems as a retailer you HAVE to follow the rules. ms isn't so concerned with one random home user.
 
BulletDust said:
Mustn't be that good if you're not willing to pay full retail. Surely Windows is worth $150.00, just think of the support you'll get. ;)
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The overwhelming majority of Windows users don't buy it directly, it comes with their hardware. And I think that's where Microsoft is much more strict about it, devices that are sold with pirated copies of Windows, not so much pirated copies of Windows themselves.

BulletDust said:
Purchase of dubious licence resellers on forums = Buyer beware. I wouldn't be advising people to do such an activity on a public forum.
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There's plenty of Windows license sales on this forum and the mods don't shut them down.
 
My apologies for derailing this thread so completely lol, but some good points.

I think for the computer I use the most, I will buy the full retailed box version, the others I might try OEM, since those are the ones that will do the least amount of hardware changes, at least nothing beyond HDD/SSD, ODD or even RAM and GPU.
 
Tiberian said:
The sellers here at [H] selling those Windows 7 licenses have what we Americans call "a proven track record" so it's a non-issue, can't speak for how things happen down in Australia or wherever else other people might be, but it's a safe bet to get one from one of the people here at least from the buyer reports I've seen over the past few years.
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A proven track record!

Nice!

Does that mean their products activate? Because activation doesn't mean squat, even for you superior Americans!

As stated, if you're building a PC for yourself and believe that Windows isn't worth $150.00 (don't care about your opinion Heatlesssun), than purchase your licence from anyone you wish. But if you're building a system for someone else, especially someone you don't know, I recommend retail as your little [H]OCP reseller's proven track record won't mean a damn thing to Microsoft - These are not 'excess licences just left over from some rollout'. :ROFLMAO:
 
BulletDust said:
As stated, if you're building a PC for yourself and believe that Windows isn't worth $150.00 (don't care about your opinion Heatlesssun), than purchase your licence from anyone you wish.
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https://hardforum.com/threads/windo...-7-pro-15-00-office-pro-plus-2016-25.1935737/

This has nothing to with your opinion or mine and clearly Kyle & Co. ok it here, so that's the only opinion that matters in this case. And you see these kinds of deals here and lots of other places all of the time. I don't claim to have any idea what's going on with all of them but I have to figure that site owners aren't putting themselves at risk and are vetting this stuff.
 
Tiberian said:
Like I said before, things are different here in America.

<including our superior sarcasm skills> :D
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I couldn't give a stuff re: Your nationality and furthermore...I doubt it.

heatlesssun said:
This has nothing to with your opinion or mine and clearly Kyle & Co. ok it here, so that's the only opinion that matters in this case. And you see these kinds of deals here and lots of other places all of the time. I don't claim to have any idea what's going on with all of them but I have to figure that site owners aren't putting themselves at risk and are vetting this stuff.
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And you honestly believe the purchase of a Windows 10 licence for $17.00 is legit! Suit yourself. :rolleyes:
 
It is, that's the point you keep just purposely ignoring so, as usual, I bid you and your keyboard jockeying adieu once more as yet another thread turns into whatever this one has rapidly turned into. ;)
 
BulletDust said:
And you honestly believe the purchase of a Windows 10 licence for $17.00 is legit! Suit yourself. :rolleyes:
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It's not about what I believe, I'm no expert in grey market software sales. I'm just saying that the mods here and other sites much check this stuff out because I doubt they'd want to take the risk. If you want to argue that point, that's fine, it's got nothing to do with me.
 
Tiberian said:
It is, that's the point you keep just purposely ignoring so, as usual, I bid you and your keyboard jockeying adieu once more as yet another thread turns into whatever this one has rapidly turned into. ;)
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Dear gawd, we have a term for you here in AU. :D
 
heatlesssun said:
It's not about what I believe, I'm no expert in grey market software sales. I'm just saying that the mods here and other sites much check this stuff out because I doubt they'd want to take the risk. If you want to argue that point, that's fine, it's got nothing to do with me.
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Do they?
 
heatlesssun said:
It's not about what I believe, I'm no expert in grey market software sales. I'm just saying that the mods here and other sites much check this stuff out because I doubt they'd want to take the risk. If you want to argue that point, that's fine, it's got nothing to do with me.
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MS isn't coming after [H] for grey market software sales... if the legal system worked like that sites like craigslist wouldn't exist. Unless a site is actively promoting a market with nothing at all legit like say silk road they have nothing to worry about. There is no legal standard for them to vigorously test the claims of everyone placing a free or paid ad. Not that I am judging anyone selling anything... but ya resold windows keys ? I think we all know that isn't a fantastic idea... you might as well just hack the windows activation, cause I am pretty sure MS isn't cool with people buying new machine licences under 20 bucks. :)
 
BulletDust said:
And what about sites like Kinguin, do you suppose those keys are legit?
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Probably not. But slightly more legitimate since they at least send you the COA (or at least a picture of it). You know you are getting a recycled license instead of one from some key gen. Against the licensing agreement?

Also to the guy who's uncle allows him to use the volume license from a university, I hope it's really ok since Microsoft checks activation numbers when they audit.
 
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AltTabbins said:
Probably not. But slightly more legitimate since they at least send you the COA (or at least a picture of it). You know you are getting a recycled license instead of one from some key gen. Against the licensing agreement?

Also to the guy who's uncle allows him to use the volume license from a university, I hope it's really ok since Microsoft checks activation numbers when they audit.
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That COA they send you means very little, there was a system builder here in AU done buying keys of key resellers and they were sending him the COA. Microsoft's reply? Be sure to only purchase off official Microsoft certified resellers.
 
AltTabbins said:
Probably not. But slightly more legitimate since they at least send you the COA (or at least a picture of it). You know you are getting a recycled license instead of one from some key gen. Against the licensing agreement?

Also to the guy who's uncle allows him to use the volume license from a university, I hope it's really ok since Microsoft checks activation numbers when they audit.
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Agreed, I also think it's important that the sellers on [H] will send you the COA (pic of it).

Selling the Win-7 OEM keys from scrapped machines is totally different from somebody selling stolen keys for 2016 Server, Office 2016, etc. for $30.
MS has been paid on the OEM keys and even though it's against MS's license agreement to "re-use" them, I don't think they care much on those.

Selling volume keys or keygen keys MS definitely cares about and will hunt those people down.

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Some goof FUD going on here for sure. Look into the company "Discount Licensing". There are indeed ways to legally transfer and resell just about any type of MS software license. Even large companies on Spiceworks have bought licenses this way and then passed a full Microsoft compliance audit with no problem. They are also a registered MS reseller/partner. Some of yall' simply are spouting off things you have no idea about. Because you can read a license agreement does not mean you have the legal knowledge to truly interpret how that agreement has to work within the laws. Just because they state something in a license agreement does not necessarily mean that its legal. Microsoft nor any other company can write their own laws. Will they do everything they can to prevent it, of course, and they will even resort to scare tactics but they might not have a legal leg to stand on. You can get 100% legitimate and completely legal licenses on the secondary market for far less than you can through normal reseller channels.
 
MixManSC said:
Some goof FUD going on here for sure. Look into the company "Discount Licensing". There are indeed ways to legally transfer and resell just about any type of MS software license. Even large companies on Spiceworks have bought licenses this way and then passed a full Microsoft compliance audit with no problem. They are also a registered MS reseller/partner. Some of yall' simply are spouting off things you have no idea about. Because you can read a license agreement does not mean you have the legal knowledge to truly interpret how that agreement has to work within the laws. Just because they state something in a license agreement does not necessarily mean that its legal. Microsoft nor any other company can write their own laws. Will they do everything they can to prevent it, of course, and they will even resort to scare tactics but they might not have a legal leg to stand on. You can get 100% legitimate and completely legal licenses on the secondary market for far less than you can through normal reseller channels.
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Of course I could just claim that your post is all FUD and that your theory of company discount licensing is unlikely considering the dirt cheap offerings available on [H], they don't get the licenses that cheap.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/03/microsoft_versus_discount_licensing/
 
for the Fall Creator's Update they really should consolidate the Control Panel and Settings...they're redundant in a lot of ways and whatever is missing could easily be placed into Settings
 
polonyc2 said:
for the Fall Creator's Update they really should consolidate the Control Panel and Settings...they're redundant in a lot of ways and whatever is missing could easily be placed into Settings
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Right click on your Windows Desktop > New Folder>

Name the folder this, exactly as shown.

GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}

All settings consolidated in one easy to access place! :woot:
 
after I did a clean install of the Creator's Update I have to admit things are running pretty flawlessly now...everything from internet browsing, to games to 3rd party software is running great...I know MS will once again break things once the Fall Creator's Update hits but I'm enjoying this while it lasts :D
 
what happened to the 'Driver Updates' section in Windows Update?...before you could view your 'Update History' and it would have 3 separate sections- Quality Updates (main Windows patches), Other Updates (Software Removal Tool etc) and Driver Updates (where it would list the video card drivers etc if installed through WU)...I no longer see that Driver Updates section
 
polonyc2 said:
what happened to the 'Driver Updates' section in Windows Update?...before you could view your 'Update History' and it would have 3 separate sections- Quality Updates (main Windows patches), Other Updates (Software Removal Tool etc) and Driver Updates (where it would list the video card drivers etc if installed through WU)...I no longer see that Driver Updates section
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Because the creators update is more about removing as opposed to creating.
 
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