Leaked AMD Ryzen Benchmarks?

When talking about initial profit in the silicon area almost all of it counts towards the R&D budget. AMD needs the continuation of the chips to break the cost of production to see actual profit.

Initial sales are great but the money comes from continued sales.
 
Sure, I have no idea how many it will take to be profitable, but revenue wise it looks to be a massive boost if they sell a million a month.
 
bobzdar said:
$100 a chip is a HUGE margin and likely not that much in actuality. I believe the 1800x has been the hottest preseller (looking at top sellers at Amazon) ahead of the 1700X with the 1700 last, so it's exactly opposite to that. The high end is selling more right now, not less.
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not really, look Intel is getting on average 60% margins right? take i7 line up and factor that in...... AMD is getting no where near 60% either.
 
bobzdar said:
Sure, I have no idea how many it will take to be profitable, but revenue wise it looks to be a massive boost if they sell a million a month.
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Depends if AMD can keep up, their availability has held them back in the past and has hurt them. Even recently with their GPUs so let's hope that isn't so much of an issue now.
 
razor1 said:
not really, look Intel is getting on average 60% margins right? take i7 line up and factor that in...... AMD is getting no where near 60% either.
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On average includes (and is dominated by) the low end stuff sold to OEMs. These are high end parts sold mostly retail, which have much higher margins.

We'll see.
 
The best problem amd can have is a great chip they can't quite meet all of the demand for. Why? Because prices stay healthy. Margins stay healthy, and price to manufacture only go's down over time. (unless there is a materials shortage of course.) As long as they can sustain sales growth and keep a market slathering after their chips they are good.

Of course that will not work in the enterprise market. Either it is present or the enterprise buyer will buy what is present. Price point per. Chip isn't a major issue for systems with 512 gig of expensive ram.
 
Grimlaking said:
The best problem amd can have is a great chip they can't quite meet all of the demand for. Why? Because prices stay healthy. Margins stay healthy, and price to manufacture only go's down over time. (unless there is a materials shortage of course.) As long as they can sustain sales growth and keep a market slathering after their chips they are good.

Of course that will not work in the enterprise market. Either it is present or the enterprise buyer will buy what is present. Price point per. Chip isn't a major issue for systems with 512 gig of expensive ram.
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This is a non-issue. Global Foundry #8 facility is one of the largest in the world. It is located in Saratoga County in upstate New York. It can produce enough wafers for any Ryzen demand as well as Vega and Polaris and the server chips to be released next quarter.
 
mdaniel said:
Another take it with a grain of salt wccftech entry: http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-1700-official-gaming-benchmarks-leak/
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That is 8 core vs 6 core and in my opinion Intel is doing damn well against Ryzen. We are talking about couple FPS difference which can be totally ignored knowing that overclocked 6 [email protected] will easily beat Ryzen. It seems that Kaby Lake is doing fine against 8/16 Core CPU.

I still think that Intel CPU is still better overall but the cost of it is crazy high. Performance and feature wise there is nothing to be impressed by Ryzen but the price of it is just damn tempting.
 
os2wiz said:
This is a non-issue. Global Foundry #8 facility is one of the largest in the world. It is located in Saratoga County in upstate New York. It can produce enough wafers for any Ryzen demand as well as Vega and Polaris and the server chips to be released next quarter.
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GloFo is huge. Designed 10MG water tanks and a 10,000gpm+ pump station for the site. There are thousands employed there, and they plan to keep expanding.
 
Luka said:
That is 8 core vs 6 core and in my opinion Intel is doing damn well against Ryzen. We are talking about couple FPS difference which can be totally ignored knowing that overclocked 6 [email protected] will easily beat Ryzen. It seems that Kaby Lake is doing fine against 8/16 Core CPU.

I still think that Intel CPU is still better overall but the cost of it is crazy high. Performance and feature wise there is nothing to be impressed by Ryzen but the price of it is just damn tempting.
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Can you please give me a link to these overclocked 4.6GHz 6 core i7s that you keep referencing? Apparently they must be VERY common if you keep referencing them.
 
Luka said:
That is 8 core vs 6 core and in my opinion Intel is doing damn well against Ryzen. We are talking about couple FPS difference which can be totally ignored knowing that overclocked 6 [email protected] will easily beat Ryzen. It seems that Kaby Lake is doing fine against 8/16 Core CPU.

I still think that Intel CPU is still better overall but the cost of it is crazy high. Performance and feature wise there is nothing to be impressed by Ryzen but the price of it is just damn tempting.
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I think it is interesting... this is the first time in a LONG LONG TIME that anyone debating the merits between Intel and AMD have said "in my opinion Intel is doing damn well against Ryzen".

That statement and other statements like it are a compelling advertisement for AMD considering previous generations for years have been under performing budget chips. (Outside of server space)
 
exlink said:
Can you please give me a link to these overclocked 4.6GHz 6 core i7s that you keep referencing? Apparently they must be VERY common if you keep referencing them.
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Any i75930k, i7 3930k and i7 5820k and i7 6800k i dealt with was easy to overclock to 4.6Ghz and good AIO cooler setup. Higher than 4.6Ghz is no go, i mean it is possible but requires too much voltage for my liking.

You will need 1.28v or less for 4.6Ghz. My i5930k needed only 1.2v to reach 4.6Ghz.

Xeon 6 core (unlocked) are even better!!!!
 
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Grimlaking said:
I think it is interesting... this is the first time in a LONG LONG TIME that anyone debating the merits between Intel and AMD have said "in my opinion Intel is doing damn well against Ryzen".

That statement and other statements like it are a compelling advertisement for AMD considering previous generations for years have been under performing budget chips. (Outside of server space)
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Core 2 arhitecture is really old and it shows how well Intel made it. Ever since they did incremental upgrades and they have been lazy. If nothing Ryzen release will push Intel to rethink their strategy and release real performance upgrade in order to justify high price for it.
 
Luka said:
Core 2 arhitecture is really old and it shows how well Intel made it. Ever since they did incremental upgrades and they have been lazy. If nothing Ryzen release will push Intel to rethink their strategy and release real performance upgrade in order to justify high price for it.
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Oh I don't doubt that one bit. I hope that AMD can stay competitive beyond one generation. Either way it isn't very impactful to me. My current CPU I've had since early 2011. So considering a 6 year upgrade cycle for CPU I am looking at... lets see.. 2023 before I really get that itch again unless a player in the CPU arena blows the doors off of everyone else before then and I just MUST have it.

I'm not a Intel or AMD fan boy. End of January I was planning an upgrade to a i7 7700. Then this came along at the right time. So I'm going Ryzen because it is the best bang for the buck.

And I am one of those people that think multi-threaded multi core is the wave of the future.
 
Luka said:
Any i75930k, i7 3930k and i7 5820k and i7 6800k i dealt with was easy to overclock to 4.6Ghz and good AIO cooler setup.
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After price cuts, the only chip on your list that can be expected to reach 4.6GHz 24x7 using sub-$120 cooling is the 14nm 6800k. So in order to choose intel one must:

-be ready to spend more on cooling
-waste more energy to run the system
-give up 2 cores 4 threads
-pay a premium for the motherboards
-reinforce a monopoly that has not offered benefits for gamers over the last 10 years.

And all the above risking that you can get a dude and not reach the required 4.6Ghz that Intels needs to beat Ryzen.

Afetr reading this, i am inclined to wait for Vega and build a 200% AMD system, because in the long run competition on both markets are good for the consumer. The arguments in favor of Intel are becoming more and more hollow.
 
I've been on Intel since my old XP3200+ became obsolete, and went from an e8200, to q6600, to 2500k, to my current 2600k. I'm looking to jump to either an AMD 1700 or 1700x, depending upon reviews. Currently on a GTX 960, but waiting for Vega reviews before upgrading my video card...which could be challenged by nVidia releasing an improved GTX 1080 for less money now. I only want to reliably game on 1080p at 144 on ultra settings, so I'll wait and see if AMD can provide for better than the GTX 1080.
 
OrangeKhrush said:
Cinebench is now no longer a good enough benchmark, because AMD does well at it now. Quad channel, like where other than memory benchmarking has that every mattered to anything. Here is the scary thing, AMD produce more efficient bandwidth on the IMC than intel do, AMD gets 90+% maximum bandwidth possible, while Intel only scraps 75%, it is the secret weapon behind 50% of Ryzen's success, the IMC has come from Starwars new hope to Revenge of the Sith levels of epicness.
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http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/first-ryzen-7-1700x-review-finds-its-way-onto-the-web.html

Reality is starting to catch up to the BS.
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Good luck with the IPC too. You can only fool so many with an increased L2.

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Shintai said:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/first-ryzen-7-1700x-review-finds-its-way-onto-the-web.html

Reality is starting to catch up to the BS.
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Is it really? Game performance we are talking a performance premium of what.. 11% between the 7700 and the RC 1700x right?

Yes we know the intel in single threaded apps and games will have an advantage in performance. But when we are splitting hares here.. (and it feels like that to me mind you.) between 124fps and 140fps (at the very highest value) it is what I would consider negligible.

And the memory bandwidth test.. Note the memory speed and memory channel differences. Clock up the memory controller (hope reviews do this.) to get a clock per clock comparison. I think we will have some interesting results. Even if they make AMD look worse it will be interesting.

But thanks for sharing both of the graphs you could find that make intel look good on 17 year old displays. When was the last time you could buy a freaking 1600*900 monitor.. isn't that CRT?
 
Read most of the article, IPC is still low, the only good benchmarks on ryzen are apps that are great with multithreading, site was taken down and its not cached.....
memory is interesting, the rating on the site say 3400, guess they were automatically down clocked.
 
Shintai said:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/first-ryzen-7-1700x-review-finds-its-way-onto-the-web.html

Reality is starting to catch up to the BS.
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Good luck with the IPC too. You can only fool so many with an increased L2.

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Tinfoil hat alert - I signed up just to say this.

You change tune at every available juncture.

For those of us with mortgages we have to buy something that will do an all round job for the best value for money, well that and the fact that I'm looking at buying the new Fireblade SP1 as well and I only have so much money.

At the moment I'll be replacing an i5-2500k with Ryzen, that may change after reading reviews tomorrow but I doubt it, I'll just have to live with losing on some things but gaining on others.
 
Master_shake_ said:
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fucking reality!!!

oh wait. nah that's pretty good.
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I would expect AMD's SMT to pull ahead in that game, but still not that far, as far as overclocking goes, 4.0 ghz was max not sure what cooler was being used, as the website got taken down before I could get that info.

So hmm....
 
They also used a B350 motherboard, and tested things at 1366x768. Yes. Enjoy your "real world" comparisons.
 
lolfail9001 said:
Posting this at this forum actually does your argument 0 favors, because we know best that you are supposed to test CPUs at 640x480.
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See the second part, where I mentioned "real world".

Everyone knows a higher clocked processor will win at low resolutions. I'm interested in seeing what an 8 core chip does against a 4 core for resolutions we will actually be playing at.
 
^^ Exactly original VGA FTW!

I'd prefer games tested at 4K and 1080p. Less than that I'm not sure the relevancy. There are better benchmarks for CPUs.
 
Romeomium said:
See the second part, where I mentioned "real world".
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I have Kyle's VR tests and Digital Foundry for that one. For CPU measurements, i'd rather have the lowest resolution benches instead.
Romeomium said:
Everyone knows a higher clocked processor will win at low resolutions. I'm interested in seeing what an 8 core chip does against a 4 core for resolutions we will actually be playing at.
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If it cannot beat them at 640x480, it cannot beat them anywhere, just tie. Reality of CPU limitations :p
 
Shintai said:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/first-ryzen-7-1700x-review-finds-its-way-onto-the-web.html

Reality is starting to catch up to the BS.
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Good luck with the IPC too. You can only fool so many with an increased L2.

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Hmmmm lets see

Validation Motherboard - check
DDR4 2133 While Intel runs 3200 - check
ES sample - check

Results are right up in the Intel expensive parts range.....

This ____flute is comparing AIDA quad channel setups and expecting it to reveal anything anyone didnt already know.
 
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