AMD Polaris GCN 4.0 Macau China Event

lol just playing the odds, gotta be at least that ;), too early to know what the performance will be we will have a better idea once Polaris is out though.
 
World of Tanks just came out with 9.15 update and with the change came DX 11 for the first time so the engine runs both DX 9 and DX 11 now .. I have had no issue with the change over as I run a 6core Xeon x5660 and an updated(1020/1350) 290x ..

I let the game decide the settings which it picked Max HD (1920 x 1080) and it stays around 120fps on live servers so I don't know why many of you want to thrash AMD drivers and hardware from folk stories you have heard over the years. 290x is as fast as the 390x now because they fixed it to hold the max clocks under heavy gaming.
 
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schizo said:
AMD isn't competing at the high-end or enthusiast right now, but that doesn't mean they're dead. We already know they won Apple's business with Polaris, and they'll be in three console refreshes in the next year! While they aren't doing anything sexy for us PC gamers, AMD is far from out.
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Because Apple's suppliers never go out of business (often because of Apple). Wait... Nevermind...
 
Much like with semicustom chips for consoles, if you can't make money at what you're being offered, you shouldn't have signed on the dotted line. If AMD sold contracts that lost money, that's their fault.
 
razor1 said:
lol just playing the odds, gotta be at least that ;), too early to know what the performance will be we will have a better idea once Polaris is out though.
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I wish they would soft launch on the first especially if they have something good to show us.....IF everyone absolutely knew Polaris 10 will match the 1070 for 50 bucks cheaper price, I think a majority people would highly consider AMD over nvidia this go round. The fact they dont almost worries me....They should can Lisa T. Su regardless.....Im not impressed with her at all
 
They probably would have shown something if it could compete with the 1070, but they also have time for that too since the 1070 isn't going to go on sale till June 10th.

Lisa Su can only do so much, for what its worth under her watch AMD has gotten pretty close to profitability, of course most of that is due to down sizing......
 
So other than a new Radeon logo, does anybody have some leaks from the Press event? Also know about the NDA lifting at the end of June.

I know they usually keep security pretty tight on these things, but that never seems to stop some leaks from happening.
 
looks like the Macau thing there wasn't much talked about...... just NDA signing, food and drinks before Computex.....
 
It's still possible the meeting was just buttering-up, some powerpoint slides, and handing out hardware, and polaris will be hard-launched at Computex in 3 days. Unlikely, certainly, but possible.
 
schizo said:
It's still possible the meeting was just buttering-up, some powerpoint slides, and handing out hardware, and polaris will be hard-launched at Computex in 3 days. Unlikely, certainly, but possible.
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Launch is on 29th of next month or after, whats the use of having an NDA if ya are going to launch before hand :)
 
Post from Ebduncan (think he posts here too). Doesn't say much but ...

[NAG] NDA for AMD's Radeon Graphics Macau event is 29 June 2016 - Page 22

There are quite a few of us at Macau.

Few hundred folks, but it's computex so it's quite busy. The editors day took place today and is still ongoing. (28th) Also I can ensure you that no editor is going to leak any information before the NDA lifts. There are heavy fines, possible jail time (ya it's serious) and it breaks the trust you build up with these companies.

Official announcement is May 31st 10pm EST. NDA expires on the 29th, for some products. Enjoy the wait.
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Honest question, is anyone really excited about these? It's already pretty well known that these aren't the high end products. I wasn't even that thrilled by the 1080. It's looking more and more like I won't have serious upgrade path until the 1080 Ti, whenever that drops.
 
Rizen said:
Honest question, is anyone really excited about these? It's already pretty well known that these aren't the high end products. I wasn't even that thrilled by the 1080. It's looking more and more like I won't have serious upgrade path until the 1080 Ti, whenever that drops.
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There are two camps here.

Camp one: GTX 780/780ti/980/980ti/Titan X or Radeon 290x/390x/Fury users. People in this group aren't going to drop money on an RX 480 no matter how cheap it is. It's a downgrade for most, a side grade for some.

Camp two: GTX 660/760/960, or Radeon 78x0/280/380. If you're in this group, an RX 480 may be appealing, especially if it hits the same $200-$250 price point of most of those cards.

Now, looking at likely hardware sales, which one of those camps serves the bigger market? Price is key. AMD will fail at $299. They will succeed very much at $199-$229. A price point of $249 would be acceptable as well given the node shrink and a likely 8GB of VRAM.

So yes, there are people who will get excited over these products. They're just not the vocal [H] crowd.
 
Rizen said:
Honest question, is anyone really excited about these? It's already pretty well known that these aren't the high end products. I wasn't even that thrilled by the 1080. It's looking more and more like I won't have serious upgrade path until the 1080 Ti, whenever that drops.
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Probably a majority of the general PC gaming audience is excited for these; most people on this forum aren't because they are part of the "enthusiast" niche that are willing to put down $500+ for a card. The $200-$300 price point is the sweet spot for most people and it appears that is exactly where these cards will land.
 
exlink said:
Probably a majority of the general PC gaming audience is excited for these; most people on this forum aren't because they are part of the "enthusiast" niche that are willing to put down $500+ for a card. The $200-$300 price point is the sweet spot for most people and it appears that is exactly where these cards will land.
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I feel like a broken record but if Polaris doesn't give an upgrade path for 390 and 970 owners, it will be viewed as a huge disappointment among all PC gaming communities.
Even though the $200 and below tiers are most popular, those are the silent majority. They buy products, and play games, but they don't participate.

The $300 tier is the most popular for PC hobbyists. So it needs to be AT LEAST 20% faster than the 390/970 @ $300. I don't know what that equates to in the current market. Fury maybe.
 
I expected a significant performance jump going to 14nm. It appears that NVIDIA has been able to achieve that with the 1070 @ $379 as it performs on par with the 980 Ti. If AMD releases essentially the same level of performance as they achieved on 28nm, even at $300, I'm not going to be impressed. I expected more.
 
Agreed, if AMD wants to keep its current customers, they really should have something that current 290(x) / 390(x) / Fury owners would want to upgrade to.

And being quiet and not leaking any real performance info isn't a good sign i'm afraid.
 
lol I think they learned the had way over hyping does more harm than good.....I suspect it will match fury in some and match 390's in some others. Heavy overclocking might reach stock 1070 here and there buts thats all im figuring. Like most have said if it was going to really give 1070 some hard competition they would have intentionally let it leak by now....Doesn't really matter to much to me as long as the price is right im sticking with AMD..If they price it stupid ill just continue to wait lol:)
 
MTDEW said:
Agreed, if AMD wants to keep its current customers, they really should have something that current 290(x) / 390(x) / Fury owners would want to upgrade to.
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That will be Vega, if those users don't jump to NV first.
 
Well depends when Vega actually hits and performance. I think I will wait to see how all things pan out. Plus a few more DX12 games can be very reviewing as well.
 
Looks like some of you clearly missed my point with DX12 Warhammer.

It's not to say Fury X = 1080.

It's to make the point that this site tests very few games. Each title makes a big difference in the outcome and if they are all skewed to one side, NV or AMD, it leads to an obvious conclusion. Currently there's 5 out of 6 games that are sponsored by NV. If they used 5 out of 6 games sponsored by AMD, I would bring up the exact same point.

Example, on TPU, with more games, they find Fury X now = 980Ti at 1440p, and beat it a little at 4K. Yet here on this site, it's the 980Ti in front by a fair margin, why? Cos again, most of the titles skew to NV.

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As it currently stands, there's zero benefit for AMD to send their GPUs to [H] for reviewing. I hope that point is understandable.
 
It makes no sense to review cards using games that most people don't play. [H] uses game that the majority play and hopefully they continue to do so.
 
Maddness said:
It makes no sense to review cards using games that most people don't play. [H] uses game that the majority play and hopefully they continue to do so.
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Yeah, I've always viewed the [H]ard games as the current 'demanding' titles that are popular today.

I'm surprised that Ashes of the Singularity is even entertained by [H]. Its a benchmark with a built-in game.
 
Maddness said:
It makes no sense to review cards using games that most people don't play. [H] uses game that the majority play and hopefully they continue to do so.
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KazeoHin said:
Yeah, I've always viewed the [H]ard games as the current 'demanding' titles that are popular today.

I'm surprised that Ashes of the Singularity is even entertained by [H]. Its a benchmark with a built-in game.
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I don't play any of the games in [H]'s current suite. I like [H] because they test in a way that I prefer. I like TPU because they test a VERY large number of recent titles, which helps to establish an overall pecking order.
 
schizo said:
It's still possible the meeting was just buttering-up, some powerpoint slides, and handing out hardware, and polaris will be hard-launched at Computex in 3 days. Unlikely, certainly, but possible.
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Doubt it, why have a NDA on June 29th if there will be a hard launch at Computex in 3 days.
 
Chimpee said:
Doubt it, why have a NDA on June 29th if there will be a hard launch at Computex in 3 days.
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From memory the photo shared of the program for Macau included discussion on technical features/architecture, hence NDA. Very little else. Ctex release seems to have the same NDA date or we would've already heard about the event..
 
KazeoHin said:
Who said the NDA concludes on June 29th?
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Someone leaked a photo of the NDA signed for Macau which said that date. Original source did take their pics down (I saw them at the source) as well as there are other copies floating around on ]H] etc.
As we have heard nothing from Macau pre-fluff or Ctex release, it's very likely 'the date'..
 
KazeoHin said:
Who said the NDA concludes on June 29th?
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That is certainly, they may have another NDA that precludes the NDA on the 29th, I am just going by what is given to me at the moment.

Edit, Meant to say That is certainly true.
 
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KazeoHin said:
Yeah, I've always viewed the [H]ard games as the current 'demanding' titles that are popular today.

I'm surprised that Ashes of the Singularity is even entertained by [H]. Its a benchmark with a built-in game.
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What's even stranger is that, for some, Ashes of the Singularity is the only relevant benchmark.
 
Maddness said:
It makes no sense to review cards using games that most people don't play. [H] uses game that the majority play and hopefully they continue to do so.
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That argument doesn't hold with Dying light and didn't 1 year ago. For the most part yes they do use the newest games. But you have to take a step back and understand the other point of view. The majority of the games were and are GW titles. Why didn't they have Ryse or Dragons Age being a year ago they were fresh and new. At least Dragons Age was a fair bit bigger in popularity than Dying Light. Anyway, it isn't too hard to see the issues some have and why their argument is valid. I don't really care personally. I just look at how the card handles those games, more in a scientific matter of progress rather than some argument in futility as to who is King of the World. Honestly the biggest difference to the common man between a 980Ti and a FuryX is the name as experience in general is nearly Identical as 3-10 fps means jack.
 
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