Buy second hand on Ebay, the buy/sell forum here or somewhere like /r/hardwareswap on Reddit, or you can wait for December when Ncase have said they'll have new stock.
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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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Buy second hand on Ebay, the buy/sell forum here or somewhere like /r/hardwareswap on Reddit, or you can wait for December when Ncase have said they'll have new stock.
I used a NF-A15 which worked good, a few weeks ago I switched to three NF-P12's (two intakes on the side and one under the C14) and the results are amazing so far!
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How about the noise level for the three p12 setup?
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Thanks.
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Quick update:
I wasn't happy with the noise of the server so I ordered a Noctua NF-A9 92mm PWM Fan for the intake at the bottom. Being a PWM fan, it also allowed me to use the custom fan control profiles in the ASRock mobo's BIOS.
After installation, I found that it wasn't the fan making the noise. It was the HDDs. Even though I had set Win10 to shut the HDDs down after 20m of inactivity, they were still spinning 24/7.
So, after some google searching, I found HDDScan, which allowed me to set the HDDs to spin-down after 30 minutes of inactivity.
What a change! With the BIOS turning the CPU and case fans off when temps are low (at idle) and the HDDs now spinning-down, the case is dead-silent. The PSU fan even stops spinning a low load.
And to top it all off, my server dropped from ~35W of consumption at long idle to ~18W. What a big difference the HDD change makes.
I also had a chance to get my tripod and take better photos. No more potato cam pics!
I wasn't happy with the noise of the server so I ordered a Noctua NF-A9 92mm PWM Fan for the intake at the bottom. Being a PWM fan, it also allowed me to use the custom fan control profiles in the ASRock mobo's BIOS.
After installation, I found that it wasn't the fan making the noise. It was the HDDs. Even though I had set Win10 to shut the HDDs down after 20m of inactivity, they were still spinning 24/7.
So, after some google searching, I found HDDScan, which allowed me to set the HDDs to spin-down after 30 minutes of inactivity.
What a change! With the BIOS turning the CPU and case fans off when temps are low (at idle) and the HDDs now spinning-down, the case is dead-silent. The PSU fan even stops spinning a low load.
And to top it all off, my server dropped from ~35W of consumption at long idle to ~18W. What a big difference the HDD change makes.
I also had a chance to get my tripod and take better photos. No more potato cam pics!
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Either/Or would work great. I run Blue Iris on a I7-4790K with a single 120mm Noctua IPPC fan on the CPU with no issues at all. Unless you're talking 8 camera constantly recording, I don't see a big difference in whatever option you choose.
Yes it does. The revised bracket just added a couple millimeters of extra clearance between the PSU and GPU for cables, and cut away part of the flange to give the angled AC cable some more room. But SFX-L PSUs do indeed work with the older brackets - even with a long GPU - it's just a slightly tighter fit.
If you're not using the front half of the side bracket for anything (drives, radiator, fan), you can also mount an SFX-L PSU to the ATX bracket. The Silverstone SFX-L units, at least, should come with an adapter bracket that will let you do that.
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Can you run two single AIO rads next to each other on the side panel?
Tempted to do 980ti hybrid + 6700k w/H55 (or whatever).
Tempted to do 980ti hybrid + 6700k w/H55 (or whatever).
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And from what I can tell, that is how most people do it.
Don't see why it wouldn't work, you can move the rads apart by a little bit, so if they're not exactly 120mm wide, that doesn't matter.
I would be concerned about the tubing, though, that could be rather tight.
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Good point considering they come off the side of the card.
I am having a hard time debating if I want to do 4690k/970 or 6700k/980ti but that's my problem.
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That too. I was more thinking about the tubing of the rad in front of the PSU. AIOs have rather stiff tubing, so I could imagine that it wouldn't quite fit there. Don't know how many have installed an AIO in that position anyway.
That's the motherboard I'm using but I'm not aware of any low-profile DDR4 available yet.
Using the Noctua NH-U9S my standard height DDR4 fits with plenty of clearance.
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Um, isn't that exactly how it has always worked in the EU? Genuinely asking, I didn't have a single bad component since about 8 years and back then I just sent the RAM module back to the place where I bought it and got a replacement.
No LP or VLP DDR4 sticks listed at the site you posted.
I have their VLP DDR3 in another system and it's great, but I haven't seen them release any (V)LP DDR4 yet.
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It's there, the link just didn't include the filters I used to find it for whatever reason.
Well, it's registered memory, so it may not work with desktop motherboards--do your research before buying. :/
Well, it's registered memory, so it may not work with desktop motherboards--do your research before buying. :/
The retailer has a 1 year obligation to provide support, but after that it's down to the manufacturer for the service life of the device. For example, Intel and Crucial both provide direct support without the retailer ever getting involved (great if you buy something second hand). Given how terrible most retailer tech support it for any issue more complicated than "it's snapped in half", it's always preferable to deal with the manufacturer for anything other than a straight replacement of a DOA part.
If Gigabyte are really washing their hands of support in the EU, I wouldn't touch their products with a bargepole.
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Is LP RAM even a standard? AFAIK anything with a heatspreader no more than 2mm from the top edge of the RAM PCB should qualify as "low profile".
To that extent, there are plenty of " low profile" DDR4 options e.g. Corsair LPX.
The Crucial Ballistix Tactical LP and Sport VLP are certainly exceptions as their actual PCBs are much shorter than those of traditional RAM.
To that extent, there are plenty of " low profile" DDR4 options e.g. Corsair LPX.
The Crucial Ballistix Tactical LP and Sport VLP are certainly exceptions as their actual PCBs are much shorter than those of traditional RAM.
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There's apparently a JEDEC standard, but the reference linked to by wikipedia is only available to registered users.
Edit: The crucial ram appears inline with that whitepaper's specs for vlp dimms, at 18.75mm according to the specs on NewEgg.
Edit: The crucial ram appears inline with that whitepaper's specs for vlp dimms, at 18.75mm according to the specs on NewEgg.
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Doesn't the NH-U9S have no RAM height restrictions due to it fitting completely within in the "all-clear" zone?
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It fits more or less fine. This is my current setup: http://imgur.com/a/eNARG -- it's a 980 Ti Hybrid (DIY version) and an H55 on my 3570K. However, I'm going to be replacing the H55 with an NH-U9S; it might just be my H55 but it starts "clicking" after it's run for a while. It's also fairly tight to install and noisier than I'd like especially with the dual pumps.
Once I have the NH-U9S up and running the Hybrid should be a little easier to deal with since I'll only have one set of tubes... at least that's the hope.
Yup. I thought maybe that wasn't clear to most. Apologies!
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No need to apologize, just wanted to confirm.
That's exactly the case in my situation. The retailer doesnt want to handle the dameged mainboard, and asked me to contact the manufacturer. Then, after 1 week waiting fot answer, Gigabyte answer to ask for the retailer... deadend situation... for 2 weeks old mainboard !!!
Here are the dialog between Gigybyte and I :
Me :
I bought GA-Z170N-WIFI (1.0) motherboard with memory ram Corsair Vengeance LPX - DDR4 - 16 GB : 2 x 8 GB - DIMM 288-PIN - 3200 MHz / PC4-25600 - CL16 - 1.35 V code CMK16GX4M2B3200C16
When i put the 2 sticks of memory the mainboard doesnt boot. When i put only one stick to the 2nd slot, the mainboard doesnt boot. On the first slot, it works with each of the two memory stick.
Is this a dysfonction of the motherboard?
Gigabyte :
Dear Christopher,
Thank you for emailing GIGABYTE.
We are delighted with your interest in our products.
Check CPU socket for bent pins.
If the socket seems to be O,K, return the motherboard to your dealer for further investigation.
Kind regards
Me :
Hi,
I looked at my CPU, and the soket is Ok.
My dealer doesnt cover the mainboard by any guarratee, so I need to ask you to make a direct exchange with your manufacturer guarrantee.
How would you proceed?
Gigabyte :
Dear Christopher,
There is no dircet warranty handling for endusers.
Your dealer has to handle this case of warranty.
Kind regards
GIGABYTE-Team Germany
I posted some pics earlier in this thread. It blocks the one side of the side mounts but not the other, so you can still use the HDD cage.
Wow, that is such bullshit. So you're in Germany? I find it hard to believe there aren't laws that EU retailers have to comply to regarding purchase security for the end consumer. I am just outside EU in Norway, and here the retailers are required by law to handle these kinds of things. Usually, all things commercial here is directly inherited from the EU through trade agreements. I don't know about German law in this regard though, but I find it hard to imagine that your retailer can get away with this.
Anyway this is the usual way things are handled, so gigabyt is not at fault here. Your retailer is. Which retailer is this btw. I have bought computer parts from both Britain, Germany and Denmark before so it would be nice to know who to stay aay from.
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Yeah I'm pretty sure Gigabyte isn't at fault here at all. Your retailer has to take the board back two weeks after purchase NO QUESTIONS ASKED, and that means if you sent them a mail within those two weeks, they have to take it, no matter how long they took to respond.
On top of that, German law dictates that if a product doesn't work properly in the first 6 months after purchase, it is assumed that it was broken on arrival, except when the retailer can prove otherwise (which they can't in this case). After that, if the product brakes within 24 months of purchase, the consumer has to prove that they didn't break the device. If they can do so (which they usually can't), the retailer will also have to refund or replace it.
This is called Gewährleistung, called warranty in english, and it is required by law. If your retailer doesn't comply with this, you can take them to court and if you documented your writing with them will 100% win.
The retailer is the one who has to handle this, NOT the manufacturer!
There is also the Garantie or guarantee in english, which is a promise by the manufacturer that a product will work over a specific time. It isn't required that the manufacturer makes this promise, but if they do it is not replacing or shortening the warranty in any way.
If the manufacturer doesn't make this promise, they are not responsible for RMA requests from the customer.
Try to deal with this issue with your retailer, call them, don't just mail them! Mails are easy to ignore, if you can get someone on the phone, especially if it's a smaller retailer, you're in a way better position.
If that doesn't help, google "c't vorsicht kunde". The c't magazine has a section where they describe cases like yours and try to get an official statement from the company, something that motivates them to immediately get back to you, apologise profusely and handle your request in no time. Don't be to quick with that option, though, it should be your last resort before legal action.
Yes, but I rejected it on the grounds that 1) it would reduce panel rigidity and increase the likelihood of warping, and 2) it's ugly.
Sure. You can use the included plastic-frame filters with 120mm fans mounted to the bottom, or Demciflex offers some filters that will work too. Note that only the 120mm square Demciflex filters with the notched out corners were designed (by me) to work with different fan setups; the larger side/top/bottom filters that they have were designed by someone else, and I can't speak to how well they fit.
Sorry to sound daft but which side are you talking about? I'm assuming from what you are saying is that I can only use one 3.5" drive in the HDD cage, right??
I am in Switzerland, and unfortunately for me, there is no law protecting the customer in Switzerland. Retailer can sell material without giving any direct guarantee, so we have to handle with manufacturer. Usualy, manufacturer applies direct RMA and I never had any trouble with that. I tried RMA with Canon, Onkyo, Philips, Asus, and all the time manufacturer was able ti deal with enduser.
For me, I smells like the end with Gigabyte.