Samsung Galaxy S6

If TouchWiz is garbage I'll just load a custom ROM when they start coming out.

One thing I noticed about the S6 is that storage speeds have been massively improved. This should make a huge difference in phone responsiveness, especially over time as you add more apps etc.

Look at the random read figures - destroys the competition!

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x3sphere said:
If TouchWiz is garbage I'll just load a custom ROM when they start coming out.

One thing I noticed about the S6 is that storage speeds have been massively improved. This should make a huge difference in phone responsiveness, especially over time as you add more apps etc.

Look at the random read figures - destroys the competition!
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looking at this graph, i think Samsung should have made 64GB base for S6 and S6 Edge
 
Came across an interesting article that covers the construction and materials used for the S6 series.

http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-explains-galaxy-s6-edge-metal-glass-592800/

Curious about the material aspect was able to dig up the following info regarding Aluminum 6013 used for S6 series, Aluminum 6061 for other Android devices but couldn't find specs for Aluminum 6003 used in iPhone 6 series except for a bunch of links to Chinese sources and reference to bleachers.

yield strength- stress before it starts becoming damaged
tensile strength - stress before it breaks

Aluminum 6013
https://www.alcoa.com/mill_products/catalog/pdf/alloy6013techsheet.pdf
Alloy 6013 is a new medium strength aerospace alloy that provides improved corrosion resistance
and formability for use in aerospace applications including primary aircraft structures.
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Yield Strength 46 ksi, 317 MPa
Tensile Strength 52 ksi, 359 MPa

Aluminum 6061
http://www.alcoa.com/mill_products/catalog/pdf/alcoa_insert_5052and6061_final.pdf
Material strength, attractive finish and anodizing are all priorities for aluminum
in electronics. Alcoa’s 5052 alloy achieves both and is the preferred choice in
the market for consumer electronics casings. It’s ideal for larger electronics
like notebook computers and televisions. Alternatively, when strength and
mechanical performance is a priority for your product, 6061 excels in both and is
a outstanding solution for handheld devices and mobile phones.
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Yield Strength 22 - 42 ksi, 152 - 290 MPa
Tensile Strength 37 - 50 ksi, 255 - 345 MPa

Aluminum 6003
http://www.hooverfence.com/sports/benches-bleachers/bleachers.htm
Seat Planks - 10'W aluminum 6003-T6 alloy, with 204R1 anodized finish. Features a ribbed non-slip surface, and minimum .078" wall thickness
Foot Planks - Mill finished aluminum 6003-T6 alloy. Features a ribbed non-slip surface, and minimum .078" wall thickness
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Yield Strength ?
Tensile Strength ?

Very cool structural analysis software. Companies should hire FEA engineers to do mechanical modeling to prevent issues in the field.

http://www.ansys.com/Products/Simulation+Technology/Structural+Analysis

http://youtu.be/h6Q8TCv1ARI
 
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CHANG3D said:
LOL! mi7chy, suddenly you like aluminium now?!?
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Reading comprehension is key. What I said earlier in the thread.

Not into malleable aluminum. Should've gone with space age material like nanotube, carbon fiber, etc.
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Just because one doesn't care for it doesn't mean he shouldn't be informed about it plus it's not like we have a choice. While it's not space age like carbon fiber used in Boeing Dreamliner 787 at least it's aircraft quality and not mass produced bleacher aluminum. Just like assuming all mobile storage IO are equivalent but look at HTC at the bottom of the list.

Hopefully, Aluminum 6013 is resistant to corrosion like it claims from bodily contact:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1843244

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mi7chy said:
Reading comprehension is key. What I said earlier in the thread.



Just because one doesn't care for it doesn't mean he shouldn't be informed about it plus it's not like we have a choice. While it's not space age like carbon fiber used in Boeing Dreamliner 787 at least it's aircraft quality and not mass produced bleacher aluminum. Just like assuming all mobile storage IO are equivalent but look at HTC at the bottom of the list.

Hopefully, Aluminum 6013 is resistant to corrosion like it claims from bodily contact:
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Had multiple MacBook and used daily for years from 2009-2011, not one of them got this problem.

Heck, most of my phone are aluminum body, and I sweat all the time, none of them are like that either.

If this is truly a problem, its already known all over the place.
 
Apple aluminum corrosion and pitting are a lot more common than you claim and has been an issue as far back as 2006 if not earlier. It just doesn't get a lot of exposure because:

- people are clueless that it's corrosion

- Apple takes advantage of customers and blames it on liquid damage
When I logged on to My Support Profile Page, I saw that theres a Case with the title 'Something may have been spilled on or around the unit'.
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- pretend it's not an issue and live with it

- cover it up with plastic

- if you happen to get lucky and get it replaced by Apple the corrosion returns

Just Google for "macbook palmrest black spots or pits".

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The fact that you are only digging up years old posts only further solidifies this isn't a big issue. Lots of people and companies are using Mac laptops and their simply isn't a big outrage over aluminum corrosion

And who the hell rests their wrist on the edge of a laptop like that anyway...
 
Reading comprehension is key. Look at link in post #530 that's dated 2/2015. It's been an issue every year since at least 2006 to 2015.
 
Nice to see this thread being trolled again by the same user who needs to drag his hate of Apple into every single thread.


The edge does seem to look a bit better from videos I saw, but I'll have to hold it before I decide whether it's more useful or not. Any word on when review units are shipping out?
 
xIronCrossx said:
Nice to see this thread being trolled again by the same user who needs to drag his hate of Apple into every single thread
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Double-side glass for Apple - extremely stupid. Double-side glass for Samsung - beautiful, and take a look at how strong the aluminium is! I've never complained about double-sided glass (at least to his degree), using aluminium like in "beer cans," and not having removable batteries or microSD cards. Now, he's changed his mind and tells us we misunderstood him? Either stay consistent or just admit you've changed your mind.

His current complaint is like saying a Rolls Royce has poor craftsmanship due to the car getting dented and scratched by a shopping cart. Oh, noes, car analogies...
 
xIronCrossx said:
Nice to see this thread being trolled again by the same user who needs to drag his hate of Apple into every single thread.

The edge does seem to look a bit better from videos I saw, but I'll have to hold it before I decide whether it's more useful or not. Any word on when review units are shipping out?
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If history is any indication, you'll probably see reviews pop up on or shortly before the April 10th release date -- the bigger media outlets tend to get devices a week or two before launch.
 
If you don't want to participate in an intelligent discussion then feel free to leave. That blind mentality and sweeping things you don't want to hear under the rug is the issue with the media. They blindly hype up mass produced aluminum while ignoring its issues but put down composites that are immune to those issues. This is a technical site after all so comparing materials and pushing for better is fair game. There was a lot of resistance, too, with educating people about the 1GB DRAM Safari reload issue but nobody disagrees now and even Apple gave in with 2GB iPad Air 2 and soon-to-be 2GB iPhone 6S.
 
mi7chy said:
If you don't want to participate in an intelligent discussion then feel free to leave. That blind mentality and sweeping things you don't want to hear under the rug is the issue with the media. They blindly hype up mass produced aluminum while ignoring its issues but put down composites that are immune to those issues. This is a technical site after all so comparing materials and pushing for better is fair game. There was a lot of resistance, too, with educating people about the 1GB DRAM Safari reload issue but nobody disagrees now and even Apple gave in with 2GB iPad Air 2 and soon-to-be 2GB iPhone 6S.
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Here's the thing: intelligent discussion means understanding things in context, rather than blowing things out of proportion to fit a preconceived opinion (in this case, "Apple must die, all hail Samsung").

For example, aluminum. Are there flaws that come with choosing aluminum? Yes. Are they a bane on the tech world, causing iPhone and Mac owners no end of grief? Absolutely not. Posting links to individual reports won't change the reality that most owners don't see those issues. The same thing is true with Samsung's decision to use glass on the back of the GS6. It's going to make the phone easier to break, and relatively slippery -- you will see photos of cracked GS6 backs. But it's far from the end of the world, and it's arguably worth the tradeoff.
 
CHANG3D said:
Double-side glass for Apple - extremely stupid. Double-side glass for Samsung - beautiful....
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Not coming to his defense.... BUT those two things CAN abide together in the same sentence. Just because something is stupid and can be easily broken(been there, done that on my 4s) doesn't mean it isn't pretty.
 
The aluminum used in Apple products is made in China I heard.

Here's hoping that Samsung sticks to its words and uses POSCO's Korea manufactured aluminum.
 
Intelligent discussion would be everyone having knowledge of what they are talking about. You've mentioned previously that apple uses aluminum from "recycled cans" yet said you have no idea what kind of aluminum they actually use in this very thread. You also seem to not understand how chemicals affect aluminum and how even something like galvanized steel can potentially rust(oxidize). Instead of yelling "screw apple" at every turn and mentioning forum posts that represent a small minority, it would be nice to have a real conversation. There was a galaxy s5 that had its battery burn up in someones bed, am I going around yelling Samsung quality is shit and they need to get better quality batteries? No because I understand that not everything always works exactly how you want it to. Certain conditions can cause unexpected behavior.

Anyways, that was my attempt at a discussion that doesn't involve bashing things that I have zero experience with. Hopefully this thread can go back to its original topic (the S6) without being derailed.
 
The S6 looks like an iPhone 4s and 6 got drunk, hopped in bed, screwed all night, then popped out a baby hybrid 9 months later.
 
xIronCrossx said:
Intelligent discussion would be everyone having knowledge of what they are talking about. You've mentioned previously that apple uses aluminum from "recycled cans" yet said you have no idea what kind of aluminum they actually use in this very thread. You also seem to not understand how chemicals affect aluminum and how even something like galvanized steel can potentially rust(oxidize). Instead of yelling "screw apple" at every turn and mentioning forum posts that represent a small minority, it would be nice to have a real conversation. There was a galaxy s5 that had its battery burn up in someones bed, am I going around yelling Samsung quality is shit and they need to get better quality batteries? No because I understand that not everything always works exactly how you want it to. Certain conditions can cause unexpected behavior.

Anyways, that was my attempt at a discussion that doesn't involve bashing things that I have zero experience with. Hopefully this thread can go back to its original topic (the S6) without being derailed.
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Talk about intelligent conversation... he hates on HTC and TSMC because Taiwan is communist!!! He also still says Foxconn/Honhai isn't an electronic component manufacturer!!! He talks about Apple's fingerprint security being awful when the same exact "hack" could be used on Samsung's phones! He wants an intelligent conversation that doesn't deal with reality or facts (aka TTL). Blowing things out of proportion, not using facts and outright lying, and using stupid ass analogies that makes zero sense are his level of intelligence. He should get a job at right wing radio...
 
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Tyler-Durden said:
The S6 looks like an iPhone 4s and 6 got drunk, hopped in bed, screwed all night, then popped out a baby hybrid 9 months later.
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What makes you think they screwed all night??? I think it's more a two minute job in the broom closet.
 
CHANG3D said:
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Talk about intelligent conversation... he hates on HTC and TSMC because Taiwan is communist!!! He also still says Foxconn/Honhai isn't an electronic component manufacturer!!! He talks about Apple's fingerprint security being awful when the same exact "hack" could be used on Samsung's phones! He wants an intelligent conversation that doesn't deal with reality or facts (aka TTL). Blowing things out of proportion, not using facts and outright lying, and using stupid ass analogies that makes zero sense are his level of intelligence. He should get at right wing radio...
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Now, now boys, play nice. We don't want you guys getting banned again for pissing on each other too much.

For every Samsung ballwasher we have plenty of peeps here who will try to take a dump on anything Samsung touches (*cough* Skripta). It's all part of the rich tapestry. Dissenting opinions are the lifeblood are these boards.

I just want a nice phone. It might be the S6 or it might not. Let the jury deliberate......
 
Having an intelligent discussion is understanding the difference in materials and components since they're not all the same. Knowing that some companies publicly specify what they use while others like Apple don't want you to know so that they're not liable when they switch for mass produced corrosion prone Aluminum 6003, cheap TLC NAND, lower quality display that suffers from ghosting, use mass produced shatter prone glass instead of Corning Gorilla Glass 4, etc. for higher profit.

Pro-sumer level manual controls such as the ability to focus and meter separately on different areas might finally allow me to leave behind my dedicated camera.

http://phandroid.com/2015/03/05/galaxy-s6-camera-pro-mode/
 
mi7chy said:
Having an intelligent discussion is understanding the difference in materials and components since they're not all the same. Knowing that some companies publicly specify what they use while others like Apple don't want you to know so that they're not liable when they switch for mass produced corrosion prone Aluminum 6003, cheap TLC NAND, lower quality display that suffers from ghosting, use mass produced shatter prone glass instead of Corning Gorilla Glass 4, etc. for higher profit.

Pro-sumer level manual controls such as the ability to focus and meter separately on different areas might finally allow me to leave behind my dedicated camera.

http://phandroid.com/2015/03/05/galaxy-s6-camera-pro-mode/
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Please stop being willfully obtuse. The point is that, as much as you shriek and scream about these being world-ending flaws that will surely wreck Apple... well, they're not.

Also: Gorilla Glass 4 wasn't even announced when Apple was ready to unveil the iPhone 6 (it wasn't even mentioned until November). How could Apple cheap out by using a product that didn't exist yet? Oh, right, it wasn't -- you're just lying. If you release a product significantly later, you get access to new materials. Samsung is releasing the GS6 seven months after the iPhone 6, so I'd hope that it would use the latest materials available.
 
Johnny78 said:
What makes you think they screwed all night??? I think it's more a two minute job in the broom closet.
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Maybe the 4s and 6 developed a love connection and wanted their phone sex to last all night.

"Love connection"

"Phone sex"

HA! I kill myself!!! I should write for Jimmy Fallon. :p
 
QwertyJuan said:
Speak for yourself... this forum is a much better place without either of them.
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+1

Now on topic, glass backs. Does anyone think this phone won't be plagued like the iPhone S4 or nexus 4 of cracking/shattering?

My initial assumption is, yes it will be as bad. Will the extra layer protection of gorilla glass prevent it from splintering? My initial assumption is yes it will and while it will look bad it will remain functional.
 
mi7chy said:
Having an intelligent discussion is understanding the difference in materials and components since they're not all the same. Knowing that some companies publicly specify what they use while others like Apple don't want you to know so that they're not liable when they switch for mass produced corrosion prone Aluminum 6003, cheap TLC NAND, lower quality display that suffers from ghosting, use mass produced shatter prone glass instead of Corning Gorilla Glass 4, etc. for higher profit.

Pro-sumer level manual controls such as the ability to focus and meter separately on different areas might finally allow me to leave behind my dedicated camera.

http://phandroid.com/2015/03/05/galaxy-s6-camera-pro-mode/
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Complaining about the glass on the iphone (which is widely believed to be Gorilla Glass 3) and praising the glass used on S6 (which is Gorilla Glass 4) is a bit disingenuous dont you think? GG3 was the best available to Apple at the time.
 
Trimlock said:
+1

Now on topic, glass backs. Does anyone think this phone won't be plagued like the iPhone S4 or nexus 4 of cracking/shattering?

My initial assumption is, yes it will be as bad. Will the extra layer protection of gorilla glass prevent it from splintering? My initial assumption is yes it will and while it will look bad it will remain functional.
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My guess? It's going to be pretty... but it's going to be fragile. The GG4 "might" be slightly stronger... but in the end, if it gets dropped on pavement (like my 4s was back in the day) it's going to splinter.
 
You can use the built in 'show pointer location' in developer options. My phones do this too even one from 2010 so wouldn't doubt it's common across other phones but hasn't affected usability. Sounds like TTL fud because there's nothing to fix.
 
CHANG3D said:
Looks like a hardware issue for the S6 has been found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVP8buJ_rbQ

Hope Samsung fixes this soon.
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Right from the Galaxy S6 and S6 Edge manual:

"The device may not recognise touch inputs close to the edges of the screen, which are outside of the touch input area."

So it's not a problem.

On the other hand, Apple iPhones are notoriously known for having poor touch input.

http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-outpaces-iphone-5s-5c-in-touch-accuracy/

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PeeWeePee said:
correct me if i'm wrong but all recent samsung phones are like this and it doesn't interfere with daily use
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Wow. . That's crazy. And here I am testing this on my phones, and this wasn't a problem on any of my devices.
 
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