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Totally out of stock now, and $750.
Personally, I think this is the reason they are waiting to release the Surface Pro:I will definitely be buying a Windows Pro tablet. I tried the Surface and I love the design, but Windows RT is just too limited. Since they are waiting so long to release the Pro, I'm going to wait until next year and get a Haswell varient though. I think the power changes and better IGP will be a must have on a tablet device.
Just FYI The latest firmware update for Windows RT contained some pretty impressive performance increases. (For my Surface) All my apps open about 2-3 seconds quicker, the device reboots quicker as well. Multi-tasking has been improved and the dragging UI to click apps to the side while others run has been much improved. This also fixed a weird audio stuttering issue with Xbox music for me but it appears others still have the issue.
These updates were also applied to other RT devices and these are pretty impressive results from the first round of patches. I look forward to seeing where Microsoft can further improve Windows RT.
Microsoft Surface RT may only achieve 60% of forecasted sales. http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20121112PD219.html
The sources believe that notebook vendors' Windows 8-based tablets will benefit from the Surface RT's weaker-than-expected sales as their products will face one less competitor in the Windows-based tablet market.
That's with the keyboard at that price, the tablet only is still in stock for $650.
Check Staples. Just picked one up @ the local store for $599. No keyboards in stock.
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I think these W8 Tablets Coming out recently is the true idealization or what the ipad and android tablets try to be but fail.
circuitcity is selling the acer w510 on amazon. 64gb for $599 + shipping. says only 12 left.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009P7JIZ2/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=#productPromotions
I had no idea Acer had this out. I was going to hold out for the Vivotab TF810 from Asus but the price point is $200 more.
Not sure what to do now. Really ready to jump on any Windows 8 / Atom tablet.
Are there anything planned in NExus 7 price range for Win8 RT tablets? Mother wants a tablet for XChristmas, and after I let her play with some different devices, she likes the Windows tiles easiest for her to use (and she is computer illiterate). So, something in range of $300, 7inches screen without bells and whistles running on RT would be best
Are there anything planned in NExus 7 price range for Win8 RT tablets? Mother wants a tablet for XChristmas, and after I let her play with some different devices, she likes the Windows tiles easiest for her to use (and she is computer illiterate). So, something in range of $300, 7inches screen without bells and whistles running on RT would be best
anyone know how much better the i3 is compared to atom clovertrail? I notice i3 tablets with 4gb of ram and intel 4000 graphics are at the $800 mark, wonder how long it'll take for them to reach $600.
Ever used a netbook? That's the Atom performance right there. Clovertrail isn't any better.
I have Windows 8 installed on an HP Slate 500 and an Asus Eee PC 1000H and I have the Ativ 500. The difference in real world performance of the Ativ the other two devices is like night and day. It's beyond obvious. Synthetic benchmarks are not telling the story here and in a place like this form where reviews of GPUs eschew synthetic benchmarks this point should be understood.
Ask other people that have actually used older Atoms with Windows 8 and have a Clover Trail device and most are going to tell you the same thing I believe.
It's optimized for Win8's ecosystem so it thrives in typical Metro usage. You can't compare an Atom D525 netbook chip to the new Clover Trail under the same circumstances when the firmware, drivers and OS support is nowhere near the same. I've been telling you this for months yet you keep blabbering on about the "feel" of it while ignoring WHY it performs better.
So let's finally get it straight so you can keep quiet and point to this thread (and my other one) when someone asks just how Clover Trail will perform.
- Under Win8, and Metro and MS applications specifically, the new Clover Trail chips should outperform the old netbook Atoms. Drivers and OS support mean a whole lot here. For example, Bulldozer is an absolute dog in the win7 ecosystem but it performs much better under Linux using AMD's GCC. That's the best analogy I can give you as to why you "feel" it performing better.
- As soon as you stray outside of Metro and use typical desktop x86 applications and non-MS software, you're looking at the same performance that the old netbook D525 Atom gave you but with a better GPU.
Heatless, stick to what you're good at. As soon as you stray and poke your head into hardware related matters it shows you've got a lot of reading to do.
Heatless, stick to what you're good at. As soon as you stray and poke your head into hardware related matters it shows you've got a lot of reading to do.
LOL! You don't even have this hardware and why you feel so compelled to talk about a device that you've not used and keep arguing with someone that has is odd, especially since what I am saying is easily verifiable from others that have this device and have compared it to older Atoms.
Even on the desktop with non-MS software (not sure why that would matter) with Photoshop and Chrome, the Ativ 500 performs much better than the older Atom devices I have. Mutltitasking is much smoother, working on the desktop at 1920x1200 is pleasant for web browsing, office and even 1080P video playback though it's not entirely silky smooth.
I never claimed it was a speed demon, the old Core i5 Series 7 Slate I have is much faster, but it is a bit heavier and it has a fan and generates noise and heat. The Ativ 500 is fanless, virtually no heat, that's something that these benchmarks aren't saying and that in combination with the long battery life is why a person might be interested in this device.
I think people should buy the tablet/hybrid that is going to give them the performance they're looking for. What I don't like is heatless spreading FUD regarding its actual performance because he's got personal endeavors and his own (now battered) reputation at stake.
An Atom is still an Atom and it'll perform only slightly better in Metro than would the older netbook Atom. If you didn't like the old Atoms performance in your typical x86 applications then you aren't going to like the new one either and your best bet is buying Haswell, Ivy, or Kabini with a *maybe* on Temash.
Form factor should be obvious and as should the price. My point was regarding performance, which is something that can be tested rather than relying on your first hand and extremely biased opinion.
You can't test real world performance solely with synthetic benchmarks. You never have addressed the point that what I have been saying about this device can be verified by others that have it. You can't call multiple people's opinion biased and not be biased yourself. And again, you don't have the hardware, you're not even in a position to be able to call anyone's experience biased here.
Yes, you can. The degree of relevance to typical user experiences is contingent on what is tested.You can't test real world performance solely with synthetic benchmarks.