Diablo 3 Discussion Thread

TwistedAegis said:
Why does it seem game latency has gotten worse rather than better over time?

I miss playing CS on our clan pub server in San Jose...with 9 ping. LPBs ftw. :D

And as for the game refunds...if the game isn't working for you, or the lag is unbearable, fine, get your refund. But if you're playing it full on for 29 days with 5 different toons and 40+ hours into it - you've gotten your moneys worth and are gaming the system.
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Socialism.
 
cageymaru said:
For me if I purchase your game at $1, $60, or $100 and you promise server access and don't deliver then I deserve a refund as you didn't meet your commitment. Same as if I bought a tuxedo; I'd expect it to have pants to go with the top or it's not a tuxedo. Same with server access.

My AH experience is a mixed bag. Sometimes it's ok as in it takes 30 secs for each purchase to go through on a good day. On a bad day all it does is spam error 37017 and other shit back to me. I used to have them on a notepad file but I deleted it when I gave up on the game.

My BF3 ping is what I said it was. Even when I played WoW I could tell the difference between 30ms, 50ms, or 200ms if by only by the amount of time it took for me to cast a spell on my warlock. The damage meter told the story also as my damage potential would go down if I was a little laggy.

So you honestly can't tell the difference in pings when you play online games? I find that pretty amazing in it's self. I don't say that to be mean at all. I honestly am flabbergasted by this statement.
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Then get your money back. I just don't believe half of people's experiences. I have never ever had issues with the AH after the first week. It was shitty for that week like you described.

And yes I can tell what lag is. My point is with a lag at 50 ms vs 100 ms or 150 ms I can't honestly say that it was lagged that killed me. In fact at any one time when the game skips if I can see the lag meter in that time usually the lag has changed to a point where it is 500 or 700 and when that happens it sucks, but that rarely happens.

People aren't getting 25 MS. Just the point of leaving your computer, routing through a shitty router, to the modem and back adds more MS than 25 for about 90 percent of the people out there gaming.

I am flabbergasted that you are having so many lag issues while playing other games like a rock star.
 
TwistedAegis said:
Why does it seem game latency has gotten worse rather than better over time?

I miss playing CS on our clan pub server in San Jose...with 9 ping. LPBs ftw. :D

And as for the game refunds...if the game isn't working for you, or the lag is unbearable, fine, get your refund. But if you're playing it full on for 29 days with 5 different toons and 40+ hours into it - you've gotten your moneys worth and are gaming the system.
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I noticed, especially yesterday, that my rubberbanding and hit lag was worse than normal.
 
I knew there wouldn't be hardly any customization beyond weapon gear. I would be most ok with this if the Wizards Ice and Arcane weren't exactly the same. A beam of energy that shoots strait in front of you.

They could of just had arcane and had a rune that makes it Ice Arcane. Then added a legitimate ice or fire tree. Good example of an Ice Attack is the Archers Ice elemental arrow thats a bad ass Ice attack.

2 Normal Lightning attacks
1 Normal Sword attack
1 Normal arcane attack

1 Strong Ice beam attack
3 Strong Arcane beam, ball, and Stupid arcane arrow shooting thing


This should have more diversity like adding a fire attack or something.
 
Serpent said:
Well, if you guys want to ball bust Blizzard/Activision, cap a screenshot and blur out any relevant info and post it online!

EDIT: Relevant being relevant to you. Not that I really approve of you getting a refund for the game, as D3 while not the game I or you expected, it was not absolutely horrible enough to really justify a refund unless you literally could not play due to their DRM. But still, that's horrible customer service. Seriously? "We can't get to it, so we'll just throw it away?"
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Well, I didn't put that many hours into it before I got bored of it. But more or less, their EULA says that I can get a refund within 30 days, so I decided to exercise that aspect of the EULA. The game just isn't what I hoped it would be.
 
roaf85 said:
Games aren't an investment. You know what is an investment? My fucking lawnmower or my car.
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Your car is not an investment. Not unless it's a classic that's several decades old and in immaculate condition, anyway.
 
Took me less than 24 hours for them to respond and issue the refund. Such a disappointing game. They should call it "Diablo Auction House Tycoon 3". Get your refunds before they close the hole.
 
night_2004 said:
It might be in bad taste to "circle day 29" but Blizzard offers a blanket 30 day return policy. Not a policy of "no returns if you play more than X hours." How long would it take someone to build up that library of characters?

As for how long someone can play a game for that long without hating it? At least with Civ 5 I played a good 40-80 hours over a few months and experimented with different settings and maps before coming to the conclusion that the game just sucked and no amount of tinkering with it could save it. Different genre but you get the point.

I'm not going to make excuses for the guy but I could see someone either trying a few different builds before giving up. That or maybe someone got burned by error 37 one too many times.
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you hit the nail on the head.. I've been trying to find a setup I like. Wizard at a low level I really hate but might like it later on. the DH most of that was just shoot, retreat, shoot. I've been liking the monk a decent amount but sounds like the second I hit inferno I'm going to despise him.

WD I already know is a joke in this game.

Right now I'm just going to get my monk into inferno and probably quit. I haven't felt like playing my DH because its just not that fun.

The servers are the biggest issue for me. Even the days I've been on at 6AMEST I've had tons of rubberbanding. I'm more ok with some lag say saturday night but on a WEEKDAY and I got an hour to play in the morning and its happening?

I can buy 1 or TWO games a year. If I'm already bored with the game a week in then there's something wrong. I am the type to put tons of time into a SINGLE game. I've waiting a VERY long time for this game and its an absolute joke how bad this turned out. I've been trying my best to figure out a reason to keep this game I really am. If the game is disappointing and they offer me my money back of course I'll take it back! I'm sure they'll just get my money again when they put out an expansion and improve the game.
 
Daggah said:
Your car is not an investment. Not unless it's a classic that's several decades old and in immaculate condition, anyway.
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My car is not an appreciating asset. It is an investment in the sense that I am buying into something for the long haul. Video games not so much.
 
Heh...I forgot about the WD. Don't think any of my friends even play one...are they just not fun, or not viable?
 
Not sure what region you guys play on but the number of times I 'lagged' on the America servers is very low. Last night was the 2nd serious lag spike I have experienced, with the other on release day. Last night lag spike lasted for a few minutes and reoccurred 1-2 more times and the rest of the night was fine. There has been a few times where I had the rubber band effect but happens so infrequent I would be insane to bitch about it. Sucks if you guys are experiencing lag but for me the lag is very minor.

Lowest ping I have had was 50ms, average is about 70-120ms and bad days is 200-250ms which is still playable.
 
WarriorX said:
Not sure what region you guys play on but the number of times I 'lagged' on the America servers is very low. Last night was the 2nd serious lag spike I have experienced, with the other on release day. Last night lag spike lasted for a few minutes and reoccurred 1-2 more times and the rest of the night was fine. There has been a few times where I had the rubber band effect but happens so infrequent I would be insane to bitch about it. Sucks if you guys are experiencing lag but for me the lag is very minor.

Lowest ping I have had was 50ms, average is about 70-120ms and bad days is 200-250ms which is still playable.
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Since I only played single player and was experienceing some lag, I'd say that's unacceptable. "Single Player" and "Lag" don't even belong in the same hemisphere.
 
WarriorX said:
Not sure what region you guys play on but the number of times I 'lagged' on the America servers is very low. Last night was the 2nd serious lag spike I have experienced, with the other on release day. Last night lag spike lasted for a few minutes and reoccurred 1-2 more times and the rest of the night was fine. There has been a few times where I had the rubber band effect but happens so infrequent I would be insane to bitch about it. Sucks if you guys are experiencing lag but for me the lag is very minor.

Lowest ping I have had was 50ms, average is about 70-120ms and bad days is 200-250ms which is still playable.
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The problem is that lag can be introduced just about anywhere between someones house and the servers.
 
officer921 said:
Since I only played single player and was experienceing some lag, I'd say that's unacceptable. "Single Player" and "Lag" don't even belong in the same hemisphere.
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I've primarily been playing single player as well. both monk and DH with my lil helper and nobody else. I rubberband quite often and I'm on 16Mb cable thats pretty solid everywhere else I play.
 
Ok, level 53 Monk rolling into Act 2 Hell, hope i can keep the momentum.

As of now, 29khp, 3k ac, 4.7k dps, ~100 resists. Resists suck, hope the gear kicks up soon.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
Ok, level 53 Monk rolling into Act 2 Hell, hope i can keep the momentum.

As of now, 29khp, 3k ac, 4.7k dps, ~100 resists. Resists suck, hope the gear kicks up soon.
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Go to the AH and look for level reduced items (there are level 60ish items that can be used at 53). Don't expect them to drop.
 
kcthebrewer said:
Go to the AH and look for level reduced items (there are level 60ish items that can be used at 53). Don't expect them to drop.
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At the moment, I'm not terribly worried. I'm actually smashing faces with those stats. I can imagine a few more levels in and that will not be the case.
 
Found a bug in act 3 where if you didn't reach the checkpoint after the bridge, you start at the last checkpoint but can't talk to Tyreal, and can't progress. Gotta restart the whole thing.
 
WDs are viable in Inferno

they just have to do a Splinter/CC build. if they want to try a different Inferno build, it is going to cost a whole lot more gold to make it viable.

the thing about WDs though is that Wizards & DHs are just much more quicker and effective at killing stuff in Softcore where kill speed is more important than not dieing (at least until repair increase is implemented)

most Inferno WDs right now play like single target DPS Wizard/DH plus CC. WDs have to wait until patch 1.1 to see how buffed pets get, then Inferno WD builds might become more varied.

the WD splinter/CC build is also fun for me to play. it's just you have to be willing to accept that DH/Wizard are just much more effective at farming than WDs and enjoy the playstyle instead of compare class viability.

my WD is walking around with 60.8K DPS & 76 MF though, so I've reached a gear level to make killing stuff tolerable for a WD

for the people talking about rubberbanding, are you actually talking about D3 hit detection (pure BS) which is a conscious game design decision by Blizzard?

Diablo hit detection: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN8x64c6gsI
 
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Skizzy said:
There were plenty of people (myself included) talking about how in the end there will only be a few viable builds, that posted in this thread alone. I understand Blizzard did the whole "play however you want!" but I just can't understand how people would actually believe that. :confused: I mean.. How many online RPGs allow billions/millions/thousands/even hundreds of viable builds?
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I had a couple concerns just before launch and those were:

- The game is a faceroll at the highest difficulties to ensure that all builds are viable or
- The statement they made does not include Inferno difficulty (which is "all business" mode)

It turns out to be the latter as Hell difficulty and below is extremely easy compared to Inferno. But who knows, there are already attempts at a "melee Wizard" build going on at the D3 forums. It all comes down to gear.
 
Finally got Azmodan down on my wiz, made it into Act IV of Inferno.

Gosh, that wasn't very easy. The blues and yellows were nothing short of uber. So to progress I had to group with up with a couple of other dedicated wizards and, using Teleport:Wormhole to rez off our bodies, corpse ran all the way to the next waypoints down the Towers breaking the Hearts. Took us about five hours of dying in every way imaginable to clear it and get the boss down.

We almost had to reset when our gear was damaged and we couldn't port out of Azmodan because it's not allowed in the boss encounter and there were a million mobs outside on the doorstep. But if you quit out and Resume the game, it'll reset it, and put you right on the Checkpoint outside the boss sans mobs. If you change your quest you'll lose your progress, though.
 
Stuck on diablo inferno with my wizard, pretty much scrapped my entire glass cannon build, the only ability I kept was force armor and venom hydra. It was actually a nice learning curve learning how to deal with his abilities. I felt like hell down you just burn stuff down without knowing what abilities bosses uses, then in inferno you actually have to dodge stuff.

I actually think the design of Diablo is very nice, but the programming for him is horrendous. That ability what he shoots a single fireball on the ground and it leaves a circle on you if you get hit is horribly coded. Whoever wrote the code for it should be fired. The design is fine, its a good "dont stand in the fire" mechanic. Seeing in action is stupid, on multiple occasions I've seen him cast in one direction while i'm in the other and suddenly it hits me. Or I teleport and hit hits me regardless of where I land. The rest of the fight I could handle, and I can easily notice the mistakes I made, but with that fireball its luck of the draw if this one decides to hit me or not.

They need to fix the character hit box to actually be the size of the character, and fix that stupid fireball to not change directions and open up where it landed, not on top of you even if you're not in its path. I think the rest of his dmg and health is fine.
 
You're gonna love this guys, ive just read this on the blizz forums. there is now an exploit using the PC clock timer to dupe gold


"Player A puts item up on AH
Player B buys item
Player A takes out the gold from that transaction
Player B turns back the clock on his desktop by 2 days
Player B will get back the money he spent on the item, and player A will also have the money that was originally paid, thus duping the gold. FIX PLEASE BLIZZARD. "

Holy crap :0 Some amazing testers blizz have
 
Yeah, apparently masses of people have been duping gold, so people have billions in gold now. Guess my 7mil is nothing now.


Anyways, thats not really what the exploit is. Its the rollback glitch but all you have to do is let someone bid on an item of course, then cancel the auction and I guess you get the gold and the item back.

However, ive also seen people saying they are doing mass bannings now for exploiters, so try this dupe at your own risk.... Ive seen multiple screenshots of banned account logins.
 
No wonder some french guy was boasting the other day that he had made 340 million gold, even though he had only collected like 6 million in the whole game. ><
 
piXel said:
No wonder some french guy was boasting the other day that he had made 340 million gold, even though he had only collected like 6 million in the whole game. ><
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Yeah.... Some people are speculating they are going to do a rollback, so it might not be best to play until sometime tomorrow. I dont know. I might still play.

I guess the Asia server got rolled back already for your info.

This game econemy is already screwed up. I worked hard for my 7mil I have so.... Kind of screwed up some have billions already.
 
Breath_of_the_Dying said:
Stuck on diablo inferno with my wizard, pretty much scrapped my entire glass cannon build, the only ability I kept was force armor and venom hydra. It was actually a nice learning curve learning how to deal with his abilities. I felt like hell down you just burn stuff down without knowing what abilities bosses uses, then in inferno you actually have to dodge stuff.

I actually think the design of Diablo is very nice, but the programming for him is horrendous. That ability what he shoots a single fireball on the ground and it leaves a circle on you if you get hit is horribly coded. Whoever wrote the code for it should be fired. The design is fine, its a good "dont stand in the fire" mechanic. Seeing in action is stupid, on multiple occasions I've seen him cast in one direction while i'm in the other and suddenly it hits me. Or I teleport and hit hits me regardless of where I land. The rest of the fight I could handle, and I can easily notice the mistakes I made, but with that fireball its luck of the draw if this one decides to hit me or not.

They need to fix the character hit box to actually be the size of the character, and fix that stupid fireball to not change directions and open up where it landed, not on top of you even if you're not in its path. I think the rest of his dmg and health is fine.
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Yeah the aoe-on-impact fireball was my biggest nemesis throughout phase 1 and 2 because of the issues above. You have to keep your distance from him at all times so you can have enough breathing room to teleport (or step) away from the fireball before the impact is registered. As you mentioned, I think its designed in a way that you'll always be at the dead center of the aoe if it touches you (which basically means death most of the time). jolli mentioned a tidbit to stay away from the edges to avoid his teleportation, which helps immensely. It's a little harder to avoid on phase 2, but still works. I think I used teleport primarily when he ran super fast toward me rather than to avoid the fireball itself. Being a good distance from him makes it easy to side step it. In some cases, don't hesitate to touch a wall/cliff in order to avoid a fireball. He'll teleport on you but that doesn't always guarantee death. So many times I've died because I was trying to avoid the fireball and edge simultaneously but just ended up getting hit. :D
 
I cant speak for anyone else but, Id vote for a full reset back to day one. Put everyone on an even keel and start over. I like starting over. :) Im sure that wont happen though.
 
piXel said:
I hope they dont ban people for using auction canceling :( cos i used it
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I did too, quite a few times. I am hoping they are smarter than that becuase we would see a community in rage for that since its a feature they should have had anyways and are implementing in next patch. Ill be asking for a refund if they ban me for that.
 
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