Untangle or something of the sort

amrogers3 said:
Thanks again for all the info. I couldn't have even attempted this if it wasn't for all your guys help. Wish I could buy ya'll a round of beers. Can't wait to get my equipment and get started.

*my apologies again for hijacking thread*

Cheers mates!!!
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Let us know when all the goodies arrive, For the beer, i will take posted pictures of your goodies :)

If you need any help installing let us know, or feel free to pm me :)

J'
 
amrogers3 said:
Thanks again for all the info. I couldn't have even attempted this if it wasn't for all your guys help. Wish I could buy ya'll a round of beers. Can't wait to get my equipment and get started.

*my apologies again for hijacking thread*

Cheers mates!!!
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Pix work just as good as beer 'round here :D:cool:
 
Danny Bui said:
Quiet and a small footprint:
$220 - Supermicro MBD-X7SPE-HF-O mITX Intel Atom D510 processor Server Motherboard/CPU Combo
$32 - G.Skill F2-5300CL5S-2GBSQ 2GB DDR2 667 SODIMM RAM
$44 - Western Digital Scorpio Blue WD1600BEVT 160GB 5400 RPM 2.5" SATA Hard Drive
$80 - Antec ISK 300-150 mITX Case
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Total: $376 plus tax and shipping.
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Why would you spend $220 on an Atom mobo and CPU? Sure it's "server" grade and all, but the Intel D945GCLF2 for $70 gets the job done the same and it uses 240-pin DIMMs.

You don't even need a dual core Atom, you could just go with single core to get the price down. 1GB is way more than enough and a 40GB hard drive would likely be more than enough by a large margin.

I'd go with the Super Micro 1U case though and get a PCI riser card with a dual port Intel NIC. The only problem is that it's not really what I'd consider quiet because of its PSU. Or you could use the Pico PSU and go almost completely fanless.
 
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prochobo said:
Why would you spend $220 on an Atom mobo and CPU? Sure it's "server" grade and all, but the Intel D945GCLF2 for $70 gets the job done the same and it uses 240-pin DIMMs.

You don't even need a dual core Atom, you could just go with single core to get the price down. 1GB is way more than enough and a 40GB hard drive would likely be more than enough by a large margin.

I'd go with the Super Micro 1U case though and get a PCI riser card with a dual port Intel NIC. The only problem is that it's not really what I'd consider quiet because of its PSU. Or you could use the Pico PSU and go almost completely fanless.
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the board you posted link to, not in stock, and not available any more.

If he buys that board, he still has to buy a NIC.
 
prochobo said:
Why would you spend $220 on an Atom mobo and CPU? Sure it's "server" grade and all, but the Intel D945GCLF2 for $70 gets the job done the same and it uses 240-pin DIMMs.

You don't even need a dual core Atom, you could just go with single core to get the price down. 1GB is way more than enough and a 40GB hard drive would likely be more than enough by a large margin.

I'd go with the Super Micro 1U case though and get a PCI riser card with a dual port Intel NIC. The only problem is that it's not really what I'd consider quiet because of its PSU. Or you could use the Pico PSU and go almost completely fanless.
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1 NIC vs 2.
Real high performance Intel NICs vs RealCrap (oops - Realtek)
6 SATA ports vs 2
ICH Raid support vs plain SATA
Support for 4Gb memory vs 2
PCIe x4 in x16 slot vs legacy PCI
Support for IPMI/Remote Management vs None.

But other than those things, no good reason. :)
 
prochobo said:
Why would you spend $220 on an Atom mobo and CPU? Sure it's "server" grade and all, but the Intel D945GCLF2 for $70 gets the job done the same and it uses 240-pin DIMMs.

You don't even need a dual core Atom, you could just go with single core to get the price down. 1GB is way more than enough and a 40GB hard drive would likely be more than enough by a large margin.
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The OP is looking for hardware that will handle Untangle or similar (meaning another UTM).
Single core Atoms are weak. While adequate for a boring web surfer, a family household of heavier use will bog down a single core Atom. Dual core Atoms like the D510 are just a couple of more dollars and fairly adequate in power to handle UTMs.

Atom boards are also nice for low power consumption and since they're fanless..nice and quiet. My 1U unit runs whisper quiet.

1BG is not "way more than enough" for UTM distros. It's the practical minimum for Untangle.

And good luck purchasing a 40 gig hard drive these days. It's hard to find anything smaller than 120-160 gigs. For firewall/UTM appliances, low power consumption, low heat output, and extra quiet...is desired. I used a Seagate Pipeline in mine..it's a drive designed for use in small, tight hardware where low noise is desired, and they run 24x7, such as DVR use.

You want to build using hardware designed for the purpose you have for it, not shoehorn in "any old equipment" which will result in a marginal product. Be smart, do it right, and it will do the job right.
 
For the untangle build, would it be beneficial to upgrade to the Atom 525 or greater as previously posted above? Don't want to buy something that just barely cuts the mustard.

Untangle site lists the following requirement for 1-50 PCs
Intel P4 1 GB RAM 80 GB STORAGE 2+ NICs



I already ordered the SUPERMICRO MBD-X7SPA-HF-O from newegg :)
 
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amrogers3 said:
For the untangle build, would it be beneficial to upgrade to the Atom 525 as previously posted above for a 16 device home network?
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As opposed to a 510? If you already have a 510, then no. If you have a 330, then maybe depending on what your current load is.

Personally I am going from a P3 celeron to a D525, so I am definitely looking forward to the extra power.
 
amrogers3 said:
What case does that use? SuperMicro website says its a proprietary form factor but didn't list any compatible cases.
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It looks like that board is ever so slightly wider then the standard ITX form factor. a few cases have already been posted that will fit it :cool:
 
amrogers3 said:
For the untangle build, would it be beneficial to upgrade to the Atom 525 or greater as previously posted above? Don't want to buy something that just barely cuts the mustard.

Untangle site lists the following requirement for 1-50 PCs
Intel P4 1 GB RAM 80 GB STORAGE 2+ NICs



I already ordered the SUPERMICRO MBD-X7SPA-HF-O from newegg :)
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That's the same motherboard that I have in my untangle box. I haven't gotten the chance to really USE it yet, but it should do just fine with untangle from all I've read. I have no regrets in buying mine :cool:
 
pwrusr said:
That's the same motherboard that I have in my untangle box. I haven't gotten the chance to really USE it yet, but it should do just fine with untangle from all I've read.l:
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Ran Untangle 7.4 smooth as buttah for me. Currently running Astaro but I'll be downloading Untangle 8.0 and slapping that in there soon.
 
amrogers3 said:
For the untangle build, would it be beneficial to upgrade to the Atom 525 or greater as previously posted above? Don't want to buy something that just barely cuts the mustard.

Untangle site lists the following requirement for 1-50 PCs
Intel P4 1 GB RAM 80 GB STORAGE 2+ NICs



I already ordered the SUPERMICRO MBD-X7SPA-HF-O from newegg :)
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If you haven't bought the processor yet, I'd get the 525 if the price difference is OK for your budget. The 525 isn't all that much faster than the 510...you can go Google performance tests to see that the difference isn't all that much. If you have the 510 already, do worry about it, you'll be fine. The 510 is many times better than the earlier versions, so you want at least a 510.
 
YeOldeStonecat said:
If you haven't bought the processor yet, I'd get the 525 if the price difference is OK for your budget. The 525 isn't all that much faster than the 510...you can go Google performance tests to see that the difference isn't all that much. If you have the 510 already, do worry about it, you'll be fine. The 510 is many times better than the earlier versions, so you want at least a 510.
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The only difference between a 510 and 525 is 140mhz. Other then that they are identical. Since the price is a bit cheaper for the D525 from supermicro that is what I bought, but I wouldn't pay extra for it.
 
PigLover said:
What form factor? ATX, mATX, mITX?
What processor family?

You could try this: SuperMicro 1156 ATX with 4 LAN
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Good luck keeping that warm in a half depth 1u supermicro case, let alone getting it to work.

I personally, would just get what you ordered working, get it configured then move on / upgrade from there on.

From our pm's i doubt you will need 3 nic's.

j'
 
amrogers3 said:
Not sure if they make a miniITX, but that is what am looking for. Processor needs to be able to support Snort.
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Only mITX I know of with more than 2 LAN is this. Its an old Atom-230 design and you have to add a daughter card to get the extra LAN ports. I have no idea if it is enough to run Snort (whatever that is ;)).

If you really need more than the 2 LAN ports you can always use the SuperMicro Atom boards, get the right-angle PCIe riser board and just add NIC card (or even a multi-NIC card if you gotta have that many LAN ports).
 
PigLover said:
Only mITX I know of with more than 2 LAN is this. Its an old Atom-230 design and you have to add a daughter card to get the extra LAN ports. I have no idea if it is enough to run Snort (whatever that is ;)).

If you really need more than the 2 LAN ports you can always use the SuperMicro Atom boards, get the right-angle PCIe riser board and just add NIC card (or even a multi-NIC card if you gotta have that many LAN ports).
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I don't think the 230 is going to be able to do what I need it to do. I found a riser card RSC-RR1U-E16, but newegg is outta stock. I looked for compatible NICs but couldn't find a one. Can you recommend a NIC?


YeOldeStonecat said:
Many cool 1U appliances here with multi NICs
http://untangleappliances.com/
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Thanks Stone, I checked those out. Those are pretty expensive. I'll probably just buy a superMicro board with a riser card, I think this one has a riser card included 5015A-EHF-D525, and slap a NIC in there.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101364&Tpk=EHF-D525
 
Danny Bui said:
Quiet and a small footprint:
$220 - Supermicro MBD-X7SPE-HF-O mITX Intel Atom D510 processor Server Motherboard/CPU Combo
$32 - G.Skill F2-5300CL5S-2GBSQ 2GB DDR2 667 SODIMM RAM
$44 - Western Digital Scorpio Blue WD1600BEVT 160GB 5400 RPM 2.5" SATA Hard Drive
$80 - Antec ISK 300-150 mITX Case
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Total: $376 plus tax and shipping.
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FYI....the board you listed does not fit in the Antec ISK 300-150. I know this because I liked the look of the case, so I ordered one....and it's sitting beside me right now ready to go back to Amazon. RMA here I come. :p
 
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Oldie said:
FYI....the board you listed does not fit in the Antec ISK 300-150. I know this because I liked the look of the case, so I ordered one....and it's sitting beside me right now ready to go back to Amazon. RMA here I come. :p
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Fuck. My bad.

How does that motherboard not fit inside that case?
 
Eh, I packed it up or I would take pictures. It's about a centimeter too tall for some reason. I even removed the side fan cage and you can physically put it in there then, but the IO panel is out of line (even if you just leave it open) and the mounting holes aren't aligned. I could probably mod the case to work but I really don't want to go cutting on it. I'm just going to find something bigger.

I'm pretty sure Antec followed mITX standards and supermicro blew it on this one.
 
Slightly off topic - but I noticed some of you guys are moving to or using a server to handle your internet connections? Like a 50mbps package...slightly understandable - but wouldn't a 50 ~ 100$ router do the same job? Not trying to argue that a router is better/worse...just getting perspective, as I just upgraded to 50/10 from Comcrap and my WRT350n w/ dd-wrt is having no issues.
 
Also, what's the point of having multiple NICs? I understand maybe having two ports, one for the WAN, and the other to the LAN.

And going off of ziggo0 question, how is the performance compared to the Netgear 3700, a Cisco 1941 (or the Juniper equivalent) or a cheap Pix or ASA from Ebay?
 
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Because this does more than a nat router.. Read sticky or research.a little first
 
So, anyone have a suggestion for a slightly larger case/psu for the MBD-X7SPE-HF-O board? I'd rather return the case than swap the board since the case came from Amazon and Newegg's RMA process is a PITA. This is my first foray into smaller systems like this so I don't know a ton about the enclosures out there.
 
ziggo0 said:
Slightly off topic - but I noticed some of you guys are moving to or using a server to handle your internet connections? Like a 50mbps package...slightly understandable - but wouldn't a 50 ~ 100$ router do the same job? Not trying to argue that a router is better/worse...just getting perspective, as I just upgraded to 50/10 from Comcrap and my WRT350n w/ dd-wrt is having no issues.
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Because UTMs (like Untangle or Astaro) do far more than off the shelf stinksys/nutgear/dstink routers..you get so much more protection from a UTM (Unified Threat Management). Google can illuminate you on what a UTM is.

Also for those that don't run UTMs on their hardware, but run some other more basic distros like m0n0wall, Smoothie, PFSense, IPCop, etc....those easily will kick the living crap out of a store bought router performance wise without even breaking a sweat. There's a lot more than just running speedtest.net tests and seeing if you stinksys router can handle all 50 megs of download speed you're getting from your ISP. Factors like max concurrent sessions, and ability to properly and fully implement QoS and/or traffic shaping. For a single home user or even two people at home, no big deal. But for someone with a larger household of heavy computer users, someone that wants to be able to still do their online gaming while other people in the house are all downloading torrents and/or gaming themselves online and/or shopping online and/or wife watching youporn and/or .....and you still want good online pings? No problem with a good distro like PFSense...I can have 3-4 other computers in my house going full bore on the internet and they won't affect my online pings at all. Try that with your store bought plastic box. Yeah, DD-WRT helps out, I love Tomato better, and I've fiddled with many other 3rd party firmwares for the Stinksys boxes like Hyper-WRT, Thor, etc. And I've had more business grade 200-500 dollar bigger name routers at home, But unless you push your internet harder, and have tried some of these *nix router distros....it's hard to explain, just "trust me!"...it's like night and day. ;)
 
spiderjericho said:
Also, what's the point of having multiple NICs? I understand maybe having two ports, one for the WAN, and the other to the LAN.
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One approach is to have different zones on your inside....or rather, break up your internal points. Say a "green" zone for your main network. And a 2nd internal NIC could be used for an "orange zone"...almost like a DMZ, where you could put some servers that are protected from the internet, yet separated from your green zone.

Or...you could create several different internal networks sharing the same internet connection...say you had a professional center building with 4 or 6 different businesses renting office space. Each business might want their own protected network that the other office tenants cannot see, yet they can share the same internet.
 
Oldie said:
So, anyone have a suggestion for a slightly larger case/psu for the MBD-X7SPE-HF-O board? I'd rather return the case than swap the board since the case came from Amazon and Newegg's RMA process is a PITA. This is my first foray into smaller systems like this so I don't know a ton about the enclosures out there.
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Maybe the Silverstone SG05 case?
 
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