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Untangle or something of the sort
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goodcooper
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not enough juice there for untangle...
but you could slap pfsense on there no probs
but you could slap pfsense on there no probs
That's right. You'll need at least mid-range p4 power and 1 GB ram to run the complete gamut of features from Untangle or any other UTM well.
Goodcooper's right though, That's plenty or beef for PFsense. MY PFSense box is a P3-800 with 256mb PC100 and it keeps up with my cable modem, 2 other interfaces and 3 IPSEC tunnels.
Goodcooper's right though, That's plenty or beef for PFsense. MY PFSense box is a P3-800 with 256mb PC100 and it keeps up with my cable modem, 2 other interfaces and 3 IPSEC tunnels.
Yes, a P4 with at least 1GB of ram is needed to run untangle smoothly.
Your current P3 w/384MB ram should still be able to run PFSense or SmoothWall with no problem. One thing to keep in mind is to use Intel NICs because they are some of the best hardware based nics out there. Realtec and most other cheap nics can have issues when pushed because they are software nics kinda like the old winmodems.
*Ninja edit:
Check out this thread as well for more firewall distros:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1517454
Your current P3 w/384MB ram should still be able to run PFSense or SmoothWall with no problem. One thing to keep in mind is to use Intel NICs because they are some of the best hardware based nics out there. Realtec and most other cheap nics can have issues when pushed because they are software nics kinda like the old winmodems.
*Ninja edit:
Check out this thread as well for more firewall distros:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1517454
Why not just use on eof these instead?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&cm_re=supermicro_atom-_-16-101-262-_-Product
Supermicro 1U Atom Server 5015A-H for $289
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&cm_re=supermicro_atom-_-16-101-262-_-Product
Supermicro 1U Atom Server 5015A-H for $289
You could, i was just buying / building mine so the ports are on the front of the 1u chassis not the rear.
Also, the unit you suggested uses SHITTY nic's. Stay away from them only use the Intel ones
YeOldeStonecat
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If he wants to run Untangle....the faketek ..I mean..realsuk...I mean...realtek... soft-NICs and single core Atom 330 will be pokey. On a 3 or 6 meg DSL with casual web surfing...not a huge huge deal
But if on a faster powerboost cable pipe capable of 20 megs or more, and if the user is into stuff like online gaming and heavy downloading....oh boy yes a huge difference and the 80 dollar difference towards the D510 and real Intel NIC based board and better chassis with front I/O ports is well worth the very slight cost increase.
Using Realtek nics in any environment, even a 1.5Mb T1 can be a problem. They should never be used to move packets as a router, firewall or UTM. Compared to Intel, they just suck, especially on UDP packet streaming. Your connection will never be better than the weakest link.
Dangman
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Quiet and a small footprint:
$220 - Supermicro MBD-X7SPE-HF-O mITX Intel Atom D510 processor Server Motherboard/CPU Combo
$32 - G.Skill F2-5300CL5S-2GBSQ 2GB DDR2 667 SODIMM RAM
$44 - Western Digital Scorpio Blue WD1600BEVT 160GB 5400 RPM 2.5" SATA Hard Drive
$80 - Antec ISK 300-150 mITX Case
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Total: $376 plus tax and shipping.
$220 - Supermicro MBD-X7SPE-HF-O mITX Intel Atom D510 processor Server Motherboard/CPU Combo
$32 - G.Skill F2-5300CL5S-2GBSQ 2GB DDR2 667 SODIMM RAM
$44 - Western Digital Scorpio Blue WD1600BEVT 160GB 5400 RPM 2.5" SATA Hard Drive
$80 - Antec ISK 300-150 mITX Case
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Total: $376 plus tax and shipping.
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Right on the money.!
I'm ordering these goodies this week, except the case, im ordering a different case because i making a loaner test machine for my home customers.
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Dangman
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What case will you be using?
THe case im ordering is this,
Linkworld 617-03-c2228U Black/Silver MicroATX Slim Case Computer Case 400W Power Supply
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811164129
Im ordering one this week for a Test unit to show my customers how it work and how "WELL" it works. It's small and perfect.
For my self im running a NOrco 2u case with a Celeron 3.0 with 2 gigs ram and YES YES intel g-bit nic's.
When i have some more $$ to play with i will probably convert my home unit to a Atom version board like the one i posted above.
J'
I like that setup to be quite honest, I might just use that when I switch to the 50mbps service around here when my local ISP rolls it out. My current pfsense unit is running off a box with a Sempron 3000+, 1.5gb ram, with 2 intel pro 1000's . But I would probably switch to Untangle when that rolls around.
Thats because this is [H]ard Forum, we take this sort of stuff a little more seriously
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Dash, while the case itself looks okay, the power supply that is included with that case is likely garbage. keep in mind if that's the case you go with you limit yourself on what power supply type you can use in it. It looks like a "matx" psu from the pictures.
Do you know of any other cases that are small like this that are "better" ? It needs to be small and compact for me to be able to do this for a demo/lender machine.
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The Antec ISK-150 case I recommended earlier is fairly small and has a significantly better quality PSU than that Linkworld.
I'm assuming that you're in Canada from the newegg link you posted above?
Just as Danny Bui suggested:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129080
Is there in reason why you chose the MBD-X7SPE-HF-O instead of the MBD-X7SPA-HF-O or the MBD-X7SPA-H-O?
I was checking out supermicro.com and looking at the atom motherboards and it seems the only difference is that the SPE's form factor is propietary. But I am new at this so maybe I am completely missing something.
Also, I can't figure out for the life of me what is the difference between HF, H, and L.
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I can tell you from experience those power supplies are complete crap. If your not spending $50 on the case your getting a crap power supply.
cd drive, and what ever is supported on the board, sata / ide
If you are getting the intel board with the dual g-bit NICS then its a sata drive. you will only use it once tho. so buy a cheap one.
j'
Roger that. Thanks for all the help
I think I'm just about good to with ordering my setup.Looks good, though I'm wondering what the heatsink is for? were you planning to use it on the atom board? because it likely will not need anymore cooling then it already has
Looks good, though I'm wondering what the heatsink is for? were you planning to use it on the atom board? because it likely will not need anymore cooling then it already has
I was going to use it for extra cooling just because some of the feedback I read on the newegg site. I figure better safe than sorry
Only concern now is compatilibity of BSD/Debian. SuperMicro compatibility chart doesnt show it is supported.
I was going to use it for extra cooling just because some of the feedback I read on the newegg site. I figure better safe than sorry
Only concern now is compatilibity of BSD/Debian. SuperMicro compatibility chart doesnt show it is supported.
ditch the cooler you don't need it at all, and that's the wrong cooler anyways
If you need a cooler just run a small ( SMALL ) fan across the heatsink that's glued to the chip already.
The people on newegg's comments are probably running the machine REALLY hard thats why it gets warm.
No materiel difference between the X7SPA-H/HF and the X7SPE-H/HF except the form factor. The larger "proprietary" form factor is for use with certain 1U Supermicro cases and their particular PCIe riser/horizontal mount. Stick with the more standard mini-ITX if you are not using that case.
The difference between the H and HF models is IPMI, or IP-based remote management. The H model does not have it (and uses standard Intel GMA graphics) while the HF model does (and replaces the GMA graphics with a Matrox chip). I used to be a skeptic about this - but don't think I'd ever do another server without IPMI. Its up to you, but find it real convenient to just sit at my workstation and have complete control of the box over a browser session just as if I was sitting in front of it (including being able to turn it on/off and access the bios).
L is a completely different product. Only 4 SATA and no raid support. For an untangle box it might be just fine assuming the price difference is material.
The 'O' just refers to packaging. "O" comes in a retail box, without the "O" it is bulk-ship or white-box.
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Didn't mean to hijack this thread but I learned a lot boucing questions off you guys.
Here is my setup. If you guys bless it, I'll hit the "order complete" button
you do know that dvd drive wont fit in a 1u case right? can you just pull your optical drive out of another computer for hte time being? save yourself the 20 bucks and ane xtra part.
I could have sworn that i quoted this to him, and told him to just grab a sata cd rom, OR if he has a usb cd/dvd drive that would work perfectly too.
nafdrynyks
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I want to chime in with a thanks. I always heard Intel NICs were *better* but I assumed it was simply due to their drivers and OS compatibility, now I understand better. Thanks for the education, sorry for the hijack.
ditch the cooler you don't need it at all, and that's the wrong cooler anyways
If you need a cooler just run a small ( SMALL ) fan across the heatsink that's glued to the chip already.
The people on newegg's comments are probably running the machine REALLY hard thats why it gets warm.
Roger that, I already ordered it will probably just end up sending it back. I don't think untangle is going to push it that hard anyway.
Awesome info. Thanks piglover. I'm glad I got the IPMI board. Can't wait to do some management over HTTP.
I kinda guessed it wouldn't fit inside after I was looking a pic of the case. Unfortunately, I dont have an extra CD drive. Got one of the cheapest ones I could find though.
You did and I didn't have one