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Loud is relative to the size of fans ran on a heat sink. The 92mm fan on the Zalman 9700 copper isn't loud.
Umm....No...No it's not, and compared to other good quality fans, yes...Yes it is. The noise level of a fan has more to do with RPM than size, you can have a small or large low RPM fan and it will be quiet. The fans on Zalman's are also not known for having the best sound or tone profile.
Zero is right, the Zalman falls way behind allot of the HS's out now, including the TRUE and is still louder than most of them also. DL link for IBT if you really want to give it a go. As I also do not believe your temps, in truth I don't see any aircooler out on the market now cooling a big quad at 4GHz+ and keep it around 60C, unless you live way north....
Ok I ran Prime95, RE5 Benchmark, and PeaceKeeper Browser benchmark all at the same time then went to bed and let it run for about 6 hours. Woke up and the machine is still working. Did this at 3.8 GHZ.
Temps were much higher with the Prime95. Here are the results.
i think his claims are bogus, though lol.
LINPACK.
but lets not get off topic the 9700 was good YEARS ago....
Not compared to the competition.It's still good today.
Not compared to the competition.
Sorry, I don't have the time or the inclination to do research for you at the moment. However, you can find what you seek here: http://www.google.com/Show me some system temps of the competition in a system comparable to mine.
The TRUE can be found here for $47: http://www.jab-tech.com/Thermalright-Ultra-120-eXtreme-775-BP-pr-4388.htmlAlso Zalman 9700 can be had for around $43.
http://www.lagoom.com/586513/zalman-cnps9700led-copper-cpu-cooler.html
While the TRUE 120 Extreme Copper can be had for around $89.
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thulexcoedtr.html
Sorry, I don't have the time or the inclination to do research for you at the moment.
The TRUE can be found here for $47: http://www.jab-tech.com/Thermalright-Ultra-120-eXtreme-775-BP-pr-4388.html
My apologies for not wanting to spend a lot of time looking for reviews on the internet at 1:30AM. You can either do some research yourself or wait until tomorrow when I actually have time to indulge you.Well if you don't want to back you claims with some evidence then so be it.
The standard TRUE performs effectively identically to the TRUE copper. The only real differences between the two are cost, weight, and appearance. There's no sense in paying substantially more money for something that won't offer any increase in performance at all.
That isn't a "Copper" like I posted.
You posted the inferior cheaper TRUE. This thread is about the "best" heatsink.
Well if you don't want to back you claims with some evidence then so be it.
That isn't a "Copper" like I posted.
You posted the inferior cheaper TRUE. This thread is about the "best" heatsink.
My apologies for not wanting to spend a lot of time looking for reviews on the internet at 1:30AM. You can either do some research yourself or wait until tomorrow when I actually have time to indulge you.
The standard TRUE performs effectively identically to the TRUE copper. The only real differences between the two are cost, weight, and appearance. There's no sense in paying substantially more money for something that won't offer any increase in performance at all.
So we can only use what you say we can? Ok, got it.
Zalman 9700 while it is a nice Cpu Cooler is no match for the TRUE. Here is a thread where I compared the two---> http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1404682
I never said that but I posted the price of the TRUE Extreme Copper which is supposed to be the best TRUE heatsink and is the most expensive. It was an apple to oranges reply that was given to me and that is why I corrected the situation.
Very nice temps on your TRUE Extreme. Is that the all copper version?
Also your system voltage on your CPU is much lower than mine which is very impressive as well. I know that is part of the reason that your system is posting such low temps. I'm not sure I can get my Q9550 to match your voltage with the CPU speed if I can I'll post some temps with similar settings to your system.
Very nice results.
Stick a Scythe KAZE 3000 on the Zalman 9700 to be fair.
it's been in occt for a while, i don't know why people have all these separate apps for things...
I thought it was supposed to be for 4.3ghz?
I've been wondering that as well... this little debate started with his cpu at 4.3 and all the benches are at 3.8?
You're pumping 1.44V through your CPU and peaking at ~67C temps at only 3.8GHz, and you really think you're going to get 4.3GHz stable?I think 3.8GHZ with a Q9550 is a good spot to compare at. Many more systems can do 3.8GHZ while very few can get to 4.3GHZ.
So my 3.8 GHZ tuning is done and I have lowered my temps and voltages to bare minimums to run linkpack, OCCT ect. for stability while monitoring the temps of my Q9550 cooled with the Zalman 9700 heatsink.
I' haven't forgotten about my 4.3GHZ settings. I'm going to work on the 4.3GHZ settings next to increase overall stability and lower voltages to lower temps.
You're pumping 1.44V through your CPU and peaking at ~67C temps at only 3.8GHz, and you really think you're going to get 4.3GHz stable?
you really think you're going to get 4.3GHz stable?
At idle. Idle temps and volts mean jack when discussing overclocking limits and stability. You should actually review the information you post or this conversation is going to be useless and one-sided. Let's refer back to this image, since all I have to work with is what you post: EDIT: He changed it, should have hosted it myself
Look at the screen shot above. My voltages are down to 1.328 volts for my system 3.8GHZ tune with idle temps with Real Temp 3.0 are 30-33-34-36 and full load OCCT PSU GPU/CPU Linpack extreme burn test hitting 62-62-60-60.
No, they're average temps. With my Q6600 G0 (65nm chip, runs even hotter), my lapped TRUE with a 120mmx38mm Panaflo used to load at 58-60C @ 3.8GHz. The 9700 is a good air cooler, but it's nowhere near the best. And considering its price of $50+, it's ridiculous to call it a "great value." Here's a chart from one of FrostyTech's latest reviews, you can see where the 9700 stacks up - http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2430&page=5. One of the things to also consider is the ability of fan choice. On a TRUE and similar tower designs, you can choose your own fan. On the Zalman, you're stuck with theirs. The 120x38mm Panaflo I have is one of the best fans ever made IMO, due to it's incredible airflow/noise ratio and the pressure it produces. It gives temps 2-3C lower in my testing when compared to standard 120x25mm fans.Those temps are fantastic for any air cooled heatsink in other similar systems with P45 chipset with Intel Q9550.
Again the Zalman 9700 heat sink works great and is a great value for an all copper heat sink.
10 minutes of a GPU benchmark hardly validates anything as being stable, never mind the CPU. However, I did notice that you were already pumping 1.472V through that chip when running that benchmark. Whether it was necessary or not, good luck having that chip last. Also, if the DFI motherboard utility is accurate at all, you should look into getting a new power supply soon. You have some significant droop on the 12V line, and nothing sucks more than losing a whole system to a bad PSU.Seems stable to me. Did you watch my movie?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN5j4Vk-QKY
OCCT seems to be the crowd pleaser so I'm going to work on that.
I havn't done the OCCT testing with my 4.3GHZ settings but soon i will and I think I may have to turn down my voltage settings a little but I do think I'll find the nice spot to go 4.3 GHZ on my system with the OCCT PSU CPU/GPU LinPack burn extreme test for at least 15 minutes to begin with like I did with my 3.8GHZ settings.
You should actually review the information you post or this conversation is going to be useless and one-sided. Let's refer back to this image, since all I have to work with is what you post:
Looks like your temps are 65-67C across all cores and you're using 1.44V (real) to get to only 6 hours stability.
10 minutes of a GPU benchmark hardly validates anything as being stable, never mind the CPU......
I am, but you aren't. That's probably where that confusion comes from.
Please read the threads that I'm posting.
Then don't try to use it to prove stability1. Youtube allows a maximum of 10 minutes per movie.
Nope, it's good, nothing more, nothing less.2. The Zalman 9700 is awesome.
Changing your own images in an attempt to hide your lying just makes you look like a tool. EDIT: It's funny how you hosting the same image twice, but named it two very different names: http://minidriven.com/GreenMachine/gmslongtimeprime95temps.jpg and http://minidriven.com/GreenMachine/GMSOCCT15minutes.jpg especially because, interestingly enough, you aren't even running prime95 in that picture . I'll have to screenshot it and host it myself next time. Anyway, if your best response is to be cheeky, then you have no response. You know you're lying, you don't have any results. Do this forum a favor and stop posting crap and misinformation when newcomers are trying to get some decent advice.3. Pay attention to the images I'm posting as they may help you understand my post.
Changing your own images just makes you look like a tool. I'll have to screenshot it and host it myself next time. Anyway, if your best response is to be cheeky, then you have no response. You know you're lying, you don't have any results. Do this forum a favor and stop posting crap and misinformation when newcomers are trying to get some decent advice.
IYou know you're lying, you don't have any results. Do this forum a favor and stop posting crap and misinformation when newcomers are trying to get some decent advice.
You changed it to hide your less than stellar 6 hour prime95 result, evidence posted. Go play games with someone who doesn't pay attention. And besides, you haven't shown anything that points to the 9700 as being anything more than a "decent" heat sink.I changed the screen shot to help you out. You were not looking at my latest and greatest achievements with the Zalman 9700 LED heat sink.
Also if you are going to post screen shots from an OP then make sure you know that they are accurate.
I'll continue to show proof that the Zalman 9700 heat sink works marvelously.
Why? Because I called you out on the crap you post and you can't deliver any proof?
I have to lol about this comment.
I have no reason to lie. I posted a movie with my system running at 4.3GHZ performing well then a few people asked for more proof and I provided more proof that the Zalman 9700 heatsink is a great heat sink.
I'm no troll by any means and your behavior is out of line.
You changed it to hide your less than stellar 6 hour prime95 result, evidence posted.