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Loud is relative to the size of fans ran on a heat sink. The 92mm fan on the Zalman 9700 copper isn't loud.
Umm....No...No it's not, and compared to other good quality fans, yes...Yes it is. The noise level of a fan has more to do with RPM than size, you can have a small or large low RPM fan and it will be quiet. The fans on Zalman's are also not known for having the best sound or tone profile.
 

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Umm....No...No it's not, and compared to other good quality fans, yes...Yes it is. The noise level of a fan has more to do with RPM than size, you can have a small or large low RPM fan and it will be quiet. The fans on Zalman's are also not known for having the best sound or tone profile.
i think of all the sock fans (not stock hsfs from chips, but the stock fan that comes with coolers) the one that came on the zalman i had was definitely one of the quieter ones. of course there are quieter fans you can buy, and some coolers come with quieter fans (noctuas, maybe silenx) but the zalman one wasn't awfu, and there were certainly quiet a few that were louder than it

i think his claims are bogus, though lol.
 

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Zero is right, the Zalman falls way behind allot of the HS's out now, including the TRUE and is still louder than most of them also. DL link for IBT if you really want to give it a go. As I also do not believe your temps, in truth I don't see any aircooler out on the market now cooling a big quad at 4GHz+ and keep it around 60C, unless you live way north....
it's been in occt for a while, i don't know why people have all these separate apps for things...

http://www.ocbase.com/perestroika_en/index.php?Download

comes with a prime95 test, a linpack test, a furmark test, and a gpumem test. all in one app. also records temps over time so you don't even have to baby sit it.
 

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Ok I ran Prime95, RE5 Benchmark, and PeaceKeeper Browser benchmark all at the same time then went to bed and let it run for about 6 hours. Woke up and the machine is still working. Did this at 3.8 GHZ.
Temps were much higher with the Prime95. Here are the results.


 

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Ok I ran Prime95, RE5 Benchmark, and PeaceKeeper Browser benchmark all at the same time then went to bed and let it run for about 6 hours. Woke up and the machine is still working. Did this at 3.8 GHZ.
Temps were much higher with the Prime95. Here are the results.
LINPACK.

but lets not get off topic the 9700 was good YEARS ago, and it wasn't even the best then it was just good. Now it is way behind. My vote goes to The Dark Knight or any iteration of the TRUE.
 

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i think his claims are bogus, though lol.
I made a movie because I was impressed and wanted to pass on the knowledge.

IMO the Zalman 9700 has performed very well for me. Next week I'm going to try a Corsair H50 and I'm hoping to lower my temps quite a bit if Corsair's claims are true. If it doesn't destroy the Zalman 9700 I'm going to return the Corsair H50.

No lie.
 

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Not compared to the competition.


Show me some system temps of the competition in a system comparable to mine.

Also Zalman 9700 can be had for around $43.

http://www.lagoom.com/586513/zalman-cnps9700led-copper-cpu-cooler.html


While the TRUE 120 Extreme Copper can be had for around $89.

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thulexcoedtr.html


Another thing to take note between these two is the mount. The mount on the Zalman 9700 is first class in design and offers support and stability for all the expensive copper that is used.

The TRUE 120 Extreme Copper's mount system may not be as good because most vendors put a disclaimer about how heavy the all copper TRUE 120 Extreme is and how it can damage a MB because of the weight. Also it is not recommended to be used in a vertical case (which is just about every case).


Despite the numbers and information I have presented the most important numbers to me are performance numbers.

Please post some screen shots like I have with a similar system to convince me that it is vastly superior to the Zalman 9700.
 

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Show me some system temps of the competition in a system comparable to mine.
Sorry, I don't have the time or the inclination to do research for you at the moment. However, you can find what you seek here: http://www.google.com/
Also Zalman 9700 can be had for around $43.

http://www.lagoom.com/586513/zalman-cnps9700led-copper-cpu-cooler.html


While the TRUE 120 Extreme Copper can be had for around $89.

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thulexcoedtr.html
The TRUE can be found here for $47: http://www.jab-tech.com/Thermalright-Ultra-120-eXtreme-775-BP-pr-4388.html

And here are some other heatsinks that are better than the Zalman:
Scythe Mugen 2 - $37: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185093
Xigmatek Dark Knight - $45: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029
Xigmatek HDT-S1283: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233003&Tpk=xigmatek hdt-s1283
 

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Well if you don't want to back you claims with some evidence then so be it.
My apologies for not wanting to spend a lot of time looking for reviews on the internet at 1:30AM. You can either do some research yourself or wait until tomorrow when I actually have time to indulge you.
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That isn't a "Copper" like I posted. :rolleyes:

You posted the inferior cheaper TRUE. This thread is about the "best" heatsink.
The standard TRUE performs effectively identically to the TRUE copper. The only real differences between the two are cost, weight, and appearance. There's no sense in paying substantially more money for something that won't offer any increase in performance at all.
 

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A short test to see how the water is with the PSU stress test that does the LinPak and GPU test at the same time.



Passed the short test without any problems.
 
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Well if you don't want to back you claims with some evidence then so be it.
He has not really made any claims other than the TRUE is better than the Zalman, which is show over and over in reviews.

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That isn't a "Copper" like I posted. :rolleyes:

You posted the inferior cheaper TRUE. This thread is about the "best" heatsink.
So we can only use what you say we can? Ok, got it.

My apologies for not wanting to spend a lot of time looking for reviews on the internet at 1:30AM. You can either do some research yourself or wait until tomorrow when I actually have time to indulge you.

The standard TRUE performs effectively identically to the TRUE copper. The only real differences between the two are cost, weight, and appearance. There's no sense in paying substantially more money for something that won't offer any increase in performance at all.
Indeed, and for proof here is my own system, link here. In a warm room running 20 passes of IBT with 8GB of ram I top out at 65C, with prime its 56C. In your test of running prime you hit a max of 72C, a big gap there. Also, for me the linpack test in OCCT has never got my temps over 59C.
 

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My favorite though not the best is the Cooler Master V10. I touched one of those and was very excited. Not many CPU coolers can do that for me these days despite their performance.
 

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So we can only use what you say we can? Ok, got it.
I never said that but I posted the price of the TRUE Extreme Copper which is supposed to be the best TRUE heatsink and is the most expensive. It was an apple to oranges reply that was given to me and that is why I corrected the situation.


Very nice temps on your TRUE Extreme. Is that the all copper version?

Also your system voltage on your CPU is much lower than mine which is very impressive as well. I know that is part of the reason that your system is posting such low temps. I'm not sure I can get my Q9550 to match your voltage with the CPU speed if I can I'll post some temps with similar settings to your system.
 
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I never said that but I posted the price of the TRUE Extreme Copper which is supposed to be the best TRUE heatsink and is the most expensive. It was an apple to oranges reply that was given to me and that is why I corrected the situation.


Very nice temps on your TRUE Extreme. Is that the all copper version?

Also your system voltage on your CPU is much lower than mine which is very impressive as well. I know that is part of the reason that your system is posting such low temps. I'm not sure I can get my Q9550 to match your voltage with the CPU speed if I can I'll post some temps with similar settings to your system.
No, I would never pay that much for the TRUE copper, and in all truth I think it is kind of ugly, I would much rather the TRUE black if I was going to fork over more money.

Very nice results. :cool:


Stick a Scythe KAZE 3000 on the Zalman 9700 to be fair. :D :p
Well, in all fairness the 9700 does have an almost 3,000rpm fan, wile my TRUE is only running at 900rpm, I believe that would be about the lowest setting on the 9700. Maybe tomorrow I will crank up the fan speed and see what kind of temps I get at 2,800rpm. :D
 

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it's been in occt for a while, i don't know why people have all these separate apps for things...
Thanks for the OCCT info. I did some tweaking and did the extreme PSU GPU and CPU Linpack fire test. :D

Looks like the Zalman 9700 did very well and is still a contender as being one of the best air cooled heat sinks.


My work:



Both HD4770s burning in ATI Xfire during OCCT PSU test.





Nice temps and results.





Short movie of testing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyInBpAnCwk
 
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I've been wondering that as well... this little debate started with his cpu at 4.3 and all the benches are at 3.8?


I think 3.8GHZ with a Q9550 is a good spot to compare at. Many more systems can do 3.8GHZ while very few can get to 4.3GHZ.


So my 3.8 GHZ tuning is done and I have lowered my temps and voltages to bare minimums to run linkpack, OCCT ect. for stability while monitoring the temps of my Q9550 cooled with the Zalman 9700 heatsink.


I' haven't forgotten about my 4.3GHZ settings. I'm going to work on the 4.3GHZ settings next to increase overall stability and lower voltages to lower temps.
 

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I think 3.8GHZ with a Q9550 is a good spot to compare at. Many more systems can do 3.8GHZ while very few can get to 4.3GHZ.


So my 3.8 GHZ tuning is done and I have lowered my temps and voltages to bare minimums to run linkpack, OCCT ect. for stability while monitoring the temps of my Q9550 cooled with the Zalman 9700 heatsink.


I' haven't forgotten about my 4.3GHZ settings. I'm going to work on the 4.3GHZ settings next to increase overall stability and lower voltages to lower temps.
You're pumping 1.44V through your CPU and peaking at ~67C temps at only 3.8GHz, and you really think you're going to get 4.3GHz stable? :rolleyes:

OP, here's a great comparison page from FrostyTech - http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm

I think they have one of the best comparisons overall and their charts (click on individual reviews to compare) are incredibly easy to follow. What's your budget? For bang-for-your-buck builds, I always use the Xigmatech HDT-S1283, it can't be beat for the price. The TRUE is incredible once lapped, but some of the newer heat sinks like the Prolimatech Megahalems seem to be edging it out for #1.
 

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You're pumping 1.44V through your CPU and peaking at ~67C temps at only 3.8GHz, and you really think you're going to get 4.3GHz stable? :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:

Look at the screen shot above. My voltages are down to 1.328 volts for my system 3.8GHZ tune with idle temps with Real Temp 3.0 are 30-33-34-36 and full load OCCT PSU GPU/CPU Linpack extreme burn test hitting 62-62-60-60.

Those temps are fantastic for any air cooled heatsink in other similar systems with P45 chipset with Intel Q9550.

Again the Zalman 9700 heat sink works great and is a great value for an all copper heat sink.
 

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you really think you're going to get 4.3GHz stable? :rolleyes:
Seems stable to me. Did you watch my movie?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN5j4Vk-QKY

OCCT seems to be the crowd pleaser so I'm going to work on that.


I havn't done the OCCT testing with my 4.3GHZ settings but soon i will and I think I may have to turn down my voltage settings a little but I do think I'll find the nice spot to go 4.3 GHZ on my system with the OCCT PSU CPU/GPU LinPack burn extreme test for at least 15 minutes to begin with like I did with my 3.8GHZ settings.
 

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:rolleyes:

Look at the screen shot above. My voltages are down to 1.328 volts for my system 3.8GHZ tune with idle temps with Real Temp 3.0 are 30-33-34-36 and full load OCCT PSU GPU/CPU Linpack extreme burn test hitting 62-62-60-60.
At idle. Idle temps and volts mean jack when discussing overclocking limits and stability. You should actually review the information you post or this conversation is going to be useless and one-sided. Let's refer back to this image, since all I have to work with is what you post: EDIT: He changed it, should have hosted it myself
Looks like your temps are 65-67C across all cores and you're using 1.44V (real) to get to only 6 hours stability. 1.45V is pretty much the ceiling for safe operation on a 45nm chip, but you think you're going to get 4.3GHz, another 500MHz, stable?

Those temps are fantastic for any air cooled heatsink in other similar systems with P45 chipset with Intel Q9550.

Again the Zalman 9700 heat sink works great and is a great value for an all copper heat sink.
No, they're average temps. With my Q6600 G0 (65nm chip, runs even hotter), my lapped TRUE with a 120mmx38mm Panaflo used to load at 58-60C @ 3.8GHz. The 9700 is a good air cooler, but it's nowhere near the best. And considering its price of $50+, it's ridiculous to call it a "great value." Here's a chart from one of FrostyTech's latest reviews, you can see where the 9700 stacks up - http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2430&page=5. One of the things to also consider is the ability of fan choice. On a TRUE and similar tower designs, you can choose your own fan. On the Zalman, you're stuck with theirs. The 120x38mm Panaflo I have is one of the best fans ever made IMO, due to it's incredible airflow/noise ratio and the pressure it produces. It gives temps 2-3C lower in my testing when compared to standard 120x25mm fans.
Seems stable to me. Did you watch my movie?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN5j4Vk-QKY

OCCT seems to be the crowd pleaser so I'm going to work on that.

I havn't done the OCCT testing with my 4.3GHZ settings but soon i will and I think I may have to turn down my voltage settings a little but I do think I'll find the nice spot to go 4.3 GHZ on my system with the OCCT PSU CPU/GPU LinPack burn extreme test for at least 15 minutes to begin with like I did with my 3.8GHZ settings.
10 minutes of a GPU benchmark hardly validates anything as being stable, never mind the CPU. However, I did notice that you were already pumping 1.472V through that chip when running that benchmark. Whether it was necessary or not, good luck having that chip last. Also, if the DFI motherboard utility is accurate at all, you should look into getting a new power supply soon. You have some significant droop on the 12V line, and nothing sucks more than losing a whole system to a bad PSU.

OP, sorry to go off on a tangent in your thread, but I hope some of this information helps your understanding of heat sinks and cooling and the important topics and pitfalls of both.
 
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You should actually review the information you post or this conversation is going to be useless and one-sided. Let's refer back to this image, since all I have to work with is what you post:

Looks like your temps are 65-67C across all cores and you're using 1.44V (real) to get to only 6 hours stability.

10 minutes of a GPU benchmark hardly validates anything as being stable, never mind the CPU......
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Please read the threads that I'm posting.

1. Youtube allows a maximum of 10 minutes per movie.
2. The Zalman 9700 is awesome.
3. Pay attention to the images I'm posting as they may help you understand my post.

:D
 

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Please read the threads that I'm posting.
I am, but you aren't. That's probably where that confusion comes from.
1. Youtube allows a maximum of 10 minutes per movie.
Then don't try to use it to prove stability
2. The Zalman 9700 is awesome.
Nope, it's good, nothing more, nothing less.
3. Pay attention to the images I'm posting as they may help you understand my post.
Changing your own images in an attempt to hide your lying just makes you look like a tool. EDIT: It's funny how you hosting the same image twice, but named it two very different names: http://minidriven.com/GreenMachine/gmslongtimeprime95temps.jpg and http://minidriven.com/GreenMachine/GMSOCCT15minutes.jpg especially because, interestingly enough, you aren't even running prime95 in that picture :rolleyes:. I'll have to screenshot it and host it myself next time. Anyway, if your best response is to be cheeky, then you have no response. You know you're lying, you don't have any results. Do this forum a favor and stop posting crap and misinformation when newcomers are trying to get some decent advice.

EDIT: Posted some evidence, just for future reference.
 
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Changing your own images just makes you look like a tool. I'll have to screenshot it and host it myself next time. Anyway, if your best response is to be cheeky, then you have no response. You know you're lying, you don't have any results. Do this forum a favor and stop posting crap and misinformation when newcomers are trying to get some decent advice.


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I changed the screen shot to help you out. You were not looking at my latest and greatest achievements with the Zalman 9700 LED heat sink.


Also if you are going to post screen shots from an OP then make sure you know that they are accurate.

I'll continue to show proof that the Zalman 9700 heat sink works marvelously.
 

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IYou know you're lying, you don't have any results. Do this forum a favor and stop posting crap and misinformation when newcomers are trying to get some decent advice.
:D

I have to lol about this comment.

I have no reason to lie. I posted a movie with my system running at 4.3GHZ performing well then a few people asked for more proof and I provided more proof that the Zalman 9700 heatsink is a great heat sink.


I'm no troll by any means and your behavior is out of line.
 

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I changed the screen shot to help you out. You were not looking at my latest and greatest achievements with the Zalman 9700 LED heat sink.
Also if you are going to post screen shots from an OP then make sure you know that they are accurate.
I'll continue to show proof that the Zalman 9700 heat sink works marvelously.
You changed it to hide your less than stellar 6 hour prime95 result, evidence posted. Go play games with someone who doesn't pay attention. And besides, you haven't shown anything that points to the 9700 as being anything more than a "decent" heat sink.
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I have to lol about this comment.
I have no reason to lie. I posted a movie with my system running at 4.3GHZ performing well then a few people asked for more proof and I provided more proof that the Zalman 9700 heatsink is a great heat sink.
I'm no troll by any means and your behavior is out of line.
Why? Because I called you out on the crap you post and you can't deliver any proof?
 

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You changed it to hide your less than stellar 6 hour prime95 result, evidence posted.
:rolleyes:


I changed it because you were posting mis information about my own post.


Now quit arguing with me.
 

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Or you can get the V10. It might not fit into your case. And it's reportedly pretty noisy. But darn will it get your chip cool! It's the TEC that gives it the edge. It's a hybrid air-tec cooler.



http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1736/cooler_master_v10_200_w_hybrid_t_e_c_cooler/index7.html

Megahalems looks to be the best air cooled heatsink when using the same 88 CFM fan according to benchmarkreviews.com. Although they did not test the IFX-14 in this roundup.



http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.p...k=view&id=285&Itemid=62&limit=1&limitstart=16
 
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The V10 is a decent cooler, but more so because of the TEC it uses. It's a great entry to TEC cooling if that's the way you want to go, just be aware of its drawbacks (like power usage and max wattage limits).
 
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