Largest Particle Collider Conducts Successful Test

Ockie said:
Please don't turn this thread into religion. He was using that expression in the same way as the scientists on the LHC are calling the particle that they are looking for "Gods particle"

It's an expression used to describe the seriousness of the situation (this could potentially be pandoras box)
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I know. :)

I tried though. :p
 
jroe52 said:
i still call bs on all this. who cares if there is universal theory... its not going to cure aids, cancer, or any other crazy shit.

i find this is like a new video card for l33t nerds that video cards are not even a concern for. will this stop americans from polluting the shit out their planet? will this stop the world from doing the same? will this stop kim il from ill?

meh... how do we know this is a bigger discovery then lets say atomic theory and dna? its like saying "oh if we new what "makes up dna" was made up of, then we could cure this or that"... but its not true. we cant even do less crazy shit yet.

meh rambling. 40bil beats the hell out of funding the war in iraq that has 0 humanitarian benefits and negative benefits aka costs. at least this would get the chair rolling... get it... chair.
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Actually the experiments planned for the LHC have some medical benefits you maybe didnt know of, their is speak of new types of hospital scanners being made because of this thing, to me that can only be a good thing since alot of the scanners we have now are imprecise and are toxic to the body either through the scanner itself or by a combination of drugs the patient needs to take for the scanners to produce the best results. So maybe in the not too distant future with the help of LHC, those new scanners may very well be the stepping stone to a cure for some of the diseases you speak of ? or at the very least further our understanding into how those diseases develop in the body without need for intrusive surgery or some toxic drug that some scanners need to get a clear picture with.
 
jroe52 said:
i still call bs on all this. who cares if there is universal theory... its not going to cure aids, cancer, or any other crazy shit.

i find this is like a new video card for l33t nerds that video cards are not even a concern for. will this stop americans from polluting the shit out their planet? will this stop the world from doing the same? will this stop kim il from ill?

meh... how do we know this is a bigger discovery then lets say atomic theory and dna? its like saying "oh if we new what "makes up dna" was made up of, then we could cure this or that"... but its not true. we cant even do less crazy shit yet.

meh rambling. 40bil beats the hell out of funding the war in iraq that has 0 humanitarian benefits and negative benefits aka costs. at least this would get the chair rolling... get it... chair.
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You apparently don't care.. Which is sad.

Science is everything, or haven't you noticed? You care so much about whats happening right now in the world but that wouldn't be without sceince and discovery... Things wouldn't change without it.


Hey guess what, one whom calls bs on any means to expand knowledge and understanding is??

Can you guess.. :p

Keep it to yourself though..
 
If they actually find Higgs boson, I'm getting one in a jar and selling it on eBay.
 
chrisf6969 said:
Some have said that a mini blackhole if created (and grew exponentially) could "eat the earth in 50 months".
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Well there you go! 2012... more or less. :D

When I heard that more serious collisions happen all the time in the form of cosmic rays, it kind of removed my fear about the whole thing. I say get on with it. I want my Star Trek stuff!!!
 
You wouldn't be using a computer now if particle acceleration tests had never been conducted.
Aside from that, perhaps the most important element of human nature is our desire to understand the world around us. It is very possible that these tests will lead to a better understanding of our existence and you cannot put a price on that.

I would go so far as to say the argument that the money, used to build the accelerator, could be better spent is a false dilemma. If I was to sidestep that logical fallacy for a second, why wouldn't this test take priority over say the war in Iraq or Afghanistan where the total funds needed to build and operate this project are spent every month.

The arguments against the particle accelerator all boil down to pseudoscience (mostly religion based) or ignorance.
 
On a more serious note, to the folks who have studied this kind of stuff: where did you get your degree? I'm a junior in high school and find this way more interesting then kinematics and stuff like that. Particle physics and string theory are where it's at!
 
More self studied.

Got every book I can find and just read read read.
Then read them again like five times.

My two favorites.
The Elegant Universe
The Fabric of the Cosmos

Both by Brian Green
 
leSLIe said:
indeed the fired the 2 beams in the two directions, there is gonna be some collisions before October 21st, i think the first real collision is gonna be on September 16th (i´ll have to get a confirmation on the date) but these collisions are gonna be at a much lower energy level, so no "blackhole" yet ;) :D

the real "Doomsday" collisions would be on October 21st!!!
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Oct 21st is my bday! so should make for an interesting one... maybe
 
Ste said:
More self studied.

Got every book I can find and just read read read.
Then read them again like five times.

My two favorites.
The Elegant Universe
The Fabric of the Cosmos

Both by Brian Green
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Thanks for the info.
 
They are worried about black holes from the LHC? Man, I'm more worried about the Annunaki and Nibiru showing up in 2012. How dare they attempt to replace my long held conspiracy theory beliefs.
 
Theres always room for more...

so they say.
Just think of it this way, the more you have, the more likely one is to happen. :p
 
word to that. ive read the elegent universe, even have the pbs tv version, but i havent picked up the fabric of the cosmos yet. how is it?

Ste said:
More self studied.

Got every book I can find and just read read read.
Then read them again like five times.

My two favorites.
The Elegant Universe
The Fabric of the Cosmos

Both by Brian Green
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Oh yea, I also have the Discovery TV series of the Elegant universe as well.

The book, Fabric of the cosmos, if you liked The Elegant universe then youll like this one even more.

Many of the same concepts and items are mentioned, but they are written about more, deeper explanations.
 
Anyone who thinks a micro black hole has the ability to destroy the planet is a fool.

Seriously. Shut up.
 
p4gs said:
Anyone who thinks a micro black hole has the ability to destroy the planet is a fool.

Seriously. Shut up.
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Actually the smaller a blackhole is the more potential for power it has. Basically the theory is that the more mass a backhole has the smaller it is because it has creates more gravity. I mean a blackhole is already the result of screwed up physics, something that the more powerful it becomes, the smaller it becomes. Super massive blackholes are actually really small at the center and have those nice disks of matter around them, clearing out space for light years around...like a galaxy. There are many different types of blackholes including the more common ones found around galaxies. These tend to be bigger, but with less wake of damage around them, there solar system maybe gone, but the don't draw in entire sectors of the galaxies.

Now creating a pin-sized blackhole is almost impossible, unless the drop a lot of energy and mass into that thing, they won't be doing that for a whole month. They are talking about a pin sized blackhole, which for its size does not contain a lot of mass, but builds mass by consuming any matter around. This, in our case would be the earth and anything on or in it. Again, the amount of mass and energy they would need to send through the LHC would be well, to be honest, more then what is on this earth, maybe Saturn or Jupiter have enough mass. To give you an example, the gravity of a blackhole greated with all the mass on eather, would A. have the same gravity as the earth and B. wouldn't be a blackhole for long because it wouldn't have the strength to sustain itself.
 
Draax said:
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Oh shit
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I knew it!
 
I'm sure it is. The guy probably doesn't even know how to use a torque wrench. From my experiences in several jobs, the high up guys love to get out there and look like they're doing work in front of the camera.

If you look at the pic, they're probably like "here you go sir, put the last bolt on this pipe shielding and smile for the camera." :p He's probably like, "what the hell is this, which way do I turn it?" lol
 
w1retap said:
I'm sure it is. The guy probably doesn't even know how to use a torque wrench.
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He does have quite the dainty grip on that torque wrench. I would wager one might even need to use a cheater bar to torque those down nice and snug. He could have at least posed like he was putting some elbow grease into it.
 
Draax said:
He does have quite the dainty grip on that torque wrench. I would wager one might even need to use a cheater bar to torque those down nice and snug. He could have at least posed like he was putting some elbow grease into it.
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his hand position would show that he is loosening the bolt, not tightening. he's gonna kill us all! :eek:
 
LOL at the chinstrap on his hard hat. If I had to wear that at work, I'd go insane.
Agreed on the apparent loosening of the bolt....you NEVER use a torque wrench to loosen a bolt, though. Maybe those crazy swedes used left handed threads on all their bolting.

I stand by my comments on micro black holes, I posted in the other thread on this topic. Cosmic rays are indeed more energetic than the protons produced here, but the KEY difference is that when a cosmic ray hits the atmosphere, it does not immediately come to rest when hitting the relatively stationary atomic nucleii. Think of it like this, a billard ball hitting another billard ball..energy is transferred from the moving billard ball to the stationary...both continue to move, and the kinetic energy is shared between the two objects. In the same way, cosmic rays have multiple collisions as they pass through the atmosphere. The jagged strokes of lightning are caused by these rays ionizing a conductive pathway for the return stroke current to follow as they ricochet through dozens of collisions.
The point of the LHC is to have two particles collide 'head on' at approximately the same velocity (energy) and have all that kinetic energy converted to mass. Too much mass in too small a volume and you get a black hole. This type of collision DOES NOT occur in the upper atmosphere, and folks who let this console them need to consider why is it that billard balls don't break or chip when they hit each other? Try rolling two together in a head on fashion and see what happens (hint, wear eye protection).

I really hope Hawking is right about 'Hawking' radiation. And I applaud scientific experimentation, in all its forms- except forms that can potentially destroy the world.
 
This thread is getting kind of cranky. Time for some naps? :p
 
EVIL-SCOTSMAN said:
But I doubt anything will happen then, I am more interested in what this new experiment can bring to the real world in terms of new technologies.

Roll on October :)
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Well to start with, we could build tiny little cars powered by the particles, and have microscopic demolition derbies! :D
 
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