DoubleSight DS-263N - 26"

I ordered mine through Amazon a few days ago and its coming from "Harrisburg, PA" apparently. Anyone else get theirs recently from this location and get/not get the polarizer?
 
Got mine from Newegg a few days ago. It has 1 dead pixel about 1 inch in from the right edge. Also has a lot more color shift than I expected when viewing from off angles. There's a pretty noticeable white glow too from off angles, even tho Newegg says it has a polarizer.

Also every so often it shows garbled mixed up nonsense which I can't fix unless I restart my Mac. I'd think this was a computer issue since I have to hard-reset my Mac when this happens. But it never happened with my old monitor.

I do my work on the Mac side. OS X has built-in software calibration which seems to work fine for me.
I use Windows for games, but everything is so purplish. Is there a way to fix that?
 
It looks like there's still a lottery then.



verylostindeed said:
Well, I just got a new one from Amazon after having one w/o a polarizer. And I must say, either this one also lacks the polarizer (ordered last week), or I'm seriously expecting too much from it.

There is still an evident white glow. It's difficult for me to know if it's more or less, but it appears to be there.
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Then it doesn't have the polarizer either. You're not expecting too much. With the polarizer, there isn't a white glow at all. It's not just less. It's completely gone. Trust me, you'd know the difference.
 
Sounds to me like they have some non-polarized left in stock at the warehouse they're trying to get rid of while they assemble more to ship out.
 
Can someone briefly explain to me what a polarizer does? I tried Googling but didn't find much. Thanks.
 
Amigalander said:
Also every so often it shows garbled mixed up nonsense which I can't fix unless I restart my Mac. I'd think this was a computer issue since I have to hard-reset my Mac when this happens. But it never happened with my old monitor.
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I have the same thing happen on my Windows PC, turning the monitor off and back on always fixes it.
 
It's something to do with your video card, did you try reinstalling the video card drivers.
 
verylostindeed said:
Well, I just got a new one from Amazon after having one w/o a polarizer. And I must say, either this one also lacks the polarizer (ordered last week), or I'm seriously expecting too much from it.

There is still an evident white glow. It's difficult for me to know if it's more or less, but it appears to be there.
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Which warehouse did both of them ship out from?
 
verylostindeed said:
The latest one from PA; not sure about the first.
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Doh, mine are shipping from the same location... wonder if its warehouse stocked for the same. Seems like its a lotto even within warehouses themselves.

Seriously though, those that do NOT have the polarizer, is it really that big of a deal? How often and in what conditions do you really notice the white glow?
 
I ordered mine from Amazon over the weekend and it arrived Wednesday from the Harrisburg, PA warehouse. I'm quite sure it has the polarizer as theres no white glow at all and can see red and green very slighty when viewing it from angles.
 
BigJuan86 said:
I ordered mine from Amazon over the weekend and it arrived Wednesday from the Harrisburg, PA warehouse. I'm quite sure it has the polarizer as theres no white glow at all and can see red and green very slighty when viewing it from angles.
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SAWEET, that's one for my side thank you BigJuna86, and maybe one not for my side but I'm not sure as they aren't sure (post above a few posts)... I feel like I'm in some sort of sporting contest, only I won't get to know who wins until I take 22 hours of flights half way back around the world to view the "ticket" (I'm in China atm and return home in two weeks, but I bought them when I could due to the stocking issues), hehe.

Keep the reports coming in everyone. I'm compiling a list of all warehouses, who got what from where and when.
 
DoubleSight should do what BenQ did, offer up a user review with the reviewer to keep the LCD. Considering how popular their panel is thanks to this forum (not just this thread, but primarily)

:D come on DoubleSight! youre out of stock everywhere now.
 
Well, i decided to either get the Dell 3008wfp (IPS) or the Gateway XHD3000 (PVA), thanks all great forum. If you have more money to blow i'd recommend looking at these two monitors.
 
I got my Doublesight DS-263N from buy.com a few days ago on Tuesday. I'm unsure if I have the polarizer. On a full black screen I see a red tint when looking off to the sides(which I've heard was the cause of the polarizer), but I also see a white glow too. The viewing angles weren't as great as I was expecting so I am wondering if I don't have the polarizer. Or am I just expecting too much?

Everything is calibrated, and the backlight seems very uniform when looking dead on, brightness is as low as it goes. When looking dead on a full black screen there is still some light that bleeds through. Could that be the cause of the glow? Does anyone have a link to the full size earth picture Toasty was using to compare monitors?

Other than the polarizer question, I love my monitor. Came with no dead pixels, its a thousand times better than my old 19 inch LCD monitor. The colors are fantastic. The response is great, I don't notice much ghosting in FPSs. It is nice to be able to see much more of any game, which lets you react faster. Just wish the black level was better for viewing some movies.
 
I got mine a week ago from Buy.com, and I'm pretty sure it has the polarizer - I see orange to one side and green to the other on a black screen.

However, I have one dead red subpixel in the lower right (shows as cyan), and a strip along the bottom left is slightly darker. Given people's recent experience how likely is an RMA on those issues?

Also I need to get a different stand - the one that comes with isn't tall enough and gets in the way of a keyboard when propped up.
 
I bought the DS based on what I read in this thread. Got mine from Amazon's Harrisburg, PA warehouse on Wednesday. Only one partially dead pixel (shows up red on a white background, can't see it unless I hunt for it), but I don't think it has the polarizer, since there's a very noticeable white glow at off angles. The only time really bothers me is playing TeamFortress 2 when there's a lot of contrast between a large light area and a large dark area -- for example, looking out of a tunnel into the sunlight. I see a lot less glow from below, so tilting the monitor up helped a lot. The manual claims I can raise and lower it, but I wasn't able to.

Quality-wise, the image is amazing. I'm coming from a seven year old Viewsonic G90f 19" CRT, so it's a huge step up for me. I run at 1440x900 since I have bad eyesight and like larger text. The colors are very vivid. I don't see any ghosting. I'm very sensitive to lag (returned a Westinghouse L2410NM last year after trying it and being unable to play TF2 properly), but this monitor has none that I can notice. Haven't tried setting the CRT up next to it for a comparison and honestly haven't felt the need to.

One thing that I haven't heard mentioned here is how nicely the monitor is packaged. It ships attached to the stand and covered with a plastic bag. There are four big styrofoam pieces in the box. It's all very easy to get out. The cables (several of them!) sit on top of the styrofoam. It would be very easy to package up again, unlike the Westy, which was nearly impossible to get back in the box.

I haven't decided yet whether I'm going to return it to get one with the polarizer. On the one hand, it's pretty nice as it is, and I sure don't want to go back to a CRT. On the other hand, seven hundred bucks is a lot of money to spend on a second-rate model, and since I'd be using the thing for years another month or two of waiting wouldn't be so bad. Another post on this thread said that all future DS-263s will ship with the polarizer; has anyone been able to confirm that?
 
spooksmcgee said:
Does anyone know what a polarizer does?
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If you read the forums instead of jumping to questions you'd know :p. It's all in here, just scroll back a few pages and do the research.

AdamH said:
Another post on this thread said that all future DS-263s will ship with the polarizer; has anyone been able to confirm that?
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It's a panel lottery right now... no one is sure (except Newegg apparently considering they state the monitors come with the polarizer). They may all still be getting rid of old stock... well, that's 1 against me again for PA :(. Dang.
 
I might have found a seller, is there something I can pass onto the seller so I am guaranteed a polarizer? Like a specific model number, location, etc?
 
So I received my DS-263N from Amazon and it has NO dead pixels, but it also doesn't have the polarizer. I am debating whether or not to chance my luck again. What should I do? Should I risk getting another one that may or may not have a polarizer and dead pixels? Or keep the one I have without any dead/stuck pixels and no polarizer.

The white glow is very noticeable.. :(
 
Kev1000000 said:
So I received my DS-263N from Amazon and it has NO dead pixels, but it also doesn't have the polarizer. I am debating whether or not to chance my luck again. What should I do? Should I risk getting another one that may or may not have a polarizer and dead pixels? Or keep the one I have without any dead/stuck pixels and no polarizer.

The white glow is very noticeable.. :(
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Where was it shipped from and about when please.
 
Shipped from PA, I ordered a week ago. The monitor looks GREAT though. The stupid white glow is the only thing that is keeping me from absolutely loving this thing.

Xbox 360 looks great on it btw.
 
Kev1000000 said:
Shipped from PA, I ordered a week ago. The monitor looks GREAT though. The stupid white glow is the only thing that is keeping me from absolutely loving this thing.

Xbox 360 looks great on it btw.
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Dang, looks like mine are probably non-polarized then too. How bad is the white glow in a low light, high light room light levels, when something is displayed on it vs. just a blank black screen, as well as looking directly at the monitors versus on the sides...
 
Berek Halfhand said:
Dang, looks like mine are probably non-polarized then too. How bad is the white glow in a low light, high light room light levels, when something is displayed on it vs. just a blank black screen, as well as looking directly at the monitors versus on the sides...
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The glow isnt bad at all when viewed directly. However, it is pretty noticeable on dark material at an angle.

I am not sure if I should just live with it. It is the only real negative I have with the monitor. Everything else is almost perfect.
 
Actually, I am having one problem with it. It wont wake up from sleep mode. Anyone else have this issue?
 
I'm having trouble finding the cons about this monitor.

Are there any, besides the crap stand?
 
lobski said:
I'm having trouble finding the cons about this monitor.

Are there any, besides the crap stand?
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Surprisingly, without bias since I don't have the monitor myself yet, there aren't many. It really is a great monitor according to almost everyone!

The largest problems are:

1) White haze inherent in non-polarized IPS panels (not a huge deal unless you're off angle and in a dark room).

2) Dead/stuck pixels (which any monitor is capable of producing, unfortunately).

3) Low contrast, so you aren't going to get the incredible blacks. NO LCD does perfect blacks anyway, so as long as you aren't too anal about having absolute blacks, you can live with "slightly gray" blacks. This will be most evident in movies probably, and some games perhaps.

4) Some sort of lines you can see, barely, when looking really close, on a gray background.

5) And yes, the stand and overall cheap build (but again, it works and how often are you going to mess with your monitors positioning, so who cares here too).

That's literally all I've found, nothing more in any major significance. That is why I am excited, because when researching things like this you will often find more "bad" things because people tend to complain about the problems, and every product ultimately will have those bad batches. Yet its minimal here (one reason could be the lack of supply and such, but even so...).
 
Berek Halfhand said:
3) Low contrast, so you aren't going to get the incredible blacks. NO LCD does perfect blacks anyway, so as long as you aren't too anal about having absolute blacks, you can live with "slightly gray" blacks. This will be most evident in movies probably, and some games perhaps.
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Speaking in general here (I haven't used this monitor either), the big problem with LCDs and blacks comes from those those cannot produce black detail and simply show all of the different shades of black as the same "gray" color.
 
Relentence said:
Speaking in general here (I haven't used this monitor either), the big problem with LCDs and blacks comes from those those cannot produce black detail and simply show all of the different shades of black as the same "gray" color.
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Which I believe this monitor does well on I think. I've seen some reports where, while the contrast is somewhat low, details are still really good in the regard you are talking about.

Edit: Btw, some have been saying it's a 25.5" panel, yet everywhere I see advertisements for 26"... a small difference to be sure, but what is it really?

Edit again: Isn't the NEC LCD2690WUXi using the same panel? Newegg references this monitor with a 25.5" viewing area:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&Subcategory=20&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=

I am just wondering because I want as much pixel density as I can get. 25.5" should be slightly better at this than a true 26", since they both have the same resolution. This also brings me to wonder what my original Dell 2405WFP 24" was really... 24.1", 23.9"...!

Edit again again: Why is Planar advertising 1000 contrast ratio on their PX2611W, when again that has the same panel as the NEC and the Doublesight here?:

http://www.planar.com/products/flatpanel_monitors/px_flatpanel/px2611w.cfm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824016084
 
Berek Halfhand said:
Surprisingly, without bias since I don't have the monitor myself yet, there aren't many. It really is a great monitor according to almost everyone!

The largest problems are:

1) White haze inherent in non-polarized IPS panels (not a huge deal unless you're off angle and in a dark room).

2) Dead/stuck pixels (which any monitor is capable of producing, unfortunately).

3) Low contrast, so you aren't going to get the incredible blacks. NO LCD does perfect blacks anyway, so as long as you aren't too anal about having absolute blacks, you can live with "slightly gray" blacks. This will be most evident in movies probably, and some games perhaps.

4) Some sort of lines you can see, barely, when looking really close, on a gray background.

5) And yes, the stand and overall cheap build (but again, it works and how often are you going to mess with your monitors positioning, so who cares here too).

That's literally all I've found, nothing more in any major significance. That is why I am excited, because when researching things like this you will often find more "bad" things because people tend to complain about the problems, and every product ultimately will have those bad batches. Yet its minimal here (one reason could be the lack of supply and such, but even so...).
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More cons:

6) does not work with a number of Motorola set top boxes (DCT3412, for example)

7) has issues waking up from sleep for some

8) small amount of back light bleed in the upper right corner

9) OSD "joystick" kind of sucks, although it is not often used

Even with these things (and I have the DCT3412), I still think it is a fantastic monitor
 
I haven't found a lot of cons:

1. The white glow.
2. Contrast not quite as good as a CRT, but still very good and would be better if I could get rid of the glow.
3. Widescreen makes reading some web sites awkward since lines of text are a lot longer.
4. The size takes some getting used to. At first I was slightly embarassed by how big it was. I'm not kidding, it's really that huge.

I don't have a problem with lines (can't see 'em) or the stand (does what I want it to). The OSD "joystick" could be better, but the key to using it is to realize that it's not a joystick, it's a D-pad -- you don't tilt the stick, you push down on one side of the top.
 
If anyone has ordered from Amazon within the last 2 weeks, could you please post if you have received one with the polarizer? I am thinking of exchanging mine if other people have gotten the polarizer from Amazon.
 
Berek Halfhand said:
Edit: Btw, some have been saying it's a 25.5" panel, yet everywhere I see advertisements for 26"... a small difference to be sure, but what is it really?
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The LCD viewing area is 25.5 inches diagonal according to my tape measure. I don't know why it's called 26", since most of the 26" monitors I see on NewEgg call themselves 25.5". It's probably just marketing.
 
I received my 2nd panel (first had defects reported here) from Amazon (Harrisburg, PA) two days ago. I just set it up to test it last night. Here are my findings using Toasty's default monitor settings without the profile:

  • This panel has the polarizer
  • 0 stuck/dead pixels
  • lagom gamma: 1.8/2.1/2.1. I can get the first gamma bar near 2.2 by turning contrast to 25%, but light gray starts to shade towards purple.
  • inversion test: 4a/4b flicker noticeably, 2a/2b have very minor flicker, and the icon for the inversion test at the top flickers
  • Sharpness test: blends smoothly around 12-15 feet away. The center circle is lighter than the background
  • White test: the last few boxes are really hard to see if not completely white.

My last panel with the electrical issues gave me similar results on these tests. I don't recall if the #2 images flickered at all on that panel but otherwise the rest is identical.

I'd say I got a pretty good screen, but I need some assistance setting it up properly. When you install a profile does your system require a reboot? I have a pretty good eye for color, but when I loaded Toasty's profile from this thread, there was no perceptible difference on the desktop or in Photoshop. I know Photoshop recognized that I had a profile in the first place, because initially I loaded the flawed one from DS and it gave me grief about it.

If I can get some help with ICC profiles within Windows and Photoshop proper I'd appreciate it. Right now my panel displays things skewed toward the light end of the spectrum and I'd like to balance it out, as apparently many of you have. I use the RGB color space frequently in PS, CMYK on occasion. Neither looks right at the moment but I don't know how to tweak the settings to get the most accurate results.

Thanks!
 
Amazon now has one DS-263N in stock, but the price has gone up to $760. :-( I think I'm going to return mine, but I don't know where I'm going to get one with the polarizer.
 
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