PC Games going Bye Bye

[Ethug]

Gee, that's not at all what anyone has been saying. Read the threads: people are saying PC GAMING IS DEAD or DYING OMG. Now if you want to move the goalposts and change the tone, and say that the future of gaming will lead on consoles, not on the PC, that's a different argument, and one that you seem to be the only one making.

My responses are to the hysterical morons saying PC gaming is dead, so don't pretend people aren't saying that, and haven't been blabbing that during this entire thread.

No, what you're arguing is the most feeble of semantics. If in 5 years time only 3 games were released on the PC per year you would sit and scream "THE PC ISN'T DEAD! LOOK IT STILL HAS GAMES!".

For the rest of us, lack of variety and selection IS death, and the PC is dying.

As an aside, the PC online market is being crushed by hacking as well. Unless you have a private server with always present admins, its simply not worth playing online.

It wasn't all that long ago that valve killed 10,000 accounts at once for cheats in CS:S, everyone then pretended CS:S was suddenly clean, and yet there are any range of hacks still being used. Its a complete waste of time, with no enjoyment.

Quake 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkz69DGV5g
CS:S http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMY64RK58mw

There are apparently working Quake Wars hacks already.

Etc...

 

[Technoob]

So because people cheat in PC games, and you don't like Counterstrike, pc gaming is dead. Got it.

You're right, we need console games where nobody cheats like Halo2.

 

[Ethug]

So because people cheat in PC games, and you don't like Counterstrike, pc gaming is dead. Got it.

You're right, we need console games where nobody cheats like Halo2.

You have a singular knack for missing qualifiers like "as an aside". Perhaps we should schedule some time at the Sylvan Learning Centers for you, I hear they work wonders.

The fact is that comparable to PC hacking, the number of cheaters in online console games is miniscule, and it takes a lot of time and effort to cheat in a console game.

(Miniscule is one of those words they can help you with at Sylvan).

 

[McClintoc]

For the rest of us, lack of variety and selection IS death, and the PC is dying.

lol, what are you talking about? no matter if you are on a pc or console, your choices are: action, role playing, puzzles, sports/racing, strategy and fps. pc's and consoles both have plenty of variety. you think pc gaming is dying simply because it doesn't have as many over-all titles as consoles? that being the case, how truely different is one racing game or football game or fps from one another on any console?

 

[Ethug]

lol, what are you talking about? no matter if you are on a pc or console, your choices are: action, role playing, puzzles, sports/racing, strategy and fps. pc's and consoles both have plenty of variety. you think pc gaming is dying simply because it doesn't have as many over-all titles as consoles? that being the case, how truely different is one racing game or football game or fps from one another on any console?

No, I think its dying because as reflected earlier in this thread, the numbers clearly reflect that.

 

[Technoob]

You have a singular knack for missing qualifiers like "as an aside". Perhaps we should schedule some time at the Sylvan Learning Centers for you, I hear they work wonders.

The fact is that comparable to PC hacking, the number of cheaters in online console games is miniscule, and it takes a lot of time and effort to cheat in a console game.

(Miniscule is one of those words they can help you with at Sylvan).

Did you move on from making 23k at gamestop to being a full time tutor in junior high math at Sylvan?

Keep moving the goalposts, changing your little rants, and continue to be wrong.

 

[Ethug]

Did you move on from making 23k at gamestop to being a full time tutor in junior high math at Sylvan?

Keep moving the goalposts, changing your little rants, and continue to be wrong.

Actually it was plenty shitty at EB making only 35. But then you think I'm talking about math as I point out vocabularly words, so I suppose you either aren't keeping track or it is just going right over your head. We can work with that though, I'm patient.

ps: Insisting someone is wrong...won't actually MAKE them wrong. Only the facts can determine right or wrong, and you have presented none of those.

 

[Technoob]

ps: Insisting someone is wrong...won't actually MAKE them wrong.

You're right, its your responses in this thread that have shown how wrong you are, not anything I have or haven't said.

 

[Ethug]

You're right, its your responses in this thread that have shown how wrong you are, not anything I have or haven't said.

I have logical arguments, practical experience in the subject being discussed, back up data reflecting sales....you have nothing but rude comments.

You're floundering, you have no insight, and no ability to present a worthwhile argument other than you see things how you want to see them.

This is not a discussion, it's me pushing your face into the mud over and over again to the point I'm now bored. I'll let you have the infamous "last word" here because guess what? The market will continue to slowly collapse as people do nothing but play MMORPGs.

I am, as I said before, very patient.

 

[Obi_Kwiet]

No, what you're arguing is the most feeble of semantics. If in 5 years time only 3 games were released on the PC per year you would sit and scream "THE PC ISN'T DEAD! LOOK IT STILL HAS GAMES!".

For the rest of us, lack of variety and selection IS death, and the PC is dying.

As an aside, the PC online market is being crushed by hacking as well. Unless you have a private server with always present admins, its simply not worth playing online.

It wasn't all that long ago that valve killed 10,000 accounts at once for cheats in CS:S, everyone then pretended CS:S was suddenly clean, and yet there are any range of hacks still being used. Its a complete waste of time, with no enjoyment.

Quake 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkz69DGV5g
CS:S http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMY64RK58mw

There are apparently working Quake Wars hacks already.

Etc...

It's not hard to find a server with some decent admins. Besides fewer amount of hackers on consoles are more than offset by the squeaking 13 year olds.

I don't see how an decrease in PC game sales proves anything, other than the fact that it's becoming a bit of a niche. With popular MMO's like WoW, sales are on the rise again, maybe not to 1999 levels, but still on the rise.

The fact is, in 1999, anyone who plays games now had a PC then and probably played PC games. On the other hand there were way fewer people with consoles. Understandably too, since PC was the only place to get multiplayer and graphics better than what the Play Station 1 could put out.

Consoles have more penetration, and there fore more market value, but that doesn't mean that every dev. will suddenly turn on a billion plus dollar industry. No one will turn their back on a billions dollar of potential revenue, especially with competition on the console arena being as hot as it is. There will plenty of developers there to pick up slack on PC genres because they simply don't have the money to try to compete with franchises like Halo and Gear of War.

 

[Technoob]

I have logical arguments, practical experience in the subject being discussed, back up data reflecting sales....you have nothing but rude comments.

You're floundering, you have no insight, and no ability to present a worthwhile argument other than you see things how you want to see them.

This is not a discussion, it's me pushing your face into the mud over and over again to the point I'm now bored. I'll let you have the infamous "last word" here because guess what? The market will continue to slowly collapse as people do nothing but play MMORPGs.

I am, as I said before, very patient.

When the search function returns, you can read all of the old threads where people made the same idiotic arguments you have here. I'll let this die now, just like the other 10,000 "pc gamze dying lol" threads.

 

[GPUCommando]

I have logical arguments, practical experience in the subject being discussed, back up data reflecting sales....you have nothing but rude comments.

You're floundering, you have no insight, and no ability to present a worthwhile argument other than you see things how you want to see them.

This is not a discussion, it's me pushing your face into the mud over and over again to the point I'm now bored. I'll let you have the infamous "last word" here because guess what? The market will continue to slowly collapse as people do nothing but play MMORPGs.

I am, as I said before, very patient.

I've read several of your posts on the last few pages, and you seem to be leaning towards a dislike for PC's and PC games. You made a clear argument about the decline of the PC gaming industry - that was rational, btw. You made some good points. However, your incendiary language which enhances your argument unnecessarily seems to indicate a slight prejudice. If this is so, why?

 

[xerus`]

I like toortles :I

 

[Eagle156]

I like toortles :I

Toortles like cookies.

 

[Ethug]

I've read several of your posts on the last few pages, and you seem to be leaning towards a dislike for PC's and PC games. You made a clear argument about the decline of the PC gaming industry - that was rational, btw. You made some good points. However, your incendiary language which enhances your argument unnecessarily seems to indicate a slight prejudice. If this is so, why?

If you re-read carefully you'll see I was as polite as anyone until Tech decided to shit on me, and even then I've remained perfectly polite to everyone else.

I don't know why you think I have some dislike for PC games, I enjoy games of all types, PC and otherwise. I simply don't ignore the facts. Perhaps I'm more passionate about the subject as I've seen PC games disappearing from key retailers and know exactly what it indicates, having managed one of those stores. You would be suprised how precisely EB measured sales, trends, consumer interest, etc.

If there is anything I hate it's cheating, and PC online games are drowning in that right now. I'm sorry if that's reflected improperly.

 

[GPUCommando]

If you re-read carefully you'll see I was as polite as anyone until Tech decided to shit on me, and even then I've remained perfectly polite to everyone else.

I don't know why you think I have some dislike for PC games, I enjoy games of all types, PC and otherwise. I simply don't ignore the facts. Perhaps I'm more passionate about the subject as I've seen PC games disappearing from key retailers and know precisely what it indicates, having managed one of those stores. You would be suprised how precisely EB measured sales, trends, consumer interest, etc.

If there is anything I hate it's cheating, and PC online games are drowning in that right now. I'm sorry if that's reflected improperly.

I see. As long as good games are still being made that should be bottom line. I love my machine and building them, but if the time comes that its not feasible to build one for gaming, then so be it. I'll always love and respect the enthusiast community no matter what though.

 

[altcon]

All I was implying in my intial post is that it's getting harder to go out and buy games, and if you ask around - a slowing down in the PC gaming inustry is implied.
I'm pretty sure PC Games will be around as long as PC's are built.
BUT, the amount of titles and the amount of $$ poured into that industry seems to be changing.
Whoever figured so many titles would be PS3, XBOX360 only launches? I sure didn't .
GTA IV? Mybe later for PC...
HALO 3? I dunno.....
Right now I'm in anticipation of one new game (Crysis), where a year or two back I could always look forward to three or more titles.
I feel the change in the wind, I just hope it's a temporary one.

 

[Netrat33]

No, what you're arguing is the most feeble of semantics. If in 5 years time only 3 games were released on the PC per year you would sit and scream "THE PC ISN'T DEAD! LOOK IT STILL HAS GAMES!".

For the rest of us, lack of variety and selection IS death, and the PC is dying.

As an aside, the PC online market is being crushed by hacking as well. Unless you have a private server with always present admins, its simply not worth playing online.

.

I've posted already a link with a massive list of games coming for PC which most are exclusive and of many different genres. That's not 3 games. If you want to ignore that list, that's your problem. PCs, just like consoles, have really only a handful of games that are AAA titles that get a lot of press surrounded by a bunch of other titles that no one really knows that many are good. So yes It still has games and will always have games.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/23/technology/23gaming.html?ex=1183953600&en=cbf7d2c90411df3d&ei=5070

She noted that these figures do not include revenue generated by PC game sales online

 

[Technoob]

All I was implying in my intial post is that it's getting harder to go out and buy games, and if you ask around - a slowing down in the PC gaming inustry is implied.
I'm pretty sure PC Games will be around as long as PC's are built.
BUT, the amount of titles and the amount of $$ poured into that industry seems to be changing.
Whoever figured so many titles would be PS3, XBOX360 only launches? I sure didn't .
GTA IV? Mybe later for PC...
HALO 3? I dunno.....
Right now I'm in anticipation of one new game (Crysis), where a year or two back I could always look forward to three or more titles.
I feel the change in the wind, I just hope it's a temporary one.

Crysis
Hellgate: London
Starcraft 2
World of Warcraft
Spore

So many great games leading on the PC that if they do come to consoles, will be ports much later.

Not to mention so many games that just aren't on consoles...great games like Neverwinter nights.

 

[Netrat33]

Crysis
Hellgate: London
Starcraft 2
World of Warcraft
Spore

So many great games leading on the PC that if they do come to consoles, will be ports much later.

Not to mention so many games that just aren't on consoles...great games like Neverwinter nights.

adding on
Quake Wars
Alan Wake
LoTR
The Witcher
Guildwars
Sam and Max


I mean I can keep going but if you don't like a lot of the big names coming up then that's YOUR problem. And I do think consoles will actually help the games to come to PC too with the xbox360.

Bioshock
Assassin's Creed
Lost Planet
Devil May Cry 4
Unreal 3
Jericho

I mean, seriously, get over the PC gaming is dying

 

[Ethug]

adding on
Quake Wars
Alan Wake
LoTR
The Witcher
Guildwars
Sam and Max


I mean I can keep going but if you don't like a lot of the big names coming up then that's YOUR problem. And I do think consoles will actually help the games to come to PC too with the xbox360.

Bioshock
Assassin's Creed
Lost Planet
Devil May Cry 4
Unreal 3
Jericho

I mean, seriously, get over the PC gaming is dying

lol. you've listed console games being PORTED to PC in there. Hello?

 

[JohnleMVP]

I think thats his point. I think he's saying that since the 360 makes porting games easier that more games that normally wouldn't come to pc will like some of the games he listed.

 

[xerus`]

...if Unreal Tournament 3 was designed for consoles and ported to PC, then just kick me in the crotch now.

 

[Technoob]

lol. you've listed console games being PORTED to PC in there. Hello?

Maybe you should ...read? He specifically mentioned that those were 360 games moving to the PC.

"And I do think consoles will actually help the games to come to PC too with the xbox360."

 

[thedarklord]

...if Unreal Tournament 3 was designed for consoles and ported to PC, then just kick me in the crotch now.

Neh, I think Netrat33's reply was kinda odd in that last line (maybe I misunderstood it at first too), but in the end he means "PC Gaming aint dying".

-- Edit

Opps. Kick me in the crotch now too. I re-read the reply and UT3 = Unreal Engine 3 = Made for Consoles? Mmmhmm....

 

[Ethug]

Maybe you should ...read? He specifically mentioned that those were 360 games moving to the PC.

"And I do think consoles will actually help the games to come to PC too with the xbox360."

Sloppy seconds only prove my point. THAT is the funny.

Let me clarify for you here: The over-riding sentiment of many of you is that the PC doesn't need help. Now, mysteriously, we are drifting into ports, and the PC by his own words getting "help". Whos keeping up?

So, are you now looking forward to what are console games? If thats the case, buy the console! Much less expensive in the long run, I assure you.

 

[Godofdestrcution]

http://www.dfcint.com/game_article/may07article.html

Worldwide online pc game market for 2006 was 4.5 billion.

Console market?

If anything is going bye bye it's the consoles you worship.

 

[Godofdestrcution]

Sloppy seconds only prove my point. THAT is the funny.

Let me clarify for you here: The over-riding sentiment of many of you is that the PC doesn't need help. Now, mysteriously, we are drifting into ports, and the PC by his own words getting "help". Whos keeping up?

So, are you now looking forward to what are console games? If thats the case, buy the console! Much less expensive in the long run, I assure you.

His point was that you can get the same console games on a pc. And not just 3 games.

Your either a fanboy or an idiot, take your pick. Either way, you've been owned, now move along.

 

[Ethug]

http://www.dfcint.com/game_article/may07article.html

Worldwide online pc game market for 2006 was 4.5 billion.

Console market?

If anything is going bye bye it's the consoles you worship.

I don't know why you think I have some dislike for PC games, I enjoy games of all types, PC and otherwise.

I dont even OWN a console. Since you want to bring the word "Owned" into it. Your DFC link is only proving exactly what I've been talking about. Its a lot of people playing games online like WoW. Its not driving the market. You have a few companies hording cash while the rest of the market collapses around them.

I don't know why you cant understand the concept that playing that MMORPG for 5 years and never buy anything else will destroy the market. Revenue is a big flashing light which is ALL you are pointing to, wake up. You're backing the short term money grab by companies keeping people addicted to WoW and other slobbering monotony "games".

 

[Godofdestrcution]

Once again, read the link.

The link doesn't refer to just MMOs, but digital distribution, like Steam, EA LInk, Gametap, etc, which all have millions of subscribers last I checked.

PC gaming isn't dying, it's changing. It's all moving online.

 

[Ethug]

Once again, read the link.

The link doesn't refer to just MMOs, but digital distribution, like Steam, EA LInk, Gametap, etc, which all have millions of subscribers last I checked.

PC gaming isn't dying, it's changing. It's all moving online.

Its all moving online, yet theres really only one game people are looking forward to on the PC this year to make their $600 video card seem worthwhile: Crysis.

Where are the titles? Why aren't PC players raving about X game one week, and Y game another?

People are pointing out Spore and Starcraft 2 for Christ's sake, games not out till mid and END of next year (If starcraft 2 actually makes that).

It should be pointed out that "digital distribution of games" includes little things like the xbox 360 and PS3..not just the PC, and theres no breakdown between the two (convenient) in your link. But then, only a "fanboy" would point that out.

 

[Luthorcrow]

You do realize this is a thread that gets post in gaming forums every 6 months for almost as long as gaming forums have been on the WWW.:eek:

Shouldn't there be a spam block on threads with titles like this?

 

[tacticus]

Its all moving online, yet theres really only one game people are looking forward to on the PC this year to make their $600 video card seem worthwhile: Crysis.

Where are the titles? Why aren't PC players raving about X game one week, and Y game another?

People are pointing out Spore and Starcraft 2 for Christ's sake, games not out till mid and END of next year (If starcraft 2 actually makes that).

...
you do know that not everyone spends 600 on a video card.

hell games i am looking forward to are
crysis
graw2 (even if it is only a bastardisation of the original gr)
more updates to insurgency
hl2 ep2


what i plan to playing for the next while
insurgency
civ4
gal civ2
sup com
hl2
farcry
hl2ep1
hell i might even go play hl1

people have given you a significant number of games coming out for the pc yet you dont see that

you think eb == pc gaming but hell you would be wrong

pc gaming is going online for everything

shops are old news


A console will not see the next CS
it will not see people making texture packs for games that are years old
it will not have games like soldat coming out for it

for the simple reason it is a closed environment.

 

[Ethug]

...
you do know that not everyone spends 600 on a video card.

hell games i am looking forward to are
crysis
graw2 (even if it is only a bastardisation of the original gr)
more updates to insurgency
hl2 ep2


what i plan to playing for the next while
insurgency
civ4
gal civ2
sup com
hl2
farcry
hl2ep1
hell i might even go play hl1

people have given you a significant number of games coming out for the pc yet you dont see that

you think eb == pc gaming but hell you would be wrong

pc gaming is going online for everything

shops are old news

I can't say you're helping the "PC isn't dying" arguement.

Games you're looking forward to: 3 in total..one of which I already named as "the one game everyone wants" etc etc

One mod/conversion of a pre-existing game, you get zero points there.

Games you're currently playing: Absolutely nothing new?

Are you sure you aren't on my side? C'mon..you can just say, don't be so coy.

 

[tacticus]

I can't say you're helping the "PC isn't dying" arguement.

Games you're looking forward to: 3 in total..one of which I already named as "the one game everyone wants" etc etc

One mod/conversion of a pre-existing game, you get zero points there.

Games you're currently playing: Absolutely nothing new?

Are you sure you aren't on my side? C'mon..you can just say, don't be so coy.

Mods are one of the biggest fucking factors around

they extend the life of all games that get modded
look at the extra content for a game like morrowind or HL or TA or SUP COM
Mods are the reason that PC gaming will always be here. actually Mods, Sims, RTS games and FPS games that dont have aimbots

oh forgot to put arma in there i eagerly await my trackir to get into that game again
oh and defcon not "new" by your defination but still fun


GAMES DO NOT NEED TO BE NEW
they just need to be good.

TA is still played today
Star Craft is still played today (nfi why though )
Duke Nukem 3d is still played today
ET:W is still played today
Doom2 is still played today

find me a console that can do that?

 

[Ethug]

GAMES DO NOT NEED TO BE NEW
they just need to be good.

TA is still played today
Star Craft is still played today (nfi why though )
Duke Nukem 3d is still played today
ET:W is still played today
Doom2 is still played today

find me a console that can do that?

You're on my side and don't even know it! Quite amazing actually. Please, keep posting about how people can play old things for eons and hardly ever buy new.

 

[tacticus]

You're on my side and don't even know it! Quite amazing actually. Please, keep posting about how people can play old things for eons and hardly ever buy new.

Because people are playing new stuff all the time

Mods == New Content, New Game Styles, New Games

Whoever heard of mixing an rts and an fps before natural selection?

the PC gaming area has a huge number of mods out there and a huge number of games that you will never hear of but will propergate around.

this is new content.
this counts as new games

some developers are scared of this so they push crap to the consoles where they have control

other developers know that putting a game out and the sdk and then having 500,000 people buy it to play a mod still means people buying it.

they know that they can afford to keep making new content for it because of the mods extending its period of ROI

i like how you are not going to respond to all of this comment you will just ignore the parts that disagree with you

 

[Godofdestrcution]

You're on my side and don't even know it! Quite amazing actually. Please, keep posting about how people can play old things for eons and hardly ever buy new.

My god your an idiot.

People still play nothing but Super Mario Bros.

Some people do nothing but collect old school games.

Does that mean the whole console buis is collapsing?

BTW, sales of online console item are a palty small amount compared to sales of pc digital distribution.

 

[Ethug]

Because people are playing new stuff all the time

Mods == New Content, New Game Styles, New Games

Whoever heard of mixing an rts and an fps before natural selection?

the PC gaming area has a huge number of mods out there and a huge number of games that you will never hear of but will propergate around.

this is new content.
this counts as new games

some developers are scared of this so they push crap to the consoles where they have control

other developers know that putting a game out and the sdk and then having 500,000 people buy it to play a mod still means people buying it.

they know that they can afford to keep making new content for it because of the mods extending its period of ROI

i like how you are not going to respond to all of this comment you will just ignore the parts that disagree with you

The parts that disagree with me? LOL. Unless a mod is charged for it does NOTHING for the marketplace. Your entire "mods are new content that keep people playing" arguement....thats the part working for ME.

"other developers know that putting a game out and the sdk and then having 500,000 people buy it to play a mod still means people buying it."
-this only happens in the weird little universe you call home. 500,000 is astronomical sales for a PC title. Only a couple a year will break a million, if that.

 

[Ethug]

My god your an idiot.

People still play nothing but Super Mario Bros.

Some people do nothing but collect old school games.

Does that mean the whole console buis is collapsing?

BTW, sales of online console item are a palty small amount compared to sales of pc digital distribution.

And those people playing mario brothers...how many times have they re-bought it? You buy something for the SNES...then you rebuy for the gameboy advance or DS, then you rebuy on the Wii....are you getting this?

Vs. a PC game, that you pull out from where its been sitting for awhile and reinstall.

Not really the same thing, now is it?