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X2900XT preview

JustinSane said:
Nice find! I wonder if all HIS cards will have the bad ass flames on em.
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Hope so, everyone knows flames add atleast 10fps :). Pulled the trigger on the zipzoomfly HIS card, probably not my smartest decision of my life but oh well, going to wait a month or so to get the second one.
 
debello_64 said:
Hope so, everyone knows flames add atleast 10fps :). Pulled the trigger on the zipzoomfly HIS card, probably not my smartest decision of my life but oh well, going to wait a month or so to get the second one.
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Don't forget to buy a 2000W PSU along with the second one.
 
7331 said:
Don't forget to buy a 2000W PSU along with the second one.
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No need I have installed a Mr. Fusion on my computer. Besides wild rumors of the r600's power requirments are way off base and is nothing more then WAS.
 
Pictures of the review from the "magazine"

Searching around I found these pictures of that german magazine and have hosted them on photobucket.

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wow it take a very BIG hit with AA enabled, bigger than the X1950 XTX even. WTF?


Difference between no AA/AF and 4xAA/16xAF in Prey 1600x1200

2900 XT: ~ -37%
X1950 XTX: ~ -20%

8800 GTX: ~ -26%


ok, so ATI released a card that is LESS efficient than its older generation card? gj ATI, hope you burn. (actually i hope this is driver issue )
 
What's the deal with the X1950 passing the 8800 GTX in Prey at 16x12/4xAA/16xAF? Anyone else find that rather odd?
 
I have a NVidia card in my system, but unless I hear it from Kyle or Brent, I'm taking every benchmark before the 14th with a mountain of salt.
 
LawGiver said:
wow it take a very BIG hit with AA enabled, bigger than the X1950 XTX even. WTF?


Difference between no AA/AF and 4xAA/16xAF in Prey 1600x1200

2900 XT: ~ -37%
X1950 XTX: ~ -20%

8800 GTX: ~ -26%


ok, so ATI released a card that is LESS efficient than its older generation card? gj ATI, hope you burn. (actually i hope this is driver issue )
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Yea. It doesnt seem to like Oblivion very much does it? Heh. Of course if any of the other reports leaking around are correct, it performs GREAT in Fear and HL, as to be expected. :p ATi cards always seem to great in those games.
 
Neist said:
Yea. It doesnt seem to like Oblivion very much does it? Heh. Of course if any of the other reports leaking around are correct, it performs GREAT in Fear and HL, as to be expected. :p ATi cards always seem to great in those games.
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that was Prey not oblivion. bigger point here is not specific game performance but performance against its older generation siblinb, the X1950 XTX in this case. The 2900XT takes 17% more of a FPS hit with AA compared to the XTX, and 11% more compared to a GTX.
 
LawGiver said:
that was Prey not oblivion. bigger point here is not specific game performance but performance against its older generation siblinb, the X1950 XTX in this case. The 2900XT takes 17% more of a FPS hit with AA compared to the XTX, and 11% more compared to a GTX.
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Yea, agreed, but that was just one in the benchmarks that really jumped out.

Its going to be hard to tell anything regardless until we can cross reference some decent benchmarks. Oblivion could just be a driver issue.
 
fallguy said:
Take your own advice. The simple fact is, they claimed to have used an AMD board, with an Intel chip. Which is one of the inconsistencies they have.
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Yes the AM2 board is in the list as you say an obvious copy&paste error. Its badly written and sports spurious results, sure. Like I said, its not ambiguous when referring to the use of the 975 motherboard.

fallguy said:
Still not sold on the authenticity of it however. The M2N32-SLI is a AM2 mobo, yet they show they are using a C2D 6700?
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Well, some goblins kicked in and we were forced to take some more time before posting this one - and do some additional testing. It's time to check how R600 performs on Intel's 975 chipset. We actually picked these four platforms to broaden the range of possibilities for our readers so they can know what to expect from this card on their own computer. We received quite a few e-mails from people asking us to test R600 on some other platforms as well and we will, as soon as the fourth dimension allows us to do so. So, here we go again, R600-land...

But let's explain the "mechanics" of how we operated on this one.When we started this testing, of course, we had the idea to do the CrossFire vs SLI thing, which we'll do in a separate article, a bit later, of course. But we really wanted to compare CrossFire to a non-SLI setup so for that reason we decided to use CF results in this article. Expect some pretty interesting scores. So, let's see how R600 does on 975x. Results are quite a bit different to NF590 SLI, which might raise a few eyebrows but that's how it is.We heard that there's a driver coming out today that should fix some of the scores, for example Oblivion and FarCry where the perofmance is in the previous driver which we used for testing lower then competition, and with the new one it should be up by some 15-20%, while in general for HDR-stuff 5-30% increase in performance is promised. In that case, HD2900XT might be very close to 8800GTX and better then 8800GTS in Oblivion, Supreme Commander (which, by the way, looks fairly amazing) and FarCry. We'll see it when we get these latest drivers and grab some more time...

OK, this time, for the 975 test, we picked the ASUS's P5W DH Deluxe motherboard, one of the most expensive 975 boards on the market, which we already tried before and found to be very good for CrossFire testing. All of the tests for HD2900XT were done with 8-37-4-070419A-046506E driver (again, the new driver came out today), and cards not provided by AMD. The rest of the system is the same as in the previous article, so, we used:

- ASUS M2N32-SLI Premium
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6700
- OCZ Platinum XTC PC2-8500 (2x1GB)
- AMD Radeon HD2900XT
- OCZ and EVGA 8800GTX
- ASUS 8800GTS 640MB
- OCZ GameXstream PSU (new revision, rewired for 8-pin PCI-E connector)
- OCZ Vindicator coolers
- WD RaptorX's 150GB
- Pioneer DVR-110BK's
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As you can see for yourself, R600 performs quite a bit better on Intel's 975 chipset then on NVIDIA's NF590 SLI, to a point where we are really pleasantly surprised. We can only see one pretty strange result here, in high-res/high-AA/AF FEAR test for 8800GTS 640, but that's just about everything strange. We feel that, although we know that there are new drivers coming out, AMD/ATi really still must make some serious efforts on the driver side, where they were traditionally good. If latest news we heard are even remotely close to the truth, things are looking pretty good then. We also noticed that at lower resolutions R600's seem "a bit more CPU limited" then 8800, which is very interesting. When you crank R600 up with higher resolutions (1920x1200 and 2560x1600) and 8x/16xAA settings, this thing starts breathing and doing the job right. We also removed Company of Heroes because it really behaves strangely so it's out until we figure out what's going on.

There's one other "trick" here, and that's image quality, also "to be covered" in a separate article. In all honesty, 8 and 16xAA modes look a bit better on HD2900XT then on 8800 series. This is one of those things that make HD2900XT what it is - very interesting product. Stay tuned for CrossFire vs SLI article tomorrow, done on 975 chipset for CrossFire and 680i chipset for 8800's.
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Render said:
Pictures of the review from the "magazine"

Searching around I found these pictures of that german magazine and have hosted them on photobucket.

[IMG--]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/12ender/site_1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG--]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/12ender/site_2.jpg[/IMG]
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thanks. It's a pity that getting the C't in the USA is rather expensive.
That DX10 SDK performance is `insane'.

APOLLO said:
I have a NVidia card in my system, but unless I hear it from Kyle or Brent, I'm taking every benchmark before the 14th with a mountain of salt.
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The C't magazine has been around since 1996 and I would regard it as the computer magazine with the most consistently well-researched articles. Unfortunately, they do not have an English language version. Regardless, if the article scanned above is indeed a fake, it was been rather well done, since the layout is copied exactly from the magazine.
 
FORNOWAGAIN said:
Yes the AM2 board is in the list as you say an obvious copy&paste error. Its badly written and sports spurious results, sure. Like I said, its not ambiguous when referring to the use of the 975 motherboard.
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You've failed, again. I know full well they mentioned Intel boards many times, yet they also show an AMD board. I posted it because its just ONE MORE of the many inconsistencies. Feel free to defend their 19fps increase when going from 4xAA to 8xAA in Oblivion. Then tell me its a good review. :rolleyes:
 
fallguy said:
You've failed, again. I know full well they mentioned Intel boards many times, yet they also show an AMD board. I posted it because its just ONE MORE of the many inconsistencies. Feel free to defend their 19fps increase when going from 4xAA to 8xAA in Oblivion. Then tell me its a good review. :rolleyes:
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Someone seems to be unhappy that the R600 seems to have flopped on the floor like a big smelly turd.
 
lixuelai said:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=143915

XT(X), 1GB GDDR4. Dont know if it is the XTX or will there be a 1GB XT though. Numbers from 3dmarks looks good. Hopefully games scores deliver too. I think Ill go for the X2900XT, more OC potential it seems.
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One thing I have noticed on the ATI forums here and everywhere else,is that there are a lot of people who 'play' 3DMARK 200n

Is it a good game ? How many levels does it have ? Is it an RPG ? or FPS ? :D Does it
have co-op ? how is the net code ? :p
 
Manny Calavera said:
One thing I have noticed on the ATI forums here and everywhere else,is that there are a lot of people who 'play' 3DMARK 200n

Is it a good game ? How many levels does it have ? Is it an RPG ? or FPS ? :D Does it
have co-op ? how is the net code ? :p
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Oh its incredible. You control it with your mind! Problem is I always have the same shit happen when I play it.
 
Anyone know if this is going to have the whole Unified Shader Architecture thing?

Because with that aren't you supposed to get some AA without a performance hit?
I still think drivers are holding this card back.
But how much? That is the question.
 
R600 is unified, but no, that doesn't affect AA performance. The potentially "free" AA would be due to excess bandwidth.
 
fallguy said:
You've failed, again. I know full well they mentioned Intel boards many times, yet they also show an AMD board. I posted it because its just ONE MORE of the many inconsistencies. Feel free to defend their 19fps increase when going from 4xAA to 8xAA in Oblivion. Then tell me its a good review. :rolleyes:
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Lol Failed? I hadn't realised it was a competition. Ok, all I have sincerely said is that they were fairly succinct about their use of the 975 board. Contrary to your previous and which transpires to be deliberately contentious statements. I cannot find reference in this review to them having used an AM2 board, other than its inclusion as an obvious error in the parts list. Nor have I have stated an opinion on the validity of their results or advocated... Ah bollocks to it, whatever dude.
 
bildad said:
Someone seems to be unhappy that the R600 seems to have flopped on the floor like a big smelly turd.
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Feel free to tell me how you can get 19fps more when doubling the AA. Tell me its a good review. Go ahead, explain all the problems with it.

"Seems to", according to whom? You? Nice try with the bait, but I dont bite.
FORNOWAGAIN said:
Lol Failed? I hadn't realised it was a competition. Ok, all I have sincerely said is that they were fairly succinct about their use of the 975 board. Contrary to your previous and which transpires to be deliberately contentious statements. I cannot find reference in this review to them having used an AM2 board, other than its inclusion as an obvious error in the parts list. Nor have I have stated an opinion on the validity of their results or advocated... Ah bollocks to it, whatever dude.
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I dont know why you cant understand this. I pointed it out, and the probability that it is a copy/paste error, to show just one more of many problems with their "review". They look very amateurish, in fact, I have never heard of them before this. I can see why now. Their "review" is pretty poor. Not only all the problems with it, but the lack of data they provided.
 
fallguy said:
Feel free to tell me how you can get 19fps more when doubling the AA. Tell me its a good review. Go ahead, explain all the problems with it.

"Seems to", according to whom? You? Nice try with the bait, but I dont bite.
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Um...there's been quite a few leaks from many different sources. They're not hard to find. They all tell the same story, R600 isn't any better than an 8800 GTS. So unless you believe they're all made by the same person and there's some grand conspiracy against the R600 it's pretty safe to conclude what we've seen is what it is.
 
Are you going to need an adapter for this thing if you don't have any 8 pin connectors on your power supply?
 
bildad said:
Um...there's been quite a few leaks from many different sources. They're not hard to find. They all tell the same story, R600 isn't any better than an 8800 GTS. So unless you believe they're all made by the same person and there's some grand conspiracy against the R600 it's pretty safe to conclude what we've seen is what it is.
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Actually from what I can tell is hes badmouthing the it-review review/preview and for a good reason. I do however believe he is not badmouthing the others ie the magazine, and tech powered
 
Riptide_NVN said:
Are you going to need an adapter for this thing if you don't have any 8 pin connectors on your power supply?
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The cards are rumored to come with it.

Fudzilla claims to have ven been able to overclock with just two PCI-E 6 pins by using a non-official overclocking utility.
 
^ Well, I can hardly tell the difference with IQ, other than the 2900 appears slightly sharper, unless my eyes are deceiving me.
 
i find the 8800 GTX to have a sharper image and i own neither vid card so i'm not biased. but its so close i wouldnt use still image to decide on which to buy.. i'll just go with the faster one unless there is a major price difference.
 
lee0539 said:
i find the 8800 GTX to have a sharper image and i own neither vid card so i'm not biased. but its so close i wouldnt use still image to decide on which to buy.. i'll just go with the faster one unless there is a major price difference.
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Look closely at the tip of the blimp in canyon flight.
The 2900XT does AA slightly better than the 8800 GTX.
 
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