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X2900XT preview

But you don't know what the prices are going to be for the 2900XT...
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But I don't need to. And I think it quite naive to expect nVidia not to have a pretty damn good idea at this point. ;) A pretty damn good idea of relative performance too.
 
And they didn't include an 8800 GTS in the review? Methinks something is wierd there.
 
While these early previews don't look all that impressive, some guys over Rage3d are saying that ATI has disabled half of the ring bus in these early drivers to artificially cripple the card and make it appear slower than the final version. I'm not too sure why they would do this, but if it is the case the final numbers should be much faster than these early results show.

Only four more days and we'll see what this card is capable of...
 
loafer87gt said:
While these early previews don't look all that impressive, some guys over Rage3d are saying that ATI has disabled half of the ring bus in these early drivers to artificially cripple the card and make it appear slower than the final version. I'm not too sure why they would do this, but if it is the case the final numbers should be much faster than these early results show.

Only four more days and we'll see what this card is capable of...
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If that is the case, it would explain why my X1950Pro is beating the ATI's next gen card in some instances.
 
FlintMurdock said:
Wow, in that screenshot, the HD 2900XT is losing to the X1950 Pro. :(
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Exactly.

Come on guys, let's not call the undertaker yet until Monday. We simply don't know anything about these or any other alleged "benchmarks" nor the people who published them.

Would AMD/ATI actually release a product that under-performed their last generation?? Would any manufacturer??
 
X2900XT slower than the 8800GTX I can believe. It slower than a X1950Pro Im not sure I can...
 
I hope its driver problems, or honestly I'm not entirely too impressed.
 
thx dude, just don't want to see the community suffer its only 4 days, it will be back up :)
 
I saw the tech power up review and at lower resolution the card loses to the X1950XTX in some benchmarks but at higher res, the card didn't lose too much performance. This is bad considering the card is more expensive than the X1950XTX.
 
So one could say that this is just a X1950XTX with Dx10 support, well i guess Ati will get a lot of negative press on monday, ouch.
 
Neist said:
Yea, I had this thought as well. If this is supposed to compete at some level around a 8800GTS, and it only gains advantage at extreme resolutions, then it just seems rather odd. The marketability of a lower high-end card that is going to be played at that resolution cant be too high.

I mean.. if you play on a 30 inch dell, I'm sure you can afford a more expensive card.
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Well, I play on a 24" FW-900, which can comfortably go to 2048. Not everyone has moved to LCDs yet.
 
Like the people had previously stated: A new card losing to a last generation card = impossible. Considering the card has 320 stream processors, faster RAM, a larger memory bus, and probably other things we will find out when the NDA is lifted. I will believe the benchmarks only when they are from a reputable site, IE Anadtech, [H], ect. Personally, I just ignore this jibba jabba for the time being.:cool:
 
Endurancevm said:
Like the people had previously stated: A new card losing to a last generation card = impossible. Considering the card has 320 stream processors, faster RAM, a larger memory bus, and probably other things we will find out when the NDA is lifted. I will believe the benchmarks only when they are from a reputable site, IE Anadtech, [H], ect. Personally, I just ignore this jibba jabba for the time being.:cool:
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Do you pity the fool who listens to this Jibba Jabba?
 
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... chances are it's a duck.

When the first rumors started spreading, I considered them a fluke, misconception or just down-right mudslinging. Now that things are heating up, and the oversight isn't looking any better, I don't know.. Just doesn't sound like ATI/AMD are desperate to release this card (or it's counter parts). Not that they have a dire urge to be, what with no actual dx10 benchmarks or games available (demo's don't count). But, when you've lost that many sales to ppl jumping ship, wouldn't you wanna get ppl a little hyped up?
 
I really doubt that AMD would hold a 3 day press event in Africa if the card preformed worse than the last generation.
 
Yeah that would be unprecedented. I believe the stock XT will at least match GTS performance, otherwise it wouldn't be coming out at all. But who knows ? There are a lot of rumors R600 is a very good OCer. Plus there is the novelty of built in sound and HDMI. If we assume the XTX is canned, maybe they're just releasing those cards as the XT. And laser cutting the old XT chips into 2600s or something ?

I was an early R520 adopter and remember the first set of new drivers after the card's release made a huge difference in many games. After NDA we'll know pretty much who's got the best value, but we won't know the full performance picture until we get some real DX10 demos like Crysis. Apparently it's predicted the shader load will shift significantly. I also read Crytek is reporting the R600 currently gets about 4 more fps than a GTX. Whatever that's worth. LOL
 
It is now being said that the card used in this preview was one of the defective GDDR4 XTX models that were suffering from performance issues. Add in the rumored crippeld ringbus, and old dated drivers, and this would explain the slower than expected performance.
 
The review by Tech Power Up seems to be quite credible, and they put it down very quickly so I really think that it is true. They even show the card without the fan and it really looks like it is done properly.
 
Hvatum said:
Well, I play on a 24" FW-900, which can comfortably go to 2048. Not everyone has moved to LCDs yet.
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Very true, and actually I still use my CRT, but its getting increasingly hard to find decent CRTs anymore. :(

I'd MUCH rather have a prime CRT rather than a LCD. Boo.
 
loafer87gt said:
It is now being said that the card used in this preview was one of the defective GDDR4 XTX models that were suffering from performance issues. Add in the rumored crippeld ringbus, and old dated drivers, and this would explain the slower than expected performance.
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That's what I understand as well. Some of these sites are using 'alpha' hardware or beta drivers, etc. NOT a release-quality product. I'm trying to get people to realize in several threads that we don't know anything about these 'previews' other than obscure claims from dubious sources.

Although it is possible that the R600 might underwhelm compared to the GTX, why would AMD bother releasing a product that will perform so poorly, its last-gen product outperforms it for less money. How can they possibly make any sales? :confused: Before anyone answers with added features, it certainly won't be with the allure of HDMI audio...

If such a scenario were actually true, better for AMD to delay another 6 months. :rolleyes:
 
APOLLO said:
That's what I understand as well. Some of these sites are using 'alpha' hardware or beta drivers, etc. NOT a release-quality product. I'm trying to get people to realize in several threads that we don't know anything about these 'previews' other than obscure claims from dubious sources.

Although it is possible that the R600 might underwhelm compared to the GTX, why would AMD bother releasing a product that will perform so poorly, its last-gen product outperforms it for less money. How can they possibly make any sales? :confused: Before anyone answers with added features, it certainly won't be with the allure of HDMI audio...

If such a scenario were actually true, better for AMD to delay another 6 months. :rolleyes:
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Uh they will release it because it took R&D and most importantly MONEY to create. This really is looking like a nvidia 5xxx series. About the fluked and messed up benchmarks, SAMPSA over at XS has also reported that game performance isn't very good compared to 3dmark scores...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&postcount=34

Take it for what its worth but SAMPSA is very credible...
 
Render said:
Take it for what its worth but SAMPSA is very credible...
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I don't read that forum, however I'll take your word for it because several other people have voiced similar opinions of him on this and other forums supporting Samsa's findings. Having said that, how are we to be absolutely certain that he has a release product and drivers? Did he make such bold claims?

And, if this is a GF5 type of fiasco, that is even worse for AMD/ATI because they have history as hindsight whereas NVidia did not (unless you count 3DFX's failed final offerings). Why repeat other people's folly? Even more money will be lost than say, delaying until the 65nm yields prove profitable, no?
 
Do you know for sure that SAMPSA has the retail card?
Can you say for sure that he tests with the latest drivers?
If not then STOP BSing this forum.
 
unleashed said:
Do you know for sure that SAMPSA has the retail card?
Can you say for sure that he tests with the latest drivers?
If not then STOP BSing this forum.
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My answer is
1. No I do not know for sure but being as credible as he is and the fact that he writes reviews I could bet that he does.
2. Since he is one of the most renouned overclockers I'm pretty sure he knows what hes doing ;). Also if you read the thread you can see that the 3DMARK scores are promising, but in the post I quoted from him he states that 3dmark performance does not reflect gaming performance. Also if you read up he states the 8800 series is king this time around.
 
Render said:
My answer is
1. No I do not know for sure but being as credible as he is and the fact that he writes reviews I could bet that he does.
2. Since he is one of the most renouned overclockers I'm pretty sure he knows what hes doing ;). Also if you read the thread you can see that the 3DMARK scores are promising, but in the post I quoted from him he states that 3dmark performance does not reflect gaming performance. Also if you read up he states the 8800 series is king this time around.
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That's lots of assumptions on your part.
In a few days we'll see how credible he is.
 
Render said:
My answer is
1. No I do not know for sure but being as credible as he is and the fact that he writes reviews I could bet that he does.
2. Since he is one of the most renouned overclockers I'm pretty sure he knows what hes doing ;). Also if you read the thread you can see that the 3DMARK scores are promising, but in the post I quoted from him he states that 3dmark performance does not reflect gaming performance. Also if you read up he states the 8800 series is king this time around.
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Whats really confusing me is: What are those 320 shaders doing? They are just sitting there, fondling themselves? What is the new memory interface for? Why 512bit if 256 was enough to beat the new 512? What is the point of all this new crap if it cant beat last gen's stuff?

To me, it seems that there is no possible way that ATI can released a card that is worse than the last generation. Maybe I'm just hoping that it isn't so, but you cant blame one for hope. If in the end it does turn out this way, turns out that the R600 is nothing more than a load pig excrements, then I will purchase the G80.
 
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