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I have to admit that the idea of ditching my iMac for a MBP and a Thunderbolt display is intriguing (it'd actually be a very decent upgrade performance-wise), but I can't stomach the idea of spending over three grand on such a setup at the moment. My iMac is long overdue for an upgrade, and I've been yearning lately for portability, but three grand...yeesh.
 
wonderfield said:
I have to admit that the idea of ditching my iMac for a MBP and a Thunderbolt display is intriguing (it'd actually be a very decent upgrade performance-wise), but I can't stomach the idea of spending over three grand on such a setup at the moment. My iMac is long overdue for an upgrade, and I've been yearning lately for portability, but three grand...yeesh.
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I hear ya, there. I can't afford the MBP upgrade until I sell my existing MBP and this growing pile of PC parts sitting on the dining room table. The 27" monitor, though... I must say, it is a FANTASTIC monitor.
 
Absentee said:
Actually, it does. Get the latest version (even slightly outdated versions that do audio had a bug that made it really quiet. Newest version fixed it.)
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That's weird. I tried the latest version from their website just yesterday and it didn't pass audio through. I wonder why..
But if you say it's not good enough for video then once again it's pointless.
 
Bomo said:
This is where my problem comes in. I don't really care about text smoothness or general usage sharpness. Since the desktop will still have the usable space of a 1440*900 screen (since its scaling and not true pixel for pixel usage) I would at least want the resolution were it counts for me most, gaming. But it doesn't seem like the 650m would handle this in a meaningful way. Otherwise I just see it as a bit of a let down. Going from a 1920*1080 usable environment to a 1440*900 would be bleh in my book and running games at a scaled down 1440*900, seems like a waste. I'd feather just have a 1440*900 screen and the extra change.

I just really wanted a retina external monitor or at least iMac to use as a pass through monitor...
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5998/macbook-pro-retina-display-analysis

From my understanding of the article, you'll be able to scale up the resolution, while sacrificing the DPI. So if you desire 1920x1080, then the option is there for you. It seems like the quality is about the same as a non-Retina display.
 
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shoota said:
Why is it no longer a cheap upgrade? Are the internals not user accessible or something?
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i think they were just discussing that its soldered to the mobo now. you cant just open it up and replace the ram with new sticks. :/
 
ekuest said:
i think they were just discussing that its soldered to the mobo now. you cant just open it up and replace the ram with new sticks. :/
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Omg you gotta be kidding me. So now you're stuck with what you ordered, and if a stick dies you have to replace the whole motherboard for a gazillion dollars... etc. It's crap like this that really ticks off the enthusiast in me.
 
i have the macbook air which has te ram solder in
well since 2010 i have own 2 macbook airs and none have fail so far. mac laptop is pretty reliable in my opinion. and if you are worry having to spend a ton to replace the board, just purchase apple care and have 3 years warranty
 
dutnguye said:
i have the macbook air which has te ram solder in
well since 2010 i have own 2 macbook airs and none have fail so far. mac laptop is pretty reliable in my opinion. and if you are worry having to spend a ton to replace the board, just purchase apple care and have 3 years warranty
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the point is that you cant upgrade it, and you have to purchase apple care if you want peace of mind. if i want to upgrade the ram in my laptop, or if mine dies, its an easy and cheap fix. with it soldered, it is expensive, and you have to give up your computer for some days or weeks while its replaced.
 
You can't get these notebooks as thin as they are with standard RAM. Just no way. So either you don't get the form factor or you solder the RAM until there is a smaller standard configuration. It sucks but that's life right now. That's why when they started talking about the Retina MBPs they said "For those that don't mind losing some legacy things.".
 
As long as the RAM doesn't fail, I don't see too much of a problem. 8GB is plenty. I'm fine with 4GB most of the time.
 
Yeah as long as it doesn't fail but what if it does? I mean it does happen.
 
yea like netjunkie said, you have to sacrifice something
i mean it's super slim so the ram has to be solder in
and i think if i'm going to spend over 2200 after tax on a laptop, i should buy the apple care warranty just for some peace of mind. Apple is really good at warranty
 
shoota said:
Yeah as long as it doesn't fail but what if it does? I mean it does happen.
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Then you take advantage of your warranty, take it in to an Apple Store or mail it off if you live too far away, and get back a repaired and fully functional unit.
 
yeah if you need more than 8GB then its not the laptop for you. as for warranty replacement, just sucks for people who are out of warranty. even after 3 years this thing will probably still be worth $1000. you know apple is gonna want $200 to fix the ram out of warranty. very rare case though. personally i think it was a good move.
 
ekuest said:
yeah if you need more than 8GB then its not the laptop for you. as for warranty replacement, just sucks for people who are out of warranty. even after 3 years this thing will probably still be worth $1000. you know apple is gonna want $200 to fix the ram out of warranty. very rare case though. personally i think it was a good move.
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I thought the max RAM was 16GB?
 
I understand it's the logical choice for Apple considering it's typical customer, that's why I said it irks the "enthusiast" in me. I will just miss the days of user replaceable parts.
 
shoota said:
I understand it's the logical choice for Apple considering it's typical customer, that's why I said it irks the "enthusiast" in me. I will just miss the days of user replaceable parts.
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I do too. I tend to keep certain machines a long time. But these days it seems like Apple builds these things to last 2-3 years tops. I mean I still use a P3 from '99 from time to time!
 
450 said:
I do too. I tend to keep certain machines a long time. But these days it seems like Apple builds these things to last 2-3 years tops. I mean I still use a P3 from '99 from time to time!
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I figure they have a 'max 3 year' cycle in mind. In their minds you'll finish paying off one and want another.
 
shoota said:
I understand it's the logical choice for Apple considering it's typical customer, that's why I said it irks the "enthusiast" in me. I will just miss the days of user replaceable parts.
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As an enthusiast, I'm not irked at all, and don't understand why you are. We both have better things to do with our time than disassemble our laptops, a category of computers which were never enthusiast-friendly in the first place. You're lamenting a mirage.
 
Q1DM6 said:
I figure they have a 'max 3 year' cycle in mind. In their minds you'll finish paying off one and want another.
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I think that depends. My wife is a light user and is using a 3 year old multibody MBP and has no plans to upgrade. Even professionals usually flip notebooks every 3 years just for various reasons. I flip almost every year to 18 months just because I'm a geek and I use my gear constantly for work. The SSD in the new rMBP can be upgraded, like the Air. RAM is the only sticking point so I just went with 16GB. While $200 is more than 3rd party (by a fair bit) I think it's reasonable for a add-on w/ first-party support.
 
ekuest said:
yeah if you need more than 8GB then its not the laptop for you. as for warranty replacement, just sucks for people who are out of warranty. even after 3 years this thing will probably still be worth $1000. you know apple is gonna want $200 to fix the ram out of warranty. very rare case though. personally i think it was a good move.
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Apple isn't going to "fix" the ram out of warranty or even in warranty for that matter. They're going to replace the entire logic board, which is going to be a lot more then $200.
 
next-Jin said:
Yea the child lockout so they don't exit or go into the settings is cool. Also the hardware phone number block was crazy why the hell no one thought of that is dumbfounding. Goodbye telemarketing and collectors.
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I hope this works as you suggest. It is sorely needed. I get calls from who know who and feel no defense against it like I had on Android. Txt messages too. I shouldn't have to jailbreak just to be rid of this crap.
 
InorganicMatter said:
They're both wrong in my book.

I bought a desktop, and a tablet. Separately. I don't want them converged, at all. They are separate interfaces made for separate user input methods.
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Agreed! I want them to interact, but not converge.
 
Terpfen said:
As an enthusiast, I'm not irked at all, and don't understand why you are. We both have better things to do with our time than disassemble our laptops, a category of computers which were never enthusiast-friendly in the first place. You're lamenting a mirage.
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I mean no disrespect but you don't know me. A few years ago when white macbooks were only a couple years old I could find used ones very cheap on CL and upgrade them for next to nothing and then turn around and sell them for a profit. Now I can't do that, so I'm not lamenting a mirage at all.
 
shoota said:
I mean no disrespect but you don't know me. A few years ago when white macbooks were only a couple years old I could find used ones very cheap on CL and upgrade them for next to nothing and then turn around and sell them for a profit. Now I can't do that, so I'm not lamenting a mirage at all.
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It's not Apple's responsibility to help line your wallet.
 
Terpfen said:
It's not Apple's responsibility to help line your wallet.
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This.

I'd prefer removable ram taht we can upgrade.. but if it makes it significantly slimmer and doesnt fuck with price much.. I'm all for lightening the load and slimming things down.
 
I prob wouldn't mind if it can't be upgraded as long as it stays cool but I heard it ran hotter than previous one by a little :(
 
Terpfen said:
As an enthusiast, I'm not irked at all, and don't understand why you are. We both have better things to do with our time than disassemble our laptops, a category of computers which were never enthusiast-friendly in the first place. You're lamenting a mirage.
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I actually think one of the best things about the previous unibody MacBook Pro's was how much easier they were to work on then the generation before and most laptops in general. Just remove the bottom panel and almost everything was easily accessible and very clean. The generation before was a nightmare to access the HDD and had a bunch of tape inside.

WIth the unibody's you could easily upgrade the ram, upgrade to an SSD, and swap the optical drive out for a second hard drive. Its unfortunate that Apple is headed back to the closed system mentality.

It was hardly a mirage...
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wonderfield said:
I have to admit that the idea of ditching my iMac for a MBP and a Thunderbolt display is intriguing (it'd actually be a very decent upgrade performance-wise), but I can't stomach the idea of spending over three grand on such a setup at the moment. My iMac is long overdue for an upgrade, and I've been yearning lately for portability, but three grand...yeesh.
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I remember the days most any PC would cost at least 3 grand. You folks are spoiled rotten (and thank heavens for it, too - I mean about the modern-day pricing).
 
ekuest said:
the point is that you cant upgrade it, and you have to purchase apple care if you want peace of mind. if i want to upgrade the ram in my laptop, or if mine dies, its an easy and cheap fix. with it soldered, it is expensive, and you have to give up your computer for some days or weeks while its replaced.
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These are the consequences of us wanting more and more features in a light thin case. Making stuff replaceable/upgradeable means it is bigger and heavier. There are other choices if you want to expand/replace.
 
NetJunkie said:
You can't get these notebooks as thin as they are with standard RAM. Just no way. So either you don't get the form factor or you solder the RAM until there is a smaller standard configuration. It sucks but that's life right now. That's why when they started talking about the Retina MBPs they said "For those that don't mind losing some legacy things.".
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Not just ram....SSD and battery too. The overall design is considered from the POV of being as space and weight efficient as possible.

Frankly, just max that sucker out (if you think you'll ever need it) and buy the applecare. That is the real cost of these machines. Not the entry level price they quote.

These machines are not for everyone (at least not in 2012). The good news is that there are other decent options. But if you want this you have to be ready to pay.
 
450 said:
I do too. I tend to keep certain machines a long time. But these days it seems like Apple builds these things to last 2-3 years tops. I mean I still use a P3 from '99 from time to time!
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It will last longer than that for the majority of users (you can always run on AC when the battery goes). I think it is fair to say that Apple intends for you to keep these things for 2-3 years, tops. And to be fair, in the technology game, that's about the longest you want to deal with old tech anyway. If you are buying top end, then each time you buy you need a decent bump spec-wise, all around.
 
AQ_OC said:
I remember the days most any PC would cost at least 3 grand. You folks are spoiled rotten (and thank heavens for it, too - I mean about the modern-day pricing).
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I remember my friends paying $3500 for loaded Powerbook G3's! They still ended up adding 512MB RAM and 80GB hard drives down the road.
 
AQ_OC said:
Not just ram....SSD and battery too. The overall design is considered from the POV of being as space and weight efficient as possible.
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Funny that they use a blade SSD then, one that's about as thick as a standard so-dimm...

Since they offer 3 different size SSDs, it's probably easier on them to make easily interchangable, just like on the MBA. Since they only offer 2 different ram capacities, they can get away with soldering it to the logic board, just like the MBA.
 
Q1DM6 said:
I figure they have a 'max 3 year' cycle in mind. In their minds you'll finish paying off one and want another.
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Yeah, makes it really expensive for wannabe "pro-sumers" like me. Still, impressive design. The lack of upgradeability makes it a "no" for me, unfortunately. And since it's unlikely Apple changes their stance going forward, I might as well start looking at Windows machines. I had a nice 6+ year run w/ Apple, so no complaints.
 
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