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Woz Predicts 'Horrible Problems' With Cloud Computing

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Whether or not you are a fan of cloud computing, you have to admit, Woz has a valid point.

"I really worry about everything going to the cloud," he said. "I think it's going to be horrendous. I think there are going to be a lot of horrible problems in the next five years." He added: "With the cloud, you don't own anything. You already signed it away" through the legalistic terms of service with a cloud provider that computer users must agree to.
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This is exactly what I tell people when they ask me about cloud technology.

Is it your data? Do you want to store it on someone else's network? Do you trust someone else to take care of your data? Are you encrypting your data before sending it to the cloud?
 
Is there actually any computing done with the cloud? isn't it closer to being "cloud storage" than "cloud computing"

(yeah nitpicky but hey storing your files remotely for things not on the web is stupid)
 
Cloud isn't trust worthy cause companies aren't trust worthy. Especially because most cloud services are free. They have to make money somehow.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Is there actually any computing done with the cloud? isn't it closer to being "cloud storage" than "cloud computing"

(yeah nitpicky but hey storing your files remotely for things not on the web is stupid)
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You can rent virtual servers from companies and install your own operating systems or other junk like that and they charge you based on the amount of processing power you pay for or allow you to burst beyond your limit for additional fees. It's a lot like paying Verizon for a data plan where going over causes an anally uncomfortable event at the end of the billing cycle.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Is there actually any computing done with the cloud? isn't it closer to being "cloud storage" than "cloud computing"

(yeah nitpicky but hey storing your files remotely for things not on the web is stupid)
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Sure there is. Remote cloud based desktop applications, server applications(like having microsoft host your email servers instead of doing it yourself), those would be a couple of examples.

Of course the "cloud storage" thing is idiotic, as hosting data remotely on the internet has existed long before marketing teams around the world adopted the "cloud" term... of course the internet was usually depicted as a cloud long before the current marketing trends as well.
 
SkribbelKat said:
You can rent virtual servers from companies and install your own operating systems or other junk like that and they charge you based on the amount of processing power you pay for or allow you to burst beyond your limit for additional fees. It's a lot like paying Verizon for a data plan where going over causes an anally uncomfortable event at the end of the billing cycle.
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I see, the article however makes it sound like he's more concerned about the data that you store there.
 
The public switched telephone network was drawn as a cloud if your data was travelling through a service provider's network between end points because you didn't know or care what happened between the two relevant ends.
 
sfsuphysics said:
I see, the article however makes it sound like he's more concerned about the data that you store there.
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Yup, we're mostly talking about cloud storage, but offloading actual work is doable and somewhat as alarming since you're depending on a stable network connection and people you don't know to host whatever you're doing.

Storage is the most scary, I think, for most people. I don't want to surrender control over the stuff I create to an entity I don't completely trust.
 
I know he's a genius, but it doesn't take one to predict this. It's kind of ironic that with the sheer size and low cost of local storage these days, we're going to the cloud. Also, this could cause problems with ISP's data caps.
 
timtheenchantor said:
Any of you who say they don't trust the cloud - do you play Steam?
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I bought that crappy Fallout New Vegas thing and had to make a Steam account to play it. It sooo wasn't worth doing it and I regret ever having done it. :(

Finishing it pretty much ruined my desire to play video games of any sort. On a side note, computers are a lot cheaper to buy now. :)
 
timtheenchantor said:
Any of you who say they don't trust the cloud - do you play Steam?
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That's a tad different since it's a digital purchase of software that you never own in the first place.. Compared to storage where you give up rights to what you own just so you can store it remotely.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Is there actually any computing done with the cloud? isn't it closer to being "cloud storage" than "cloud computing"

(yeah nitpicky but hey storing your files remotely for things not on the web is stupid)
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Try google docs, video conferencing on google chat, google messaging, google maps (The online version), haven't tried this yet but you can apparently even install an application on your main PC that links your printer to google services and use it as an online printer (That's how you print from android).

The last company i worked for part time was heavy on documentation (Docs, spreadsheets, powerpoint presentations, etc.) and we did not have anything installed on our local PC aside from the programming tools. When we make a daily report, someone makes one online, we open it on our own accounts, and actually see a dozen cursors from the other guys writing on it at the exact same time. We can even see the bosses browsing it while we're writing.
 
sfsuphysics said:
That's a tad different since it's a digital purchase of software that you never own in the first place.. Compared to storage where you give up rights to what you own just so you can store it remotely.
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We have a winner.
Steam provides the infrastructure to download and authorize games. You have the privilege of playing the games.
Cloud is generally used to host data/information that you generated or created. If you don't safeguard it (read: encrypt) prior to sending it to the cloud, they will mine it.
 
All of this stuff is in the TOS as well. The Great Woz is just attempting to further get the knowledge out there.

As it stands Cloud storage can be very profitable and most people won't give two shits if the company can "use" it as long as they can get their stuff when ever/where ever they want.
 
First they give you it for free, reaping the smaller benefits of data mining to ad companies.
Insert game changer
Then they are withholding your data, asking for a small fee to keep access on.
Then it's just a full blown subscription service.

That fancily placed blue placeholder represents the "viral" (for lack of a better word) usage of encryption front-ends for the various big cloud services. Someone will make a "ulockit" app that is stupid proof, and has good enough encryption to make it "not feasible" to try to brute force. Some corporate version will also spawn around the same time, and businesses will widely adapt to it.

The whole "cloud" privacy scare will last maybe 2-3 years, then it'll just be another major headache and nickel+dime expense that we'll have to live with.
 
The free clouds come with only a few gigabytes, so they are not replacing a local backup.
I use them as a third backup for small personal documents, or shared pictures, videos and files.
I moved from Google Docs to SkyDrive recently, as the Google and LibreOffice spreadsheets are really terrible, so I reinstalled my old Microsoft Office 3 years after uninstalling it.

I have one encrypted SkyDrive subfolder but I'm pretty sure data is decrypted on the fly by Windows and transmitted as such to SkyDrive, I'd need a more robust solution if I had really important files.
 
He's right. And as a true-to-heart hacker, it's a threat to his nature of how he worked to make one of the most profitable companies in the world. That has now "gone to the cloud."

Sadly, you can't stop it. :(
 
teh_chem said:
Sadly, you can't stop it. :(
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Why the hell not? Just tell people that you're data is being accessed by the very company you trust. They'll quit using it. The public doesn't take invasion of privacy too well. Put this on some news channel and people will go ape shit.
 
IT being cheap thinks cloud servers makes their server problems someone else's problem. It doesn't. It's still your problem when the cloud server has a problem, except that you have no ability to do anything about it, and have to hope that whoever is running the cloud server is competent and quick about fixing the problem. Trouble with that is, you were being cheap when you rented the cloud space; guess what level of service you're going to get.
 
Cloud Storage and especially pseudocloud computing like google docs reminds me of the mainframe days. I shudder at the thought. PCs and peer networking killed that monster for a reason.
 
I don't trust cloud storage or cloud computing, because I don't trust my network connection or internet connection. I barely trust Steam as it is.
 
Ashbringer said:
Why the hell not? Just tell people that you're data is being accessed by the very company you trust. They'll quit using it. The public doesn't take invasion of privacy too well. Put this on some news channel and people will go ape shit.
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Because if you trust the company, what does it matter if they're handling your data?

don't get me wrong, I think the "move to the cloud" is a detriment to the "true" PC community. But on the other hand, with the "cloud," people don't need the big huge bulky (and sometimes expensive) computer boxes sitting in their house. It looks like that's something people will sacrifice.
 
I've been saying this for years.

While I may use a Cloud service, such as Amazon, to keep COPIES of my materials for remote access, there is no way in hell I would trust it as my only source and storage point.

Microsoft is pushing this stuff like "Hey, it's no problem", when they themselves have had failures that take users offline. Just look at Hotmail for an example.

I can see it now. A company of 25,000 people sets up all their email, document storage, working groups, etc.. in the cloud and then there is an outage or natural disaster. The recent multi-week power outage on the Eastern Coast is a damned fine example.

Now, instead of only having workers in the affected area down, you have the ENTIRE company down. No one can fill in for anyone. The company is dead in it's tracks.

Cloud computing is ok for duplication/access, but using it as a sole operating method is the dumbest idea any CIO could ever come up with. There WILL eventually be an outage, and that CIO will be out of a job, and the company potentially millions.

I hope insurance companies aren't stupid enough to ensure this stuff.
 
A cloud is made up of water vapor. I'm just saying.

Our company keeps heavily pushing into the cloud because they don't want to be in the data center business. Honestly, I think they just don't want to take responsibility if something goes wrong. You don't have to do a good job if someone else is doing the job.
 
"Cloud Computing"

When you can't sell them the same shit you sold them 24 months ago, sell them something new, that you have no idea what to use it for, but at least it keeps the money coming in.
 
Cloud storage is totally safe, just ask the other 200 million people who will never see the stuff they uploaded again to Megaupload.

I had backed up 4+ years of my work on UT2k4 and UT3 custom mods and a few months later lost a hard drive that wiped out everything I had, no sweat it is backed up on megaupload....
 
Nanan said:
Cloud storage is totally safe, just ask the other 200 million people who will never see the stuff they uploaded again to Megaupload.

I had backed up 4+ years of my work on UT2k4 and UT3 custom mods and a few months later lost a hard drive that wiped out everything I had, no sweat it is backed up on megaupload....
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This was the exact same as I was about to post. I'd rather have control over my storage then risk something like this happening.

As far as security, who in their right minds would upload important and personal stuff to the cloud? Encrypted or not, no one should upload personal crap that can be used against you. Do you trust your cloud to store your tax record files? Nuff said. The cloud is good for transferring temporary files from home to work or for sharing pictures and general files, not for long term storage of important data. I know too many people that put all their pictures on facebook and keep their hard drives free. Now what happens when (yes, that's "when") facebook goes away? Cloud computing is just a gimic, a fad, a dorky thing to say while sipping coffee. Hopefully it dies out before too many people get screwed by it.
 
Cloud is cool for photo sharing and that's about all, and if you think that when you delete a file on the cloud, it's gone... LOL it's NOT, it's sleeping somewhere in a backup :eek:

We use a 'CLOUD' software our store, our cashier is a web software. Since we have 1 employee and 1 computer, last HDD crash and we lost 4 years of DATA.. and YES the backup drive had ERROR! so you can't thurst any HDD out there either. Since the info is not that sensitive, we like it
 
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