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A spokeswoman for Microsoft says that, despite what Steve Ballmer said last week, Windows XP will no longer be supported after this June. Confusing the matter even more is the fact that OEMs can still continue to sell XP in certain circumstances.

"We feel we've made the right accommodations for customers in certain segments who may need more time to transition to Windows Vista," she said. "But as Steve noted, we maintain a constant stance of listening to our customers and our partners. That's what is guiding our plan, and will continue to guide us going forward."
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why do they say "supporting" instead of selling?

i mean isn't there a big difference?

like when they stopped "supporting" windows 98 and windows 2000, there was no more patches available for these OS.. but you couldn't easily find them in stores for a long time before that....
 
Big whoop, so what if MS won't support XP after June? People are still going to use it.
 
"Support" is the wrong word. They're going to stop selling it, but you can expect to receive Windows updates for another 5-6 years.
 
I'm aware of at least one Fortune 500 company that still has a support contract for Windows 2000. Basically, M$FT is doing what they can to transition off old products, so they can focus on their roadmap - which is good for all of us in terms of features and security. However, there will always be a few big companies that would rather pay extra (and I mean lots extra) to delay updating thousands or tens of thousands of desktops, especially if those machines are old enough to also require hardware replacement. Personally, I see keeping legacy crap on desktops as an expensive proposition once the machines are +3 years old, but there are many factors in such a decision that vary from one shop to another </shrug>

At the end of the day it is all just economics, but so long as there is at least 1 big company paying to renew support, we all get patches via Windows Update (w00t!)
 
by the time they quit "supporting" it most of you will have moved onto vista/7 and probably will like it.
 
Looks like the head doesn't know what the rest of the body is doing...
 
spokeswoman hmm i think Steve is higher up on the food chain than her xp is not dieing anytime soon till windars 7
 
Typical... the executive is telling you "yeah we're listening" while the "Iron Lady" is telling you to swallow...

Vista sucks and the only one smiling is the donkey.
 
furthermore Microsoft needs to implement a vista transformation pack in any sp3 commercial release
 
Man I can't afford to upgrade my system right now and everything I want to do works perfict in windows XP. I know I know everything dies but I would love to see XP live a little while longer. I am NOT a fan of Vista at all it takes WAY to many resorces to run and is the most bloted OS I have ever tested. Maybe its time to go to linux :p
 
koolaidkitten said:
by the time they quit "supporting" it most of you will have moved onto vista/7 and probably will like it.
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Liking has nothing to do with it in the business world. It's program compatibility. Primavera P5 doesn't work in Vista in the example of my place of employment.

The spokesperson misspoke, no pun intended :p Microsoft will support XP for awhile, just not sell them. As for the OEM condition she spoke of, I'm sure they will continue to allow downgrade to XP in business lineups (HP Business Notebooks for example).
 
Ockie said:
They need to focus on Vista now.
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they need to cut the second coming of windows ME and focus on getting windows 7 out asap
for it is the only way i see ms competing with apple and OSX. to add just think if osx could be installed on your home pc my god ms would shit enough bricks to make a wall to alpha centauri
 
maxius said:
they need to cut the second coming of windows ME and focus on getting windows 7 out asap
for it is the only way i see ms competing with apple and OSX. to add just think if osx could be installed on your home pc my god ms would shit enough bricks to make a wall to alpha centauri
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:rolleyes:

I'm guessing you're basing your Vista "experience" on your 1gb system. OSX has been capable of being installed on a PC for years using hacks yet it still didn't pick up.
 
Dende said:
Man I can't afford to upgrade my system right now and everything I want to do works perfict in windows XP. I know I know everything dies but I would love to see XP live a little while longer. I am NOT a fan of Vista at all it takes WAY to many resorces to run and is the most bloted OS I have ever tested. Maybe its time to go to linux :p
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So don't upgrade. You XP license is not going to disappear, and they will continue to patch it for awhile, they just wont be selling new copies. If you're that concerned about future builds, buy another XP copy now.
 
what is the deal with vista haters? i've never had a problem with it from the beginning. a program doesn't work? run it in xp sp2 mode, it usually runs fine. good god, i swear a lot of people like to complain about everything. do i like vista? yes, do i like xp? sure, but it's dated. and you know what people said about xp when it came out? "it takes up too many resources, i have to buy a whole new computer just to run this new OS. i hate you microsoft, you're no good"

pfft to those people.
 
People need to realize that not everything is going to last forever. Changes will be made and developments companies will have to make compatible software/hardware.

This has been happening for quite some time now so this isn't anything new.
 
maddude0025 said:
So don't upgrade. You XP license is not going to disappear, and they will continue to patch it for awhile, they just wont be selling new copies. If you're that concerned about future builds, buy another XP copy now.
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I thought the patches would stop. If i'm wrong sorry :)
 
bigted said:
what is the deal with vista haters? i've never had a problem with it from the beginning. a program doesn't work? run it in xp sp2 mode, it usually runs fine. good god, i swear a lot of people like to complain about everything. do i like vista? yes, do i like xp? sure, but it's dated. and you know what people said about xp when it came out? "it takes up too many resources, i have to buy a whole new computer just to run this new OS. i hate you microsoft, you're no good"

pfft to those people.
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My only issue with Vista is the performance drops I experienced in my games. My system is outdated I know but I don't want to upgrade yet. I tested Vista on my system with a clean install and I get about 25 avg. FPS in WoW with windows XP I get 43FPS avg. This is with ALL settings as high as they will go with all my addons installed. (all I did was copy my wow folder and run it on both builds. Thats a HUGE drop in performance. Vista actually looks very cool and I like the way it looks and I will upgrade when I have a system that can run it but for now I need the performance of windows XP.
 
i really don't care myself. i'll keep using xp until the day that i get totally stuck. why? i'll have a better computer then, vista will have more patches and fixes. thats how i'll make my transition. until then, xp works fine regardless of weather its 'dated' or not. if it isnt broke dont fix it.
 
Steve just worded it wrong. Microsoft is going to stop selling them in June. It doesn't mean YOU won't be able to buy copies from places that have an inventory of them built up in preparation for the stop. Or that you won't be able to get a PC with it installed on it.

I wouldn't doubt it if a lot of companies like Asus (for the EEE), Dell, etc.. are going to buy thousand of licenses before June, so they have a year suppy or more! Even some places like Newegg might stock pile a little inventory of the discs/lic's in advance.

I might buy one more XP disc if I can get one with SP3 already slip streamed. That way in case I build another PC soon, I'll have a license for it, and if I need to do any reinstalls on my other PC's I'll have all of those updates slipstreamed already.
 
Gott said:
People need to realize that not everything is going to last forever. Changes will be made and developments companies will have to make compatible software/hardware.

This has been happening for quite some time now so this isn't anything new.
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It's no problem for a consumer to make these changes. But I know from experience that upgrading an OS every few years is a huge undertaking. I coordinated a Sun Java upgrade for about 1000 or so credit union so they could use a check imaging application and it was SO difficult for the larger institutions to implement/migrate. I don't even want to think about an OS update...
 
SPARTAN VI said:
It's no problem for a consumer to make these changes. But I know from experience that upgrading an OS every few years is a huge undertaking. I coordinated a Sun Java upgrade for about 1000 or so credit union so they could use a check imaging application and it was SO difficult for the larger institutions to implement/migrate. I don't even want to think about an OS update...
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You're exactly right it takes months of planing and entire teams of people to implament an OS change. I work for a furtune 100 company and they are looking a vista and basicly said no way to upgrading because of the time involved and the lack of any real world reason to upgrade. They basicly said vista brought no real world reason to upgrade so they decided to can the project for now till it is more widly accepted. We are all runing around with new laptops that says "Windows Vista" on them but we have XP installed. The good side is we have TONS of OEM keys ROFLMAO :p
 
Dende said:
You're exactly right it takes months of planing and entire teams of people to implament an OS change. I work for a furtune 100 company and they are looking a vista and basicly said no way to upgrading because of the time involved and the lack of any real world reason to upgrade. They basicly said vista brought no real world reason to upgrade so they decided to can the project for now till it is more widly accepted. We are all runing around with new laptops that says "Windows Vista" on them but we have XP installed. The good side is we have TONS of OEM keys ROFLMAO :p
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Yep, months of planning only to run into dozens of problems regardless. Our company went out and purchased a handful of different proxies and hardware to emulate our customer institution's different network environment.

Hell, even upgrading to IE7 took forever. We had to go through a various vendors to make sure their technical staff have tested and certified IE7, made sure none of the Fed applications would be crippled, then had to go about making sure we could support our customer institution's when they use our web apps in IE7.

Perhaps MS could do some R&D on ways of seamlessly implementing a new OS if they insist on pushing out the latest. I know my office isn't going to touch Vista anytime soon. We're still using Win2000 and have a handful of WinXP workstations.
 
Azhar said:
:rolleyes:

I'm guessing you're basing your Vista "experience" on your 1gb system. OSX has been capable of being installed on a PC for years using hacks yet it still didn't pick up.
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That's a really dumb assertion. Installing OSX is too complicated for the average person.
 
XP Vista eh whatever floats your boat but this bullshit if you attempt to apply it to this community.

we maintain a constant stance of listening to our customers and our partners. That's what is guiding our plan, and will continue to guide us going forward.

Be advised that "customers" does NOT mean end users. Retail sales of the OS are a pittance compared to OEM sales and if/when the OEM customers determine it is in their best interest to exclusively install an OS that works better with more memory and more horsepower, its all over. 100,000 people can sign a "dont take my XP away site" but if Dell says (as an hypothetical example and yes I know they extended the XP availabilty because at this time it was hurting their sales) Vista only so we can sell more 4GB systems, its all over.

If you think MS or any of the "Customers" or "Partners" have any interest other than their bottom line, I got a bridge in Brooklyn I will sell ya for cheap.
 
THRESHIN said:
i really don't care myself. i'll keep using xp until the day that i get totally stuck. why? i'll have a better computer then, vista will have more patches and fixes. thats how i'll make my transition. until then, xp works fine regardless of weather its 'dated' or not. if it isnt broke dont fix it.
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The best I refuse to upgrade comment yet. Maybe because it so closely mirors my own thoughts.


BillParrish said:
XP Vista eh whatever floats your boat but this bullshit if you attempt to apply it to this community.

we maintain a constant stance of listening to our customers and our partners. That's what is guiding our plan, and will continue to guide us going forward.

Be advised that "customers" does NOT mean end users. Retail sales of the OS are a pittance compared to OEM sales and if/when the OEM customers determine it is in their best interest to exclusively install an OS that works better with more memory and more horsepower, its all over. 100,000 people can sign a "dont take my XP away site" but if Dell says (as an hypothetical example and yes I know they extended the XP availabilty because at this time it was hurting their sales) Vista only so we can sell more 4GB systems, its all over.

If you think MS or any of the "Customers" or "Partners" have any interest other than their bottom line, I got a bridge in Brooklyn I will sell ya for cheap.
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I have one in Harlem too, we can both get rich...
 
This sucks for people who are either running on old hardware or have legacy apps that do not work with Vista. For users getting new machines and have no software compatibility issues, there is no real reason to stick with XP at this point. Now that SP1 is out I think Vista is much more preferable in comparison. Security and security updates are way better than it was in XP, and device compatibility (some people are going to laugh because of how bad drivers were a year ago) is fantastic now.

All that said, I do wish that it ran better on older hardware. OS X revisions have consistently ran faster than prior versions while rolling in new features and improvements at the same time, and Ubuntu runs awesome on old hardware. It would be nice if Microsoft could do the same with their new operating systems as well.
 
Azhar said:
Doesn't Apple boast the simplicity of installing their operating system by just putting in the CD/DVD and answer a few simple questions?

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTM0OCwyLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==
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Installing or upgrading OS X on a Mac is one thing (stupid easy). Making OS X work via Hackintosh is something completely different. It takes a lot of research and effort on the part of whoever is building it. Unfortunately it isn't as easy as inserting the install DVD into a system you throw together and then it just installs.
 
Guys, they are only going to stop selling new copies of XP. Support will continue for many more years. Anyone who wants to "stick with" XP right now is free to do so and continue to receive complete support at least until Windows 7 is released. The only thing you won't be able to do is put a copy of XP on a new system, and if you're building a new system, you can pay $30 to get an extra GB of memory to run Vista.
 
HOCP4ME said:
Guys, they are only going to stop selling new copies of XP. Support will continue for many more years. Anyone who wants to "stick with" XP right now is free to do so and continue to receive complete support at least until Windows 7 is released. The only thing you won't be able to do is put a copy of XP on a new system, and if you're building a new system, you can pay $30 to get an extra GB of memory to run Vista.
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Period
 
maxius said:
they need to cut the second coming of windows ME and focus on getting windows 7 out asap
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if you think "windows 7" is going to run any faster than vista on the system in your sig, you are either high or youve been reading too much on the internets.
 
Being the patch monkey where I work, I don't think Windows Updates will go for 5-6 years. Without causing a flame war, go read the product life cycles. 2000 is EOL end of this year, and windows XP is only a couple of years younger. I think Microsoft made great advancement with Vista, in fact I think they are held off by worrying so much with compatibility. Try any operating system and it won't be so.

Windows 7 will probably be here before free security updates end. The shitty part about it is the 'non' security updates will end. For instance the time zone patches are 'non security'. You can fix the issue without the patch, but its a bitch. Just an example anyways.
 
Serpico said:
Installing or upgrading OS X on a Mac is one thing (stupid easy). Making OS X work via Hackintosh is something completely different. It takes a lot of research and effort on the part of whoever is building it. Unfortunately it isn't as easy as inserting the install DVD into a system you throw together and then it just installs.
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Anyone who knows how to download a torrent, burn a disk image, and boot from the DVD could install it. They've had all the cracks slipstreamed for awhile now.

Finding drivers might be a pain, but its not hard at all to get OSX running.
 
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