Windows Blue Update Leaks Out

Looks absolutely horrible.

I want a desktop OS.

Not huge ass squares waiting for my fingers or screens that look 200% larger with minimal information that are very clearly designed for tablets.

What is this shit?
 
Metrocall said:
No I'm gonna have to correct you here; OSX and Apple took an entirely different approach than Microsoft did. Apple decided that rather than merge two OS's, they would have iOS, which is obviously all touch, and OSX, which use a multitouch pad with gestures. Not only that, but these features are 100% customizable. If you don't want to use them, turn it off, and you can completely forget they existed. I rather like how they took some of the iOS features (which again you don't in any way have to use) and put them on OSX. I really like being able to answer texts on my computer and taking pictures on my phone and them instantly being on my computer with no interaction required.

I know that most here don't like Apple (and I feel like I am almost letting Wrench down :p ) so lets keep the hate towards Microsoft for at least one thread!
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I don't mind any os really. I prefer windows over OSX due to gaming capabilities and program compatibility, but prefer Ubuntu over them both if Ubuntu would have had the same software support natively. OSX does have a nice polished feel to it though.

I do think you are missing the point. Microsoft have taken many steps closer to Apple. Their app store is not unlike Apple's business model for selling apps on both OSX and IOS. While Apple have limited the IOS apps to portable devices like Iphone, Ipod and Ipad, Microsoft have given access to the apps over tablet, pc and phone.

Microsoft have something Apple doesn't have and thats a X86 tablet (surface pro) which can run desktop applications as well. They went even beyond Apple there.

Of course there are differences between their approach, but Apple has for a long time gone towards a tighter intergration and less boarders between the different devices. That you can turn off features doesn't remove the reason why they were created in the first place. The world is changing in how you interface with different hardware and Microsoft had to do that as well.

For me, Metro is just a big ass program launcher and I don't use the apps at all. However, the option is there is I get a Surface Pro or some other Microsoft portable device. For now, I use it like OSX launchpad (which is very similar to the desktop of IOS ;) )
 
Red Falcon said:
So, instead, Microsoft gives us a half-ass 'hybrid' OS that is a jack of all trades, but master of none.
Weak.
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What does that mean? The reason I use Windows, the reason millions use Windows is because of the hardware and software support. I've said it many times and you've discounted it many times but the point is simple and poweful. Where do people spend the vast majority of their time when using a computer? It is in applications. I don't live in the Start Screen on a desktop or laptop or tablet. I live in Visual Studio or Office or a web browser or a game or one and a ton of different applications. One screen, two screens, three screens, touch screens, laptops, tablets, desktops, everything I did in Windows 7 and then some, it's all there in Windows 8.

Yes Windows 8 has its flaws. And yet no single OS at this point can do what it is does.
 
heatlesssun said:
The reason I use Windows, the reason millions use Windows is because of the hardware and software support.
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The real reason millions of users use Windows:
Red Falcon said:
The only reason Microsoft is making sales with Win 8 at this point is because the masses don't know the difference (until they use it) with the tablet/desktop/laptop devices it comes pre-installed on.
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So basically, yeah, it's the default OS that comes on the majority of PC devices.
Believe me, if individuals had a choice between Win 8 and other OSes, I highly doubt that they would go with Win 8.

But that's just me, based on 100% of everyone's reactions I've encountered when talking to them about their opinion of Win 8.
 
RangerXML said:
Eww...I got blue on me.

The hate for Vista I can understand, I mean I was flipping back and forth between Vista and XP for several months until things smoothed out. The hate for 8, is something I have a hard time understanding, because there are no 'real' drawbacks to 8, just no Start button. Its like, what do you hate about 8, well it looks ugly...you know you can function from the desktop, one extra click; there is no Start button...right click in the corner where the Start button was and there is so much more; I can't turn off my PC...Google, freaken 5 seconds of your life; performance sucks...hmm, no it doesn't. Change, adapt, or die; as Pear Jam would say, "It's evolution BABY!"
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They have Pear Jam now? That is evolution :O







Don't worry, I know who Pearl Jam are :p
 
I'd like to cue up David Bowie's "Changes" to better enjoy this announcement, but there are none. Changes, that is.
 
Just bring back the UI from 7. Ditch the fucking ribbon. Maybe make it boot faster or something. This isn't rocket science. It's amazing how badly Microsoft is fucking up right now.
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
I don't mind any os really. I prefer windows over OSX due to gaming capabilities and program compatibility, but prefer Ubuntu over them both if Ubuntu would have had the same software support natively. OSX does have a nice polished feel to it though.
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It's gonna be hard to argue any sort of semantics over the looks and feel of an OS, I too agree for gaming Windows is superior but as time has gone on the games I like have been coming to OSX (SC2 and XCOM for example). I still use Windows for games like Arma 3 and at this point I only use it for that. This makes all the new stuff in Windows 8 completely worthless.

I do think you are missing the point. Microsoft have taken many steps closer to Apple. Their app store is not unlike Apple's business model for selling apps on both OSX and IOS. While Apple have limited the IOS apps to portable devices like Iphone, Ipod and Ipad, Microsoft have given access to the apps over tablet, pc and phone.
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Yes, Microsoft has taken steps closer to Apple but ironically Apple has significantly more customization than Windows 8 in terms of its UI without third party applications :rolleyes: . I never use the App store and have never felt the need to do so. The apps that run on OSX and iOS are entirely different.

Microsoft have something Apple doesn't have and thats a X86 tablet (surface pro) which can run desktop applications as well. They went even beyond Apple there.
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Apple seems to have decided that if you want something that the Surface Pro offers, than the Mac Air is roughly the same price and the way to go. An iPad will do most of what most people actually use computers for; Facebook, Office, and Internet. ARM processors perform these tasks with much greater efficiency than any current x86 CPU.

Of course there are differences between their approach, but Apple has for a long time gone towards a tighter intergration and less boarders between the different devices. That you can turn off features doesn't remove the reason why they were created in the first place. The world is changing in how you interface with different hardware and Microsoft had to do that as well.
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You're confusing programs with features and UI changes, the UI of OSX is relatively untouched. The world is indeed changing but Microsoft fails to realize the difference between a brick wall and a gradual slope.

For me, Metro is just a big ass program launcher and I don't use the apps at all. However, the option is there is I get a Surface Pro or some other Microsoft portable device. For now, I use it like OSX launchpad (which is very similar to the desktop of IOS ;) )
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I would agree about Metro. I never use and personally dislike Lauchpad. I however love and use Misson Control/Exposé.
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
You are using windows 8 on Nexus and Ipad (via splashtop or similar?), and then bitch about how hard it is not to have a winkey? Use the sweep options, add a bluetooth keyboard to your ipad or bitch to Splashtop Inc for not having support for your use of their software. Perhaps they will add a winkey for you on their virtual keyboard.
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I use RDP. I had never a problem with 7 but 8 is another story.
 
Proof that the 'shareholders' have moved in with directives to make more cash and some 'executive' pitched that turning Desktops into phones and tablets will make them more cash.

Their behavior now is based on doubling down. This is a move for 'decision makers' to protect their careers rather than a decision makers trying to protect the company.

All arguments aside, regardless of who is right or wrong, enough people are in an 'angry' or annoyed state that the company should be reaching out to them with at least an apology about how things have worked out if not actual change. Instead, that's completely ignored.
 
The only thing I'm still waiting for is the ability to customize Window Title text color which at the moment is not customizable at all. If I set the theme to black I can't see my window titles.
 
I like how people rip on IE11 for looking like IE10 where firefox,, what was it, around 7? through, what is it this week? 5129865? have all looked the same (heck they don't even have the major issues with addons working between major revisions any more, which is good since they release several a week), and every single version of chrome ever, which is another really high number, all look the same too.
 
siliconnerd said:
Oh wow, 4 windows at once. Now Mcrosoft is reimplementing features found in Windows 1.0! Maybe the next version of Windows will add support for Windows 2.0's messy windows design and Apple will sue them again.
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i was just going to post about this why are we going backwards here?
flat shaded windows only 4 windows at time why not take way over lapping windows next :rolleyes:

Windows 8 is massive step back
 
I love how people just default back to "the PC is no longer selling" as some sort of lame validation for Windows 8 being ok to use. ENOUGH.

Everyone's hate here for Windows 8 is not blind. It's logical and well thought out.

Even the experts dislike Windows 8.

In fact, for the people that are ok with Windows 8, I would have to say you have very little history with the PC over all - OR - you just don't care - OR - you are clearly not an enthusiast.
 
Red Falcon said:
So basically, yeah, it's the default OS that comes on the majority of PC devices.
Believe me, if individuals had a choice between Win 8 and other OSes, I highly doubt that they would go with Win 8.

But that's just me, based on 100% of everyone's reactions I've encountered when talking to them about their opinion of Win 8.
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How much do you want to bet that the average consumer when given a choice between Windows 8 and any other non-Windows OS on the desktop would pick Windows 8 by a wide margin?

"Linux is way better than Windows 8, it has a Start Button, it's just 100% incompatible with your existing desktop software. But look, Start Button! You only need a Start Button!" Isn't that the reason people say that Windows RT isn't doing well?
 
Red Falcon said:
Once again proving that you are [H]ard's personal Microsoft spokesman/salesman.
Don't get pissed when people treat you like you work for Microsoft, because you're totally pulling it off.
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I agree, there's no room for objective posts on the internet. Those who present their findings on a product are shills.
 
heatlesssun said:
Yet plenty of people are using Windows 8 on the desktop with the same desktop programs they have forever without issue. There seems to be this need by Windows 8 opponents to make fantastically broad claims about its usability on the desktop.

I understand that its different, that some have issue with the full screen Start Screen, the mixing of Metro with the desktop and so forth. After 18 months of Windows 8 use I simply can't see these radical differences on the desktop, probably because I spend the vast majority of my time in applications and not in Start Screen or Start Menu.
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I don't use 8, but I distinctly recall the similar UI complaints when 7 came out. "It's not windows XP." "Why'd they get rid of the classic start menu." "The new start menu takes up too much space." "It's too hard to find stuff in the new control panel."
 
RangerXML said:
Eww...I got blue on me.
The hate for 8, is something I have a hard time understanding, because there are no 'real' drawbacks to 8, just no Start button. Its like, what do you hate about 8, well it looks ugly...you know you can function from the desktop, one extra click; there is no Start button...right click in the corner where the Start button was and there is so much more; I can't turn off my PC...Google, freaken 5 seconds of your life; performance sucks...hmm, no it doesn't. Change, adapt, or die; as Pear Jam would say, "It's evolution BABY!"
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More like devolution.

I can take one of my users at the office who has been using Windows XP for years, upgrade them to Windows 7, and with 5 minutes of training, they are using the new system.

Upgrade them to Windows 8, and I'll be getting calls for weeks because they can't find the start button, or can't figure out how to shut it down.

With Windows XP & 7, once they logged in, everything they need is accessable from the start button, or sitting on thier desktop.
With Windows 8, nothing they need is accessable until they switch to the start screen. Even when they find the start button, certain functions are now hidden in the corners. How does that make sense?
This is worse then the change from Office 2003 to 2007/10.

These are general office users, not power users.
To put it in perspective, I sometimes get calls because they "lost" thier taskbar and can't find it. (they accidently hid iit)
 
heatlesssun said:
How much do you want to bet that the average consumer when given a choice between Windows 8 and any other non-Windows OS on the desktop would pick Windows 8 by a wide margin?

"Linux is way better than Windows 8, it has a Start Button, it's just 100% incompatible with your existing desktop software. But look, Start Button! You only need a Start Button!" Isn't that the reason people say that Windows RT isn't doing well?
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Um, Linux does not have any native GUI, so the whole "start button" thing is optional, and more or less depends on the GUI.
You see, Linux allows individuals to have OS freedom and choices for their needs, something that the excuse of an OS Win 8 has yet to figure out.

Windows RT isn't doing well because NOTHING is supported on it, save for Office.
A proprietary Microsoft OS on top of an ARM architecture does not bode well with individuals.


Don't even bring Linux into this, because you know abso-fucking-lutely nothing about it.
Try comparing Windows 7 to Windows 8 instead, that's a more accurate example for the argument at hand.

If given the choice between OSes, most individuals buying a desktop or laptop would go with Windows 7.
If given the choice between OSes, most individuals buying a tablet will probably go with Droid/Linux or iOS; why? Because the tablets (aka media consumption devices) are cheaper and do what they want without the hassle and bullshit that Windows 8 brings.

Every SINGLE person I have talked to about Windows 8 who has used it for more than a month, absolutely hates it.
Those who have used it for less than a month want to throw holy water on it and kill it with fire.

It would be funny if I were exaggerating about it, but those were their real responses and their words.
You can keep up your act about the "productivity" that Windows 8 supposedly has, but anyone who has used it will know that your statements about "productivity" are total bullshit.

For the last few months, I've personally stayed out of your way on this forum when it comes to Microsoft/Windows 8 threads, because I wanted to see what others have had to say to your opinions and "experiences" with Windows 8.
I find that their responses to almost everything you tout about Win 8 are almost exactly like my own.

In fact, what everyone who has apposed Windows 8 in this thread alone has stated, I have been saying since before Windows 8's release.
One doesn't need 20+ years of experience to realize what a craptastic pile of vomit Windows 8 really is.

If YOU want to use Windows 8 and it works for you, then more power to you.
As for the rest of us, we vote with our wallets.

Fuck you, Microsoft/Windows 8.
Every other OS in existence, ftw.
 
nilepez said:
I agree, there's no room for objective posts on the internet. Those who present their findings on a product are shills.
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heat's posts are not what I would call 'objective', but more 'advertising/marketing' in nature.
Many many other users on here would most likely agree with that statement.

His blind-following of Microsoft and their products truly amazes me.
 
nutzo said:
More like devolution.

I can take one of my users at the office who has been using Windows XP for years, upgrade them to Windows 7, and with 5 minutes of training, they are using the new system.

Upgrade them to Windows 8, and I'll be getting calls for weeks because they can't find the start button, or can't figure out how to shut it down.

With Windows XP & 7, once they logged in, everything they need is accessable from the start button, or sitting on thier desktop.
With Windows 8, nothing they need is accessable until they switch to the start screen. Even when they find the start button, certain functions are now hidden in the corners. How does that make sense?
This is worse then the change from Office 2003 to 2007/10.

These are general office users, not power users.
To put it in perspective, I sometimes get calls because they "lost" thier taskbar and can't find it. (they accidently hid iit)
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I worked at an IT fair last january.

"Im not buying it if it cant downgrade to win7"

"if you want me to use win8 , i'd rather learn mac os X"

Taiwan customers know better imho.

They know Windows 8 is shit.
 
SixFootDuo said:
Even the experts dislike Windows 8.

In fact, for the people that are ok with Windows 8, I would have to say you have very little history with the PC over all - OR - you just don't care - OR - you are clearly not an enthusiast.
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LOL! It's hilarious to me to read something like this when I bothered to download this leak, put in a spare hard drive in a device so as not to disturb any production grade software, install this leak on that spare hard drive and test it on convertible Tablet PC with a Wacom digitizer and touch and attach it to a secondary monitor to test the changes as many of enhancements in Metro are related to multiple monitor use.
 
Red Falcon said:
Um, Linux does not have any native GUI, so the whole "start button" thing is optional, and more or less depends on the GUI.
You see, Linux allows individuals to have OS freedom and choices for their needs, something that the excuse of an OS Win 8 has yet to figure out.
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Windows 8 also gives people the freedom to choose among, I've lost count, how many Start Menus? Many of them free. The problems that some people are having with Windows 8 have absolutely nothing to do when since the choices are there.
 
Elios said:
i was just going to post about this why are we going backwards here?
flat shaded windows only 4 windows at time why not take way over lapping windows next :rolleyes:

Windows 8 is massive step back
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Looks like Metro Theme.
 
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