Windows Blue Update Leaks Out

heatlesssun said:
Yet plenty of people are using Windows 8 on the desktop with the same desktop programs they have forever without issue. There seems to be this need by Windows 8 opponents to make fantastically broad claims about its usability on the desktop.

I understand that its different, that some have issue with the full screen Start Screen, the mixing of Metro with the desktop and so forth. After 18 months of Windows 8 use I simply can't see these radical differences on the desktop, probably because I spend the vast majority of my time in applications and not in Start Screen or Start Menu.
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I find Win8 easier to use then Win7 now that I am used to it. For those that can't find the start button, here's a picture of it: ;)

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Winkey + X brings up another wonderful menu:
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I'm not using any apps and use start screen as a fullscreen launcher instead. It can be navigated with arrow keys, home, end etc. and enter for select. Fast and easy for heavy keyboard users. I prefer the new start screen over the tree navigation system of the old start button menu. With old start menu, I had to pin the most used programs to it, while on the new start screen, I get a large surface to quickly locate and access my programs with a single press on winkey.

In my opinion, the new start screen is superior vs. the old start menu. Could have preferred smaller icons though.
 
As long as you require a third party addon to restore what should be a basic functionality it will remain a failure of an OS.
 
RangerXML said:
Eww...I got blue on me.

The hate for Vista I can understand, I mean I was flipping back and forth between Vista and XP for several months until things smoothed out. The hate for 8, is something I have a hard time understanding, because there are no 'real' drawbacks to 8, just no Start button.
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Wrong, it has a start button. They call it the Charms Bar, and it's shit. The start screen is a task panel.
Its like, what do you hate about 8, well it looks ugly...you know you can function from the desktop, one extra click; there is no Start button...right click in the corner where the Start button was and there is so much more; I can't turn off my PC...Google, freaken 5 seconds of your life; performance sucks...hmm, no it doesn't.
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The fact that I had to Google to shut down Windows 8 should tell you how badly designed the UI is. When I first got Windows 95 it was the first thing I learned how to do on a PC, cause it's visible when I click start.

Besides...

Metro apps are full screen.
Can't disable Metro UI from starting up.
Can't disable Metro UI at all.
Can't switch to start button over Charms bar.

Besides the common problems with switching over to a new OS, like drivers and software that's compatible. Which is surprising that I found a few within the first 30 minutes of using Windows 8.

Change, adapt, or die; as Pear Jam would say, "It's evolution BABY!"
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Gabe Newell would like to have a world with you.
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Tamlin_WSGF said:
I find Win8 easier to use then Win7 now that I am used to it. For those that can't find the start button, here's a picture of it: ;)

winkey1.png


Winkey + X brings up another wonderful menu:
Win-X-Menu-Screenshot-_1_thumb.png


I'm not using any apps and use start screen as a fullscreen launcher instead. It can be navigated with arrow keys, home, end etc. and enter for select. Fast and easy for heavy keyboard users. I prefer the new start screen over the tree navigation system of the old start button menu. With old start menu, I had to pin the most used programs to it, while on the new start screen, I get a large surface to quickly locate and access my programs with a single press on winkey.

In my opinion, the new start screen is superior vs. the old start menu. Could have preferred smaller icons though.
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What happens when you don't have to fucking windows button on your device?
 
siliconnerd said:
Oh wow, 4 windows at once. Now Mcrosoft is reimplementing features found in Windows 1.0! Maybe the next version of Windows will add support for Windows 2.0's messy windows design and Apple will sue them again.
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Does win8 even have Reversi? That was probably one of the biggest selling points of windows. Steve Ballmer was so enthusiastic about that one. :D
 
Wrench00 said:
What happens when you don't have to fucking windows button on your device?
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You fucking get a keyboard that is compatible with the os you are running? :p

It can be accessed in lower left corner with the mouse. If you rightclick on it, you get the winkey+x menu.
 
I see rounded corners in there. A bit jaggy. But maybe apple doesn't care as long as they are jaggy.
 
Wrench00 said:
I don't mind the start screen, but I fucking hate the charms bar, who the fuck thinks its a good fucking idea to put a passive element into a generally active element OS. Its a fucking nightmare to get it to come up through Remote Session.
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This, hot corners are a lesson in frustration when you don't have physical corners to use, like a VM or remoting in.
 
Ashbringer said:
But can the Start Screen be disabled from starting up, or disabled all together? What about a start button to replace the Charms Bar? Cause essentially the Charms Bar is a shitty start button. The Metro UI is a shitty Task Panel.
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As far as I can tell the Start Screen can't be disabled out of the box. Actually the Start Screen is persistent now. I have my x220t connected to an external monitor and the Start Screen can remain on the other screen while running apps (desktop and Metro) on the other.
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
You fucking get a keyboard that is compatible with the os you are running? :p

It can be accessed in lower left corner with the mouse. If you rightclick on it, you get the winkey+x menu.
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If I wanted an OS that forced me to use shortcut keys, I'd be using OS X, k thx, bye.
Once again, Microsoft is trying to be like Apple.
 
heatlesssun said:
As far as I can tell the Start Screen can't be disabled out of the box. Actually the Start Screen is persistent now. I have my x220t connected to an external monitor and the Start Screen can remain on the other screen while running apps (desktop and Metro) on the other.
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Oh you have experienced my frustration.
 
heatlesssun said:
As far as I can tell the Start Screen can't be disabled out of the box. Actually the Start Screen is persistent now. I have my x220t connected to an external monitor and the Start Screen can remain on the other screen while running apps (desktop and Metro) on the other.
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So your wasting your 2nd monitor on a start screen?

Sounds efficient use of a hundreds worth of dollars of hardware.
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
You fucking get a keyboard that is compatible with the os you are running? :p

It can be accessed in lower left corner with the mouse. If you rightclick on it, you get the winkey+x menu.
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Yes I am sure I am gone run out and get a fucking keyboard for my Nexus or my Ipad. Yes brilliant a 4 inch phone with a 24"X10 inch keyboard. Oh wow portability and ease of access why didn't I think of this?!
 
Red Falcon said:
If I wanted an OS that forced me to use shortcut keys, I'd be using OS X, k thx, bye.
Once again, Microsoft is trying to be like Apple.
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It doesn't force you to use shortcut keys, but using shortcut keys are faster once you learn them. That goes for most programs really. I do agree that this is in a direction of Apple though.
 
Metrocall said:
This, hot corners are a lesson in frustration when you don't have physical corners to use, like a VM or remoting in.
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I know its a fucking peta.. Upside is I am getting very good with powershell..

To bad I can't do a core install of Windows 8 with No UI what so ever.
 
Wrench00 said:
So your wasting your 2nd monitor on a start screen?

Sounds efficient use of a hundreds worth of dollars of hardware.
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Start Screen persistence on a secondary monitor was actually a highly requested feature. I understand that most Windows 8 opponents think that everyone hates Windows 8 but I've spent time looking at both sides have been talking about and I've seen a lot of people bring this one up. In any case one can run whatever they want on other screens, the Start Screen is merely persists by intent.
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
It doesn't force you to use shortcut keys, but using shortcut keys are faster once you learn them. That goes for most programs really. I do agree that this is in a direction of Apple though.
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You still missing the point.
 
So desktop users since Win 8's release have been screaming to get the start button and boot to desktop back, yet all MS does is plug its ears and release Blue...their stubbornness is really going to cost them big.
 
Still looks like shit stacked on top of a tablet OS.

Good news about ie11, looks like I'll finally be trying Firefox or Chrome soon(Still using w7 for obvious reasons).
 
pcjunkie said:
So desktop users since Win 8's release have been screaming to get the start button and boot to desktop back, yet all MS does is plug its ears and release Blue...their stubbornness is really going to cost them big.
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Sad part is they probably make enough money through OEM sales that they really could not care less what users really think. They just have to make sure win7 can no longer be bought.
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
It doesn't force you to use shortcut keys, but using shortcut keys are faster once you learn them. That goes for most programs really. I do agree that this is in a direction of Apple though.
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While I agree, it doesn't make sense for Microsoft to get rid of the GUI shortcuts that have been tried and true, as well.
Unless of course they are so afraid that users might bork their OSes by playing in things they don't understand and Microsoft doesn't want to have to deal with it.

Seriously, couldn't Microsoft have included desktop/laptop/tablet modes and an admin/standard-user modes as well?
It just seems silly that they did things this way, locking their users into a glorified tablet OS.
 
Wrench00 said:
Yes I am sure I am gone run out and get a fucking keyboard for my Nexus or my Ipad. Yes brilliant a 4 inch phone with a 24"X10 inch keyboard. Oh wow portability and ease of access why didn't I think of this?!
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You are using windows 8 on Nexus and Ipad (via splashtop or similar?), and then bitch about how hard it is not to have a winkey? Use the sweep options, add a bluetooth keyboard to your ipad or bitch to Splashtop Inc for not having support for your use of their software. Perhaps they will add a winkey for you on their virtual keyboard.
 
theboxmx3 said:
good god, windows 8 hate is so ridiculous :mad:
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It makes you wonder though, is all of this opposition just from blind "haters"? This isn't like everyone ragging on Apple which they love to do here, these are users that probably have used Windows most their lives and have consistently paid to get the latest and greatest from Microsoft.

I used it for the free 90 days and went to back to Windows 7 (for games only at this point). It wasn't terrible but for $40/100, I didn't see any benefit. How exactly does a nicer task manager or two second boot decrease add to say my Arma 3 experience?
 
pcjunkie said:
So desktop users since Win 8's release have been screaming to get the start button and boot to desktop back, yet all MS does is plug its ears and release Blue...their stubbornness is really going to cost them big.
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I hope it does.
What they've done with this OS is just beyond all logic or comprehension, especially when their user-base has been shouting for something different.

The only reason Microsoft is making sales with Win 8 at this point is because the masses don't know the difference (until they use it) with the tablet/desktop/laptop devices it comes pre-installed on.
 
Red Falcon said:
While I agree, it doesn't make sense for Microsoft to get rid of the GUI shortcuts that have been tried and true, as well.
Unless of course they are so afraid that users might bork their OSes by playing in things they don't understand and Microsoft doesn't want to have to deal with it.

Seriously, couldn't Microsoft have included desktop/laptop/tablet modes and an admin/standard-user modes as well?
It just seems silly that they did things this way, locking their users into a glorified tablet OS.
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Its a transition and its not only Microsoft that goes in that direction. Ubuntu with Unity, OSX, tablets, smart-tv's and even consoles have changed the way people interact with different hardware. Much have become more touch oriented as well, since touch interface have become more common. Microsoft had to go in this direction, since the borders between mobile phones and other portables and PC's have become less distinct. With Metro, Microsoft have made a common interface across devices and I won't be suprised if we find the same elements in the new Xbox 720.

But, the way Microsoft did it, makes it easier for me as a heavy keyboard user, since Win8 actually improved on my productivity by making it fast and accessable without even touching the mouse. I always have found the tree menu annoying to navigate and have used taskbar to a much greater extent because of it.

Having a screen that pops up with icons of my programs which I have grouped, makes my programs easy to spot and open. The search menu (winkey+f) is also improved, where searches are (roughly) grouped as well.

Windows desktop works just as well in windows 8 as in windows 7 + some improvements there as well. :)
 
Hate away folks, hate away. :D Keep doing that well I enjoy my computer just as I want it with Windows 8. :D I am sure glad I actually base what I use on my own personal experience.

I will continue to enjoy what I use well you haters whine and cry. :D Looking forward to Windows Blue and the improvements it brings with it. I have found that as the days go one, the less and less you guys thoughts about computers mean anything to me and what I use.
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
Its a transition and its not only Microsoft that goes in that direction. Ubuntu with Unity, OSX, tablets, smart-tv's and even consoles have changed the way people interact with different hardware.
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No I'm gonna have to correct you here; OSX and Apple took an entirely different approach than Microsoft did. Apple decided that rather than merge two OS's, they would have iOS, which is obviously all touch, and OSX, which use a multitouch pad with gestures. Not only that, but these features are 100% customizable. If you don't want to use them, turn it off, and you can completely forget they existed. I rather like how they took some of the iOS features (which again you don't in any way have to use) and put them on OSX. I really like being able to answer texts on my computer and taking pictures on my phone and them instantly being on my computer with no interaction required.

I know that most here don't like Apple (and I feel like I am almost letting Wrench down :p ) so lets keep the hate towards Microsoft for at least one thread!
 
This has come up a million times

For me, the failure in Win8 is that its trying to be 2 things at once.

IMO, it should have been two different versions.

There should have been a Tablet version, ala, Metro, and no desktop, built for touch screen.

Then there should have been the Desktop version, ala, a full Desktop experience up front (like Win7), no Metro.

Problem solved

It's a hybrid trying to succeed at multiple things, and failing at all of them

Instead, it should have been more specific to the platform its installed on
 
Brent_Justice said:
This has come up a million times

For me, the failure in Win8 is that its trying to be 2 things at once.

IMO, it should have been two different versions.

There should have been a Tablet version, ala, Metro, and no desktop, built for touch screen.

Then there should have been the Desktop version, ala, a full Desktop experience up front (like Win7), no Metro.

Problem solved

It's a hybrid trying to succeed at multiple things, and failing at all of them

Instead, it should have been more specific to the platform its installed on
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The problem with this though is that the desktop market is not growing. Even Macs are getting hit now.
 
heatlesssun said:
The problem with this though is that the desktop market is not growing. Even Macs are getting hit now.
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So, instead, Microsoft gives us a half-ass 'hybrid' OS that is a jack of all trades, but master of none.
Weak.
 
I posit a question:

Can they call it Windows when Metro lacks proper windows?
 
heatlesssun said:
The problem with this though is that the desktop market is not growing. Even Macs are getting hit now.
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The tablet market is booming, but that doesn't mean you should crap up your desktop operating system and piss off users. MS could have made a proper tablet OS that wouldn't need to fumble about with the desktop -- and the reason for this was because MS hasn't yet made a truly touch-friendly MS Office, so they had to have the desktop to run Office on the WinRT.

It's a beta OS that somehow made it to RTM.
 
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