Very interesting, I know optimising directX was a major selling point in Vista, but I haven't heard anything about W8. This could be the killer app for people around here!Crysis runthrough from coming out of the water until you hit the first road past the humvee that comes in for reenforcement.
Windows 8 Avg of 65 FPS
Windows 7 Avg of 47 FPS
It should do. W8 is very strict about how background programs are suspended. Unless they are specifically written to carry on background tasks (eg, updating a news feed), they are stopped.. dead!While working on laptops, Is there any SIGNIFICANT improvement in battery backup compared to Windows VISTA?
Another side issue .... finger touch will NOT disable....i go into control panel and set it to disable, and it doesnt disable....Wacom Drivers are so - so in this (bottom left of screen when in laptop mode) has no recognition in Win 8, while in Win 7 it worked w/o issue .... just a few quirks here/ there , all with drivers straight from HP's site(when windows included/found ones did not function)
Yeah, I don't know what's up with you pen drivers. The everything pen and touch wise with the exception of button support worked perfectly out of the box on my EP121 and I can disable touch from Pen and Touch settings.
The EP121 uses Wacom drivers, I would have figured that the same base drivers would have installed on your 2740. The checking off the touch input does indeed disable it on the EP121.I can "disable them" however they dont truely become disabled is the issue.....probably just a kink on Wacom's part, the P121 uses N-Trig doesnt it ?
The EP121 uses Wacom drivers, I would have figured that the same base drivers would have installed on your 2740. The checking off the touch input does indeed disable it on the EP121.
So did the pen or touch work out of the box? What about during installation? Pen and touch worked perfectly for me straight from the beginning.Keep in mind, i am using the ones from HP's site for Win 7, not the ones from Wacom....maybe i should give those a go....however I am getting to notice more and more subtle irregularities/issues that will hold me back from using it on the tablet ..
So did the pen or touch work out of the box? What about during installation? Pen and touch worked perfectly for me straight from the beginning.
Yeah, having Windows 8 on both my EP121 and a desktop I'm noticing that most of the issues are driver related. The desktop is working almost perfectly with the exception on HomeGroups, they are a little flaky but are backwards compatible with 7 Homegroups, which is cool because I can't live without Homegroups now.no shit, I was trying to get ideas since others have similar hardware with no issues
Let me guess - too tablet/slate/smartphone-ish?After trying the Dev Preview, I personally can't stand the Metro GUI. I hope that they allow full customization & configuration of the GUI. Whatever new version of Aero Glass is built-in, I'll take that instead.
What we would then be basically saying is that companies that compete with Microsoft are allowed to be risky; however, Microsoft itself is not.I have been playing with this a bit and it is certainly one of the most risky things M$ has ever done with an OS. The image above with all the versions of windows since 3.1 got me thinking about the interface. And more or less it has always been fairly standard. You have a start button in the bottom right, a task bar on the bottom and a desktop. But this is complete different. For over 20 years we have seen the same basic layout and TBH I dont think people can handle the change.
For me personally I see some cool things in windows 8, obviously tablets and touch devices . But beyond that it makes a pretty good UI for an HTPC. But right now it is no where near polished enough and alot of things are not intuitive enough for basic users. I sat an 8 year old down and observed what they could and could not figure out and there are to many things which cannot be figured out without knowledge of windows shortcuts.
Also it is in fact a layer on top of windows 7 no matter what M$ claims and there is far to much that is just 2 ways to do the same thing. This is going to piss off people more than anything. Lets hope they have some major revisions coming down the pipeline otherwise we are going to see M$ giving google the perfect event to take advantage of for moving into the desktop space.
So basically I see promise but in the end it will all come down to execution and cleaning up the details.
Also I heard a comment about it on NPR I thought it was funny the only thing they could talk about was some new error message that replaces the BSODs. Those guys can barely breath coming off of steve jobs cock long enough to gasp some useless negative detail no one even cares about in windows 8.
This simply isn't true. First of all, Windows 8 will be 100% backwards compatible with Windows 7 software and hardware. Secondly, the new Start Screen works very much like the classic Start Menu and shell, the only thing that's really missing as far as I can tell is that the new Start Screen doesn't support folders.So the only thing M$ is gaining from this is tablet usability. But they are sacrificing some desktop functionality.
Settings charm from the Start Screen.Has anyone figured out how to shut off the computer faster? Currently I have to log off, then it drops me on a home screen, then I have to push the home screen up and press the power icon. This is worse than that annoying shut off in XP.
you can press ctrl-alt-del and the shutdown options is in the lower left.Has anyone figured out how to shut off the computer faster? Currently I have to log off, then it drops me on a home screen, then I have to push the home screen up and press the power icon. This is worse than that annoying shut off in XP.
Again, you're basically restricting what Microsoft is allowed to do (albeit indirectly) by shackling it to legacy UIs (if not APIs) all in the name of *safety*.Ya actually it is sad but it is kinda true. If M$ was a near pure monopoly with no competition in site, then they could pull this off. But right now apple is taking alot of market share in the computer sector and google is dominating the mobile sector.
I can guarentee you this, the metro UI is NOT going to be a smash hit that converts recent mac users back to windows. And it is not going to be accepted by the vast majority of windows people. Remember what happened when we went from xp to vista and how many people just could not handle the changes like the ribbon interface.
So the only thing M$ is gaining from this is tablet usability. But they are sacrificing some desktop functionality. They need to totally rethink this. If I were them I would make metro so it had a line of tiles at the bottom that were functionally replacing the windows 7 taskbar. And I would make sure you could still close each problem. There needs to be 1 place where you can see all your open programs. You cannot have this shit where you have 2 IEs running at the same time and you have various programs where you do not know if they are open or not. At least make it so pinned programs in metro that are currently running have a different look so people know it
No more I bet than the number of people that know how to turn off their smart phones. Really, it ain't that hard to figure out.Most people that sit down in front of 8 right now cannot even figure out how to turn the machine off. If you google windows 8 shutdown the first thing you see is a page of howtos in videos it is such a rube goldberg mechanism.
Where it's supposed to be? Yes it's in a different place now Settings -> Power. It's like you're saying that Microsoft can't ever change ANYTHING as something will not be where "it's supposed to be."Some of you guys sound like mac zealots defending M$ at any cost. No one can deny with honesty that shutting down windows 8 right now is not where it should be. It takes less steps to shut down my phone which is designed to never be shutdown unlike a computer.
Microsoft is pushing Metro due to it being inherently multiplatform, which current traditional applications are not. It's called *niche development* vs. *multiplatform development*. (Didn't we just have this conversation about game development?)I still disagree about Win 8 not disrupting classic desktop operations too much. And MS pushing Metro Apps over traditional desktop apps will only compound the issue. What makes the Win7 desktop superior to the Win8 Metro UI for a desktop computer is the actual desktop Metaphor. It's a much better design for work flow. This whole "full screen immersive apps" stuff is fine for mobile platforms, but terrible for productivity on desktop computers.
All too true.Having used Windows 8 on a desktop for the last couple of weeks to get started in developing Metro apps, Sure things are different which is of course disruptive but after about 10 minutes everything became pretty straight forward. Sure there's rough edges that need to be worked on but developing code is a fairly "desktop oriented" thing and it just hasn't been a problem doing everything I normally do on a desktop.
I think for technical and experienced users the changes will be more divisive than for average people who most I think will just will simply adjust as long as the transition isn't difficult.
The Metro UI isn't about niche vs Multiplatform. WinRT is. I'm talking about the desktop Metaphor. That is the ability to use the logical desktop area as a workspace. I use it to temporarily store and organize all my current projects and work, filing them off to folders later. This metaphor works MUCH better for managing my workflow than the MetroUI.Microsoft is pushing Metro due to it being inherently multiplatform, which current traditional applications are not. It's called *niche development* vs. *multiplatform development*. (Didn't we just have this conversation about game development?)
Also, traditional and Metro applications can co-exist, on the same computer. The bigger issue is that tablets and slates will have issues with classic applications due to lack of support for specific hardware present on traditional desktops; however, desktop PCs, by and large, won't have the reverse issue with Immersive.