Windows 10 Updates Ruin Everything

I have lost some progress on projects before because Windows did patch Tuesday stuff at night and rebooted and closed out my program. So I sit down to the computer in the morning and it's a blank desktop and I'm like what happened? Oh ya......
 
nilepez said:
It takes these steps to change the default update settings on Windows 10 Pro (don't have home).
Start button
type windows update
down arrow
<enter>
Click top drop down and change to Notify to schedule restart

All of that takes about 5-10 seconds, depending on how fast you type.

As for the rest, I don't know, but you can easily change any connection to not automatically connect.
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Regardless Restart My Machine shouldn't be the default settings. I get that people weren't updating. However, that truly is their fault. Shutting down the machine on it's own without your input is not. You can make Linux install updates on it's own. You know what it doesn't do? Restart your machine without you prompting it to. I'm sorry that's just a dumb default. I get that it's easy to change. That's not the problem here. The problem is that software should not act in unintended ways and restarting the machine when the utilization has to be at like 60% with at least 4GB or more of memory in use just isn't.

If MS wants to automate that's fine. But damn make it smarter than that.

You mean to tell me that Windows 10 can track my porn use, recommend that I install Office 365, offer up ads to buy my grandmother underwear, tell me what time it is in Singapore, but can't not shut itself down when in obvious use!?!?

Look we are all computer people here but I'm sorry that's just BS of the highest order.
 
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i always wodnerd wy windows update didnt have and downlaod and isntaller automatically give me a slight notice if idle. but dont fucking reboot ... option
the 3 stnadra options is pretty much do or dont... no golden middle rule
 
You know, you just reminded me of a time like 7 years ago when Windows did a reboot/update on me while I was in the middle of a WoW raid. Man that frustrating. And I'm like "I'm workin hereeee"

kac77 said:
Regardless Restart My Machine shouldn't be the default settings. I get that people weren't updating. However, that truly is their fault. Shutting down the machine on it's own without your input is not. You can make Linux install updates on it's own. You know what it doesn't do? Restart your machine without you prompting it to. I'm sorry that's just a dumb default. I get that it's easy to change. That's not the problem here. The problem is that software should not act in unintended ways and restarting the machine when the utilization has to be at like 60% with at least 4GB or more of memory in use just isn't.

If MS wants to automate that's fine. But damn make it smarter than that.

You mean to tell me that Windows 10 can track my porn use, recommend that I install Office 365, offer up ads to buy my grandmother underwear, tell me what time it is in Singapore, but can't not shut itself down when in obvious use!?!?

Look we are all computer people here but I'm sorry that's just BS of the highest order.
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Everyone take note that the shills just resort to victim blaming instead of facing the fact that if Microsoft gave the user the option to disable auto updates like in Win7/8 this would never have happened. I never have to worry about this issue because I run Win8.1 and I disable their shite auto updater.
 
rezerekted said:
Everyone take note that the shills just resort to victim blaming instead of facing the fact that if Microsoft gave the user the option to disable auto updates like in Win7/8 this would never have happened. I never have to worry about this issue because I run Win8.1 and I disable their shite auto updater.
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This is specifically the reason why Microsoft doesn't include an option to disable auto updates. It would be just like XP & 7. No one would do updates because they "can't be bothered", and thus they would be using a system with unpatched exploits and security holes with hundreds of backlogged updates.
 
I don't recall seeing Windows 10 update even once during the last 6 months. I only open the computer about once or twice a week for gaming.
 
Thread should be titled, "Uninformed PC Gamer Doesn't Know How To Configure Windows". One of the very first things I did when installing 10 on my gaming machine was to change the Windows Update group policy setting to cease auto-updates. It took an entire 10 seconds. My machine hasn't downloaded a single bit of update data or restarted once without me telling it to.

People need to understand the default settings on a PC are there to protect and satisfy the 95% of consumers who have no clue what they're doing. Without forcing them to, a typical user will never update his PC. Let's also not forget Windows 7 was configured to auto install updates out-of-the-box and no one cried about that.

I do realize that Windows 10 Home, just like all basic versions of Windows, does not have gpedit. But the users who are on the Home versions are exactly the type of people who need updates forced down their throat. If you're a gamer or a power user, you get the Pro version and configure it to your liking. This "pro-gamer" has no excuse.
DukenukemX said:
Too bad Linux isn't as annoying as Windows. How can Linux hope to become as popular as Windows if it doesn't annoy it's users?

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If only Linux users followed in their OS's example and weren't pushy to the point of evangelism.
 
bryant12489 said:
This is specifically the reason why Microsoft doesn't include an option to disable auto updates. It would be just like XP & 7. No one would do updates because they "can't be bothered", and thus they would be using a system with unpatched exploits and security holes with hundreds of backlogged updates.
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Bullshit! I just checked for updates less than five minutes ago. People need choice and not big brother Microsoft. You victim blamers are annoying af.
 
nilepez said:
They changed it, because too many people weren't updating their OS. If you're not smart enough to change the default, the default should be left alone. And given that the default is to install at something like 3:00 AM.
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I wonder how many of the plebs computers are powered on at 3.00 AM
 
cyclone3d said:
Not Windows' problem. It is a PEBKAC error.
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crusty_juggler said:
Thread should be titled, "Uninformed PC Gamer Doesn't Know How To Configure Windows"
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Makaveli@BETA said:
This x1000
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Okay, so let me get this straight, for the AVERAGE USER who is busy DOING THINGS on their system, it's totally cool to have a mandatory update interrupt their activity and reboot their system without warning? This is an acceptable practice now? I mean gee, look at all the other options:

-Auto update only when it detects the user as being idle
-Auto update only on shutdown
-Auto update only on bootup
-Have nag screens but don't FORCIBLY RESTART THE SYSTEM

Automatic reset being a DEFAULT option is insane. This guy was just playing counter strike, what if he was writing an important paper or in the middle of an important communication? As other have mentioned "victim blaming" is right. Not everyone is computer savvy and wants to spend their time learning Windows' ins and outs. They just want the damn thing to work. I think some people here just want to inflate their own ego just because they have the knowledge to turn it off, not understanding it's unreasonable to design a system this way for the average person. Hopefully none of you ever videochat with a dying relative while their computer decides to update. Update. Update.
 
Windows 10 can still schedule updates for a certain time of day, though. Why didn't he just schedule the updates to happen at a time when he was less likely to be using the PC?

I would actually say this is designed for the average user, because most users are too lazy and block updates entirely if given the option, and then end up with malware on their computer and blame Microsoft which is then expected to deal with the support nightmare.

They saw that smartphone users were used to getting updates pushed without having to deal with it manually, and people seemed to like that, so they thought it would be easier for new computer users who might not understand why updates are important or know what to install or click on.

Unfortunately, Apple has changed the game, and everyone now expects things to be as easy as they are on a smartphone. There are generations of kids that only know how to use their iPhone and are almost as ignorant of desktop computers as their grandparents were. My Mom went to a computer class because it was required recently and she missed the deadline to take the test to get out of it... most of the people in there were either really old or really young, and the young ones were freaked out by Windows 7 and complained that it wasn't as easy as their smartphone. She knew more than most of them already.
 
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bryant12489 said:
This is specifically the reason why Microsoft doesn't include an option to disable auto updates. It would be just like XP & 7. No one would do updates because they "can't be bothered", and thus they would be using a system with unpatched exploits and security holes with hundreds of backlogged updates.
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So instead, they'll have users who will stick with the old OS's and not be bothered to update. I'm partially in that boat. I'm on 8.1 and I update it myself once a month. I don't bother with auto-updating. I set it to do the same in Win 10. It still updated on me, why? Cause some of their updates happen to like to change settings on your ass. I don't have time to be checking my settings every time I get an update, just to make sure MS didn't try to change it on me.
 
athenian200 said:
Windows 10 can still schedule updates for a certain time of day, though. Why didn't he just schedule the updates to happen at a time when he was less likely to be using the PC?

I would actually say this is designed for the average user, because most users are too lazy and block updates entirely if given the option, and then end up with malware on their computer and blame Microsoft which is then expected to deal with the support nightmare.

They saw that smartphone users were used to getting updates pushed without having to deal with it manually, and people seemed to like that, so they thought it would be easier for new computer users who might not understand why updates are important or know what to install or click on.

Unfortunately, Apple has changed the game, and everyone now expects things to be as easy as they are on a smartphone. There are generations of kids that only know how to use their iPhone and are almost as ignorant of desktop computers as their grandparents were. My Mom went to a computer class because it was required recently and she missed the deadline to take the test to get out of it... most of the people in there were either really old or really young, and the young ones were freaked out by Windows 7 and complained that it wasn't as easy as their smartphone. She knew more than most of them already.
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you are aware this streaming session was 9h long. to tailor the update schedule around an all but random streaming session is not really feasable
 
naib said:
you are aware this streaming session was 9h long. to tailor the update schedule around an all but random streaming session is not really feasable
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There are options to choose the day they'll be installed as well. The Notify to schedule restart option would still work in that case. There's also an option to defer updates in Pro and Enterprise editions, which makes the cycle a lot less aggressive, although it's not really necessary.

You can argue that it should be the default, but average home users aren't doing anything important on their computers and would rather have everything dealt with for them. They're mentally lazy. So now people who use their computers for real work have to change the settings, which is something they're more likely to know how to do than Joe User who will just whine that he has to schedule updates and worry about leaving his computer on to get them.
 
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bryant12489 said:
This is specifically the reason why Microsoft doesn't include an option to disable auto updates. It would be just like XP & 7. No one would do updates because they "can't be bothered", and thus they would be using a system with unpatched exploits and security holes with hundreds of backlogged updates.
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That's a bullshit way to go about it. So if my computer is doing something important, like say, encoding a long ass video, this thing can pop up and ruin it because Microsoft is scared I won't be protected? Yea, right. If it's anything, they want to push their anti piracy update.

I don't know why people keep bringing up pro and enterprise. Who gives a shit if it's not those versions? Seriously, turning off updates or delaying it shouldn't be just for business. Even more so when some updates have caused issues for people in the past.
 
O&O ShutUp10


do people really not know about this small, free program. Makes windows 10 perfect, lets your turn off everything people complain about, well everything I was complaining about plus more. I only turn on the updates when I want to update windows then turn it back off. Have never had windows download or install updates auto while using this. Also a nice bonus is i get to turn off Cortana
 
I've never heard of it, but I've onl recently updated one of my computer to Windows 10 and spent a couple of days figuring out why it wouldn't stay in fucking hibernation.

That said, I did see a number of other programs that do the same, or claim to at least... but it's hard just suddenly trust these types of programs, they seem like the type of programs that have hidden BS in them. Not saying they do, but they are perfect for that type of things.
 
kac77 said:
It's a sad state of affairs if anyone thinks it's normal that you have to change the default of an OS to prevent it from interrupting your productivity.
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The problem with Linux, is that you can't have productivity at the default settings. You have to change from the defaults for anything to work!
 
Settings->Update & Security->Windows Update->Advanced Options->Choose how updates are installed->Notify to schedule restart

Solved, seriously and this is basically the same as Windows 7. The default setting is "automatic" and you have to set it to manual. Although I admit the first time this happened to me I was pretty annoyed the fix is pretty easy.
 
lol

This wasn't a Windows 10 update, this was updating to Windows 10. Once I thought it was a myth that it could happen randomly like this but I've seen it in person twice now, if you haven't managed to get every single Windows 10 related KB out of your 7 or 8/1 machine it will just go ahead and do it at some point.
 
Quix said:
Settings->Update & Security->Windows Update->Advanced Options->Choose how updates are installed->Notify to schedule restart

Solved, seriously and this is basically the same as Windows 7. The default setting is "automatic" and you have to set it to manual. Although I admit the first time this happened to me I was pretty annoyed the fix is pretty easy.
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Win 7 doesnt automatically restart your pc without giving you a warning though. At the very least it will give you a popup saying 10 minutes till restart and letting you postpone it.
 
Nenu said:
The point is that you can tell Windows 7 not to update without your permission / prompting and it will obey.
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Not completely.

I have my work computer (Windows 7 pro) set to download updates, but let me choose when to install them. The computer is left on all the time.
About once a month, I find it has installed updates and rebooted. Seems Microsoft deems some updates so important that they will install anyways and reboot the system. Only way to avoid this is to completely turn off updates.

Also, if you tell the system to install updates at 3 am, but the computer is turned off, the computer will install updates at some random time after it has been started in the morning. This also applies to Windows 7.

Wish updates would work the same way they do on the servers. If I say download and let me choose to install, then the server never automatically installs updates, but lets me install them when I have the time after hours.
 
Savi said:
O&O ShutUp10


do people really not know about this small, free program. Makes windows 10 perfect, lets your turn off everything people complain about, well everything I was complaining about plus more. I only turn on the updates when I want to update windows then turn it back off. Have never had windows download or install updates auto while using this. Also a nice bonus is i get to turn off Cortana
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You shouldnt have to download a 3rd party program on a fresh install of an OS to make it useable, that is just sad.
 
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I set my windows 10 to manually update when I first installed it... this hasn't been an issue for me.

Though I did notice one of the last updates reset that to auto, so I set it back.

Not sure why other people can't do the same...
 
nutzo said:
Not completely.

I have my work computer (Windows 7 pro) set to download updates, but let me choose when to install them. The computer is left on all the time.
About once a month, I find it has installed updates and rebooted. Seems Microsoft deems some updates so important that they will install anyways and reboot the system. Only way to avoid this is to completely turn off updates.

Also, if you tell the system to install updates at 3 am, but the computer is turned off, the computer will install updates at some random time after it has been started in the morning. This also applies to Windows 7.

Wish updates would work the same way they do on the servers. If I say download and let me choose to install, then the server never automatically installs updates, but lets me install them when I have the time after hours.
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Perhaps your machine crashes occasionally.
On reboot the installations take place.

Run Windows update manually when you know there is a worthy patch.
Then you know exactly what is happening and when.
If your machine still reboots you know there is a problem that needs locking down.
 
I'm so glad the LTSB version doesn't do this.
 
bryant12489 said:
This is specifically the reason why Microsoft doesn't include an option to disable auto updates. It would be just like XP & 7. No one would do updates because they "can't be bothered", and thus they would be using a system with unpatched exploits and security holes with hundreds of backlogged updates.
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I've always turned off auto updating (actually set to never check). The first thing I do after turning on my computer is check for updates. I also read the info blurb about each update to determine whether I want to install it or not. I have no desire to give that control to Microsoft so until support stops for my current OS(es) I'll keep what I've got.
 
I see the humor in this, but people acting like this is unique to Windows 10 either have terrible memories or haven't been using Windows very long.
 
tetris42 said:
Okay, so let me get this straight, for the AVERAGE USER who is busy DOING THINGS on their system, it's totally cool to have a mandatory update interrupt their activity and reboot their system without warning? This is an acceptable practice now? I mean gee, look at all the other options:

-Auto update only when it detects the user as being idle
-Auto update only on shutdown
-Auto update only on bootup
-Have nag screens but don't FORCIBLY RESTART THE SYSTEM

Automatic reset being a DEFAULT option is insane. This guy was just playing counter strike, what if he was writing an important paper or in the middle of an important communication? As other have mentioned "victim blaming" is right. Not everyone is computer savvy and wants to spend their time learning Windows' ins and outs. They just want the damn thing to work. I think some people here just want to inflate their own ego just because they have the knowledge to turn it off, not understanding it's unreasonable to design a system this way for the average person. Hopefully none of you ever videochat with a dying relative while their computer decides to update. Update. Update.
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HALLELUJAH!!! Another sane person.
 
Honestly, I would think the people who understand their systems need to be patched and updated regularly for the safety of themselves and everyone else is probably a really really small percentage of users. Reading these posts it seems like people on this board consider themselves or their peers as average users and I think that is wrong. The people who know better and patch their systems are probably an extremely small percentage of users, like less than a percent. The majority of users in the world are not capable of changing the preferences for when updates happen or reboots, and thus they should be forced for the good of the system as a whole. Back when you had to configure autoexec.bat or config.sys the average user bar was a little higher. Now days though, most average people treat their PC's like cell phones/tablets. I for one am good with the overlords decision to force them, while leaving the ability for me to configure it how I want, with or without third party programs. Just my $0.02 though, don't take offense.
 
You're too dumb to be trusted with the operation of your computer, be grateful that Microsoft is willing to step up and take care of it for you. If you don't like the decisions it makes, it's you who's doing it wrong.
Microsoft have essentially adopted the Apple approach to computing.
 
He probably postponed the reboot and forgot. Everyone is quick to bash M$ here but for all you know the guy has delayed rebooting for weeks. When I see updates I always immediately restart and install them. If you do that you won't run into issues like this.
 
grtitan said:
You forgot to add manofgod. ;)
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Hey, that's ManofGod, thank you very much. :D No problems with my Windows 10 Pro installations though. Also, DPI, just remove the store if you do not like it through a powershell script.
 
Litfod said:
You're too dumb to be trusted with the operation of your computer, be grateful that Microsoft is willing to step up and take care of it for you. If you don't like the decisions it makes, it's you who's doing it wrong.
Microsoft have essentially adopted the Apple approach to computing.
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Except OSX would never hard-reboot without a prompt right in the middle of things and causing data loss of whatever you were in the middle of. Doesn't happen.

But by all means keep victim blaming, it makes you sound very intelligent.
 
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bigdogchris said:
He probably postponed the reboot and forgot. Everyone is quick to bash M$ here but for all you know the guy has delayed rebooting for weeks. When I see updates I always immediately restart and install them. If you do that you won't run into issues like this.
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Maybe, it should just wait for the user to restart to try updating, how about that?
 
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