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Windows 10 and GPU's: AMD or Nvidia?

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Are there any HARD numbers with DX12 enabled games which give a definitive advantage to either AMD or Nvidia GPUs?

Not looking for fanboism. I'm wondering if there is a CURRENT gpu which is future-proof for DX12.

(Sorry if the original/title seems like troll bait.)

I couldn't wade through all the FUD clogging up some of the other threads.

"DEFINITIVE" advantage
"CURRENT" gpu

Thanks.

If it's too soon for this type of comparo, than that's fine.

Ken
 
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Troll Bait Thread for sure.
No one really knows yet.
AMD improved alot but no one is for sure on this yet.
In before lock!
 
Gah! Don't mean to be troll bait! I'll amend my original post...
 
Too early to tell.

There are only a couple of DX12 benchmarks out there. One strongly favors AMD (Ashes of Singularity), but at this point there is no knowing if that is reflective of DX12 overall, or just the arch of that particular title, which had some serious involvement from AMD.

We all have different upgrade habits when it comes to GPU's, but my take on DX12 is still as follows.

"I'll play tomorrows games on tomorrows GPU".

Chances are I'll no longer be using my 980ti SLI by the time DX12 games become commonplace anyway, so if I were shopping for GPU's today, I'd base my decision on the titles available today, and forget DX12 exists for a moment.

My last GPU (2013 GeForce Titan) lasted me two years, but I doubt that's going to be the case with the 980ti's. They are the last hurrah of the 28nm process node which has been with us for bloody ever now, and I expect real improvements as AMD and Nvidia move on to smaller process nodes.

Personally, I'm hoping Pascal will allow me to drop down to a single GPU again. SLI may be more reliable than Crossfire, but I still hate both of them. Nothing beats a single strong GPU.
 
I don't think there are any dX12 games out right now, and probably will be very limited through the rest of the year. I am not a fanboy of either company, and I just switched this week from my trusty 6950 to a 970. I wanted to go higher, but I figure I will be building a new rig this upcoming spring so I will do it then.

I will say that the 6950 had worked great for me for years, until I switched to Windows 10 on release. I started having the dreaded crash in Diablo 3 Desolate Sands maps, which I had never had before. After doing some research, it was a problem for many years and only afflicted the AMD cards, so hence the switch.

I would say though, do some reading and such, but do what you want. The dX12 won't be an issue for some time yet IMO.
 
Wait for a number of real games to be released. But honestly, there aren't any GPUs specifically designed for DX12 yet so none of them can be considered future-proof.
 
Also,

I always find it amusing when people talk about a "future proof" GPU.

Even today,, developing more slowly than in the past, they are still one of the most quickly obsolete products you can buy.

Whenever I buy a GPU, I expect it to be practically obsolete (too hot, too slow, etc.) within a year. Any extra time I get out of it I consider to be a bonus.

If you play at a 1920x1080-type resolution, and thus can get away with it, you would be much better off getting a mid range GPU and spending $300 every year, rather than $600 on a high end GPU every two years.

I usually go in waves. I go through a burst of GPU upgrades in a short period of time, right after upgrading my monitor to a higher resolution, then I stagnate once I reach the level of performance I want at that resolution.

Then when the monitor is replaced with a higher resolution one again,l I go through a burst of upgrades again.

Right now I am in a burst phase. I recently upgraded to 4k, knew that my 2013 Titan would no longer do the job, so I got a 980ti, found that it too was insufficient, so I got a second 980ti.

I'm hoping to sell of both 980ti's and replace with a single top end pascal or whatever AMD brings to the table in that time frame (if they are fast enough, otherwise I'll keep the two 980ti's)

If I can replace the two 980ti's with one pascal or next gen AMD I will be overjoyed to be back on one GPU again. That one GPU will likely be another stagnation GPU.

I am currently in the state where my top games are just marginally too slow to run on a single 980ti, so when I run in SLI, I'm only getting 55% or so load on each. I just really want to get away from SLI.
 
I am also with the "now" crowd.

DX12 features look very nice on paper, but it does require two things, one, hardware support, two, software support.

Software support is entirely up to the game maker to implement, so there is no real telling when/if DX12 will be adopted widely.

Hardware is another. I am EXTREMELY skeptical that any hardware that is available today is labeled DX12 ready, when their respective micro-arch was designed LONG before DX12 was even halfway ready. So personally I would take any currently available 'DX12 ready' logos with a grain of salt, or better yet, ignore them altogether. I would expect at least Pascal on nVidia's side (though more likely Volta) to actively support DX12 on a hardware level, and whatever comes after Fury microarch on AMD's side, assuming they survive that far.

So with the above two large unknowns, and DX12 has yet to see widespread adoption, I would forget about DX12 for this cycle at least. If you truly care about DX12, it may take a year before we see anything solid, both at a software and hardware level.
 
I think Hawaii is the real winner so far in what we have seen from DX 12 benchmarks as the gpu is still picking up speed and the best card to have invested your money in as I just have a hard time dropping $400 plus on a 28nm card myself..
 
RE AMD: "Assuming they survive that far." Wow. OK. I'm no AMD fanboy (I've gone back and forth for years) but really, Fury is a very, very competitive architecture and if you honestly think AMD GPUs are on their way out I don't pretend to understand your thought-process.

Their CPU business? At least in terms of desktops, Intel is and has been destroying them for years, but AMD's graphics division (now its own company as I understand?) has been holding its own for quite a while.
 
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RE AMD: "Assuming they survive that far." Wow. OK. I'm no AMD fanboy (I've gone back and forth for years) but really, Fury is a very, very competitive architecture and if you honestly think AMD GPUs are on their way out I don't pretend to understand your thought-process.
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A $650 AMD card that performs on average like a $400 Geforce Gtx 980.

Sounds competitive to me...
 
I have no issues with a AMD 280. Did an in place upgrade and other than some old titles flickering (not AMD issue) everything works as expected.
 
Well, I invested in an R9 290 back in November of 2013 and it is still going strong. Also does 4k resolutions quite well even if I have to back off on some settings. Having DX12 compatibility in it is a plus even though it is not full DX12 functionality. I see nothing worth upgrading to since I will not spend more than $400 to $500 on a gpu upgrade. (I crossfired 2 x 6950 a few years ago and that cost $500 at the time.)

Since the 980Ti is not going to give me a huge boost in 4k resolutions and I will not spend close to $700, I will just stick with what I have for the moment. Basically, right now, there is nothing out there worth getting and nothing that is fully DX12 compatible anyways.
 
ManofGod said:
Since the 980Ti is not going to give me a huge boost in 4k resolutions...
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I'm not sure this is an accurate statement.

Stock to stock, on average across titles, the 980ti is ~50% faster at 4k. according to techpowerups testing (one of the few I could actually find the 980ti and the 290 (non x) in the same test at 4k resolutions)

That, and a typical 980ti seems to overclock a lot more than a typical 290, so the gap should widen overclocked.

Now everyone's individual budget will determine if that boost is worth the money, and it will depend a bit on what titles you play, but 50% on average is nothing to scoff at. :p
 
Zarathustra[H];1041912161 said:
I'm not sure this is an accurate statement.

Stock to stock, on average across titles, the 980ti is ~50% faster at 4k. according to techpowerups testing (one of the few I could actually find the 980ti and the 290 (non x) in the same test at 4k resolutions)

That, and a typical 980ti seems to overclock a lot more than a typical 290, so the gap should widen overclocked.

Now everyone's individual budget will determine if that boost is worth the money, and it will depend a bit on what titles you play, but 50% on average is nothing to scoff at. :p
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50% would be a lot at $400 or less but, at $650, that is really not much at all. I would be better off going with 290 crossfire but, they get to hot in the case I am using since I tried it before. To be honest, 50% really is not that much when you think of going from 30 to 45fps or 60 to 90 fps. One would not last very long for the cost and the other would be more than is needed for 4k at 60 hz.

Now, if I was on an older card, then it would be a different thing entirely. 100% improvement for less than $500 would make the most since in my opinion.
 
ManofGod said:
50% would be a lot at $400 or less but, at $650, that is really not much at all. I would be better off going with 290 crossfire but, they get to hot in the case I am using since I tried it before. To be honest, 50% really is not that much when you think of going from 30 to 45fps or 60 to 90 fps. One would not last very long for the cost and the other would be more than is needed for 4k at 60 hz.

Now, if I was on an older card, then it would be a different thing entirely. 100% improvement for less than $500 would make the most since in my opinion.
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1.) LOL have you tried Crossfire? SLI is pretty bad, but crossfire is way way worse. Constant compatibility problems, bugs, stuttering etc. Just not worth it. I'm switching back to a single strong GPU as soon as one is launched that can handle my games at 4k 60hz.

2.) IMHO, having a vsynced 60hz flat line when I play games is worth a good amount of money to me. I don't have as much time to game as I once did, so when I sit down, I want it to be good!
 
Zarathustra[H];1041912228 said:
1.) LOL have you tried Crossfire? SLI is pretty bad, but crossfire is way way worse. Constant compatibility problems, bugs, stuttering etc. Just not worth it. I'm switching back to a single strong GPU as soon as one is launched that can handle my games at 4k 60hz.

2.) IMHO, having a vsynced 60hz flat line when I play games is worth a good amount of money to me. I don't have as much time to game as I once did, so when I sit down, I want it to be good!
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I do not really agree with that first statement based on my own experience. I went from 2 x 2900 Pros to a 4890 +4870 setup to 2 x 6950's. The only issue I ever ran into was when the game itself was not supported by crossfire, I had to disable it. Otherwise, when supported, I remember it running quite well.

Now, I tried the crossfire 290's but, they ran way too hot together so I had to give that up. (My case would become very hot around the cards well with one card, I do not have that issue.) If I could, I would go that way because of cost but nevertheless, I am still pleased with what I have.

Basically, right now, there are no cards for DX12 alone that are worth buying. I also do not game all that much anymore but I enjoy having the option to do so if I want to. :) I know it is strange to say that for someone who has a gaming PC, XBox One and 360 but that just is the way I roll.
 
ManofGod said:
I also do not game all that much anymore but I enjoy having the option to do so if I want to. :) I know it is strange to say that for someone who has a gaming PC, XBox One and 360 but that just is the way I roll.
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I hear that!
 
The following games are rumored to be getting DX12 patches:
Arma 3
Project Cars
Witcher 3 and Arkham Knight? http://www.gamepur.com/news/18647-b...3-will-get-dx12-support-patch-no-details.html
Ark Survival.

I am sure others will follow, when? My guess is less than a year, other wise it would be a waste of time at that point to develop for.

New games coming out early next year with DX 12, more AMD supported titles
Tomb Raider "Rise Of The Tomb"
Dues Ex (next one)
 
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