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That's really exciting. I'm looking forward to testing showing different window sizes in terms of brightness levels.
For the record the Macbook Pro 16" M2 Max looks in worst case scenarios closer to the XM310K - slight blooming but nowhere near as bad as the XDR. In most footage it's not noticeable at all.
The G8 isn't really fast though response time wise according to reports, at least with VRR active along with FALD active. It's a VA though and not a 4ms ips like XoR_ was talking about.
"The Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 has an excellent response time at its max refresh rate of 240Hz. There's minimal blur trail behind fast-moving objects, but there's significant overshoot with dark transitions that leads to inverse ghosting. Enabling VRR locks you out of any overdrive setting, and the response time is quick with it, and if you don't use VRR the best overdrive setting is 'Standard' because it performs similarly. 'Faster' and 'Extreme' have too much overshoot.
Like with the Samsung Odyssey Neo G7 S32BG75, there are reports that enabling local dimming worsens the response times. While the local dimming may cause some extra blur trail with fast-moving objects, the overall motion handling looks the same with local dimming on and off."
Using VRR your frame rate fluctuates as well so the size of the overshoot/ghosting will vary throughout depending on the game and how demanding the area of the game you are in.
You've made a lot of these posts, even directly to me before. However, frankly, they aren't helpful because display distance in general is going to be directly limited to room size and most often desk size for a majority of users wanting to use a TV (or monitor) to do work on a computer.I moved to 43" 4k screen(s) alongside my 32" desktop monitor and then jumped to a 48" CX OLED. Desk is an island on caster wheels so keeping screens mounted separately. Can just roll the desk back up to the screens to reclaim space when not in use when desired.
Considering that I could even go as far as a 55" screen now without a problem.
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3.5 feet to 4 foot viewing distance if you want to get a good viewing angle and PPD is a pretty big command/media center spread for most people though.
55" screen getting ~64 PPD at 3.5' would work but I'd rather be at 70+, at least some of the time. Could depend on if I was running uw rez on it and what kind of game. I could adjust on the fly because like I said my desk is on caster wheels and my screens aren't and won't be coupled to my desk.
55" 4k at 52inch view ~> 50deg angle 77 PPD
55" 4k at 46inch view ~> 55deg angle 70 PPD
55" 4k at 42inch view ~> 60deg angle 64 PPD
Not that big of a stretch from 48" screen really. .
48" 4k screen gets 60 to 50 degrees at 36" to 45" view
Vs.
55" 4k screen gets 60 to 50 degrees at 42" to 52" view
-so there is some overlap the high 48" screen distance vs low 52" screen distance.
- meaning there is a view distance range of 42" to 45" shared by both 48" and 55" screens that is still within the 60 to 50 deg human viewing angle.
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A 42" is still a square peg into a round hole for sitting it on a desk really. ~ 24" view distance or so is more like 1500p like pixel density and the viewing angle pushes the screen outside of your viewpoint more. So yeah I'd think a 32" to 35" would be capable of being withing the 60 to 50 deg human viewing angle range at a desk or near enough.
31.5" screen at 24" view distance = 60 deg viewing angle = 64 PPD
31.5" screen at 24" view distance = 55 deg viewing angle = 70 PPD
31.5" screen at 30" view distance = 50 deg viewing angle = 77 PPD
35" screen at 26" view distance = 60 deg viewing angle = 64 PPD
35" screen at 27" view distance = 55 deg viewing angle = 70 PPD
35" screen at 33" view distance = 50 deg viewing angle = 77 PPD
The whole "just sit closer/further" thing can only go so far. Why don't we all just game on 11 inch monitors and press our faces right against it to get a similar experience to a 48" screen becoz PPD reasons amirite!?
I find it pretty unlikely that this will ever take off except for incredibly limited use cases. To me, this would be less useful in an office/work/gaming environment. The most useful case, would likely be if in the future, people going to a net cafe or similar could utilize this. Or the airline industry. Airplanes might be the perfect application for something like this.that brelyon company is trying to make vr like desktop monitors without headsets but their first one so far missed the mark on a lot of things..
conceptually they are aiming for something like this:
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but so far they only have a clunky model with a dividing line in it.
Note that VRR Control is a Samsung feature that does something to reduce flickering at the expense of higher input lag. You don't have to use it, it's a separate toggle from having VRR enabled. If you just avoid it even in local dimming mode it seems to perform pretty decently.The G8 isn't really fast though response time wise according to reports, at least with VRR active along with FALD active. It's a VA though and not a 4ms ips like XoR_ was talking about.
"The Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 has an excellent response time at its max refresh rate of 240Hz. There's minimal blur trail behind fast-moving objects, but there's significant overshoot with dark transitions that leads to inverse ghosting. Enabling VRR locks you out of any overdrive setting, and the response time is quick with it, and if you don't use VRR the best overdrive setting is 'Standard' because it performs similarly. 'Faster' and 'Extreme' have too much overshoot.
Like with the Samsung Odyssey Neo G7 S32BG75, there are reports that enabling local dimming worsens the response times. While the local dimming may cause some extra blur trail with fast-moving objects, the overall motion handling looks the same with local dimming on and off."
Using VRR your frame rate fluctuates as well so the size of the overshoot/ghosting will vary throughout depending on the game and how demanding the area of the game you are in.
.. on the inside..
Tried to look up some YT videos and it does look like it allows you to move around a bit so it doesn't need to hold your position perfectly or anything. It would work terribly if you need to look at your display from across the room or something like that so it's definitely a bit of a "private" display in that sense.
Perfect is relative. It has to do with the envelope of what you can see given your body positioning. A standard display has a much bigger envelope. Including, as we both note being further away from your display than 1.5' Or viewing off axis. Or vieweable when I'm slouching with my head on my shoulder and one knee up. Vs only visible within a specific optimial range and with reasonable good posture.
At those prices and considering the limitations, I would much rather have an 8k ultrawide. Heck, for 20k I could afford some "low end" cinema projectors and take up my whole wall.
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I moved to 43" 4k screen(s) alongside my 32" desktop monitor and then jumped to a 48" CX OLED. Desk is an island on caster wheels so keeping screens mounted separately. Can just roll the desk back up to the screens to reclaim space when not in use when desired.
Considering that I could even go as far as a 55" screen now without a problem.
. . . . . . .
3.5 feet to 4 foot viewing distance if you want to get a good viewing angle and PPD is a pretty big command/media center spread for most people though.
55" screen getting ~64 PPD at 3.5' would work but I'd rather be at 70+, at least some of the time. Could depend on if I was running uw rez on it and what kind of game. I could adjust on the fly because like I said my desk is on caster wheels and my screens aren't and won't be coupled to my desk.
55" 4k at 52inch view ~> 50deg angle 77 PPD
55" 4k at 46inch view ~> 55deg angle 70 PPD
55" 4k at 42inch view ~> 60deg angle 64 PPD
Not that big of a stretch from 48" screen really. .
48" 4k screen gets 60 to 50 degrees at 36" to 45" view
Vs.
55" 4k screen gets 60 to 50 degrees at 42" to 52" view
-so there is some overlap the high 48" screen distance vs low 52" screen distance.
- meaning there is a view distance range of 42" to 45" shared by both 48" and 55" screens that is still within the 60 to 50 deg human viewing angle.
. . . .
A 42" is still a square peg into a round hole for sitting it on a desk really. ~ 24" view distance or so is more like 1500p like pixel density and the viewing angle pushes the screen outside of your viewpoint more. So yeah I'd think a 32" to 35" would be capable of being withing the 60 to 50 deg human viewing angle range at a desk or near enough.
31.5" screen at 24" view distance = 60 deg viewing angle = 64 PPD
31.5" screen at 24" view distance = 55 deg viewing angle = 70 PPD
31.5" screen at 30" view distance = 50 deg viewing angle = 77 PPD
35" screen at 26" view distance = 60 deg viewing angle = 64 PPD
35" screen at 27" view distance = 55 deg viewing angle = 70 PPD
35" screen at 33" view distance = 50 deg viewing angle = 77 PPD
That's the 55" and up though, they have the MLA layer.
Thanks.
i also mentioned it a few pages back. looked good but chugged power.
Just asking in general/for knowledge. If I were to buy a screen right now, it would most likely be a 77" LG G3 for the media/home theater room. The 83" G3 doesn't have MLA this year.
