Why does Nvidia hate my 1300 dollars?

Airmanv

Airmanv

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WOW! Just to get my 2 280 GTX's in SLI to run stable I had to strap a 120MM fan on the end to push the cards from 90-100C down to 80C Max, 41C Idle, they would lockup or reboot my system when I got to 95C+. What I dont understand is how I ran QUAD SLI 9800 GX2's with no issues.....I have all high end specs and great case cooling so I imagine this has to be a pretty common problem, any ideas or suggestions

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I think some of the GTX 280s are bad. Mine would rocket up to 104C within minutes with the fan at 100% and tons of air flow in the case. While I read that lots of others don't get temps much above 85C. I sent my GTX 280 back for this reason.

PS. You can browse through this thread to read similar stories.

Overheating and similar issues with GeForce GTX 280
 
kent thanks bro but I am good on the college! Thanks for the input I am sure it will help my system run cooler!

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I think you are confused. Nvidia is actually very fond of your $1300 now that its *their* $1300. :p

Maybe you should ask why the GTX 280 likes it hot?
 
Nice easy fix there, Airmanv.
My P182SE doesn't leave much room at the end of the cards.
So I added a 92mm fan angled slightly downward in the upper HD bay to blow across them.
 
It's called air cooling. Water is the only way here. You've spent some money, now spend some more and do it right.
 
LanPirate1 said:
It's called air cooling. Water is the only way here. You've spent some money, now spend some more and do it right.
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Right, he's bought a retail consumer good that is supposed to be highly engineered and tested to run as installed and you're telling him that to "do it right" he has to totally modify it and replace the entire thing.
 
LanPirate1 said:
It's called air cooling. Water is the only way here. You've spent some money, now spend some more and do it right.
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where do we get such thoughtless asanine comments?

thing should work right out of the box in a standard PC case
 
Why should he spend more money on stock cards that should be stable as is. I dont have any super good advice to give but incase you havent you may want to find a way to increase the stock fans speed. It doesnt seem like their spining nearly fast enough to cool the chips. Perhaps try N-tune i think there is a fan speed setting in that application.
 
It's a well known fact that Cosmos' have crap cooling. The case doesn't have much in the way of fresh air intake. If a scythe fan kama bay fits, you could try that, and maybe mod the front of the case where the hard drives are located to add a 120mm intake there as well.
 
EVGA Precision allows setting the fans speeds to manual or auto.
 
First of all, water is not an asinine remark. I'm sitting here in a room with a 28C ambient temp, and my GTX never hits 50C in gaming. You are mounting two furnaces with fans that aren't running properly beside each other, on the bottom of a case. And I agree, the Cosmos is crappy for cooling. It is also summer, what are your ambients?
If you were to use a Lian Li case that mounts the mobo upside down, so the cards are at the top of the case, and grille the roof, or at least put one roof fan on it to either draw air in, or blow it out, you could see temps drop quite a bit.
 
What makes you think nVidia hates your money? Hmmm I think someone has had too many mushrooms.
 
I have 3 water cooler rigs in my house, some are no better then air just silent..what temps do you think my 280;'s would get on AIr?
 
cybereality said:
Maybe you should ask why the GTX 280 likes it hot?
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He knows the answer.
nVidia has released a half-baked product in order to retain its performance crown.

OP, get your money back if you still can.
You, as a consumer, deserve a better product for THAT kinda money!!!!
 
skadebo said:
It's a well known fact that Cosmos' have crap cooling. The case doesn't have much in the way of fresh air intake. If a scythe fan kama bay fits, you could try that, and maybe mod the front of the case where the hard drives are located to add a 120mm intake there as well.
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I agree, case cooling looks like crap. I would mod the side panel and put a 120mm fan in the window, or just get a better case, certainly looks like you could afford it.
 
unleashed said:
He knows the answer.
nVidia has released a half-baked product in order to retain its performance crown.

OP, get your money back if you still can.
You, as a customer, deserve a better product for THAT kinda money!!!!
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Yeah fanboy, I bet crossfired 4870's would have probably done the same thing in that case.
 
I disagree, the Cosmos cooling is good, Like I said ran QUAD SLI and a OC'd P4 Quad @ 3.8 no problems....IT IS THE 280's
 
The Radeon HD 4850 & 4870: AMD Wins at $199 and $299
These cards get way too hot. I keep burning my hands when I try to swap them out, and Anand seems to enjoy using recently tested 4800 series cards as space heaters. We didn't look at heat data for this article, but our 4850 tests show that things get toasty. And the 4870 gets hugely hot.

The fans are kind of quiet most of the time, but some added noise for less system heat might be a good trade off. Even if it's load, making the rest of a system incredibly hot isn't really the right way to go as other fans will need to work harder and/or components might start to fail.

The noise level of the 4850 fan is alright, but when the 4870 spins up I tend to glance out the window to make sure a jet isn't just about to fly into the building. It's hugely loud at load, but it doesn't get there fast and it doesn't stay there long. It seems AMD favored cooling things down quick and then returning to quiet running.
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The point is, both can be lowered by proper case cooling/fan control.
 
1- 280s in SLI should work at stock speeds without crashing, i remember my first and last 8800gts 320MB that reached 115 Celsius degrees and DO NOT crash! The card simply slowed to a craw and kept it going.:eek:
2- A buyer should not be forced to reapply thermal paste or use aftermarketcooling and lose the warranty AND the stepup program.
 
So I read
great case cooling
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Then scrolled down and saw a cosmos...

Was that an attempt at humor? I don't care what you ran in it before, the fact is that that case is awful as far as cooling is concerned. And when did they make quad core P4s?
 
z3r0- said:
And when did they make quad core P4s?
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The heat must have gotten to him.
The GTX280s draw more wattage than a GX2 under load. That heat needs to be exhausted.
With a simple fan, you just helped exhaust that heat.
 
650 core with shaders linked and I am idling at 53c, i have not exceded 78c with most of the time 72c load. I hit almost 80 in crysis at 1920x1200 all high, Your case cooling needs to improve or something, figure add 10 c since you have 2 cards.

I had a GX2 that would hit 104 so it could be a bad card as welll
 
Sabrewulf... said:
Tell me Airmanv, how much gaming did you get to do before tossing those GTX's? You did at least finish Crysis first right? Ha, ha, ha. You make a me laugh... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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- http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1280180&page=9

My favorite hardcore gamer Airmanv, so its been three or so months since your last upgrade, the QUAD SLI 9800 GX2's, tell me, what kind of gaming goodness did they get you? Still couldn't play Crysis on very high though could you? Damn that game, sure is costing you a small fortune. Let me know when you find a build that will play it at the hacked ultra high setting would you, cause those 280's still won't cut it.
 
Try running with the side panel off and blow a house fan into it, see if you still have issues.
 
Take a look at this: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1322333

My cards have hit 90C after about an hour of Crysis and unlike this positing I had the cards overclocked to 660/1420/1150. All I have is a 120mm side side blowing on the cards. I think you have a bad card in that the cooling my not be working properly.
 
MassiveOverkill said:
I'm not just calling you a fanboy, but a hypocrite, and that your posts are worthless dribble. You call just about anyone who says anything positive about Nvidia or anything negative about ATI an Nvidia fanboy. A simple search of your posts proves it:
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So, you've found the whole TWO instances. It hardly qualifies as a proof that I call "just about anyone" a fanboy.
Besides judging by this very post you're clearly acting like a typical fanboy in this thread.
Which just proves my point.
 
Sabrewulf... said:
- http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1280180&page=9

My favorite hardcore gamer Airmanv, so its been three or so months since your last upgrade, the QUAD SLI 9800 GX2's, tell me, what kind of gaming goodness did they get you? Still couldn't play Crysis on very high though could you? Damn that game, sure is costing you a small fortune. Let me know when you find a build that will play it at the hacked ultra high setting would you, cause those 280's still won't cut it.
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Eat my dick man, I dont need to justify what I do to you.....I paid nothing to upgrade my 9800GX2's to 280's caught the Step up on day 90....BTW CPU is a Extreme QX6850 ...and the 280's handle Crysis just fine since you are so concerned...I have been building and selling PC's for a long time (side hobby) with alot of success I dont some asshole on the internet to validate me...the cards suck at stock should run fine with no issues that was my point...


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Uhm, why can't you people just stop being total dicks and simply help the dude with his problem?
Honestly OP either return 'em for a new set or try to get a few more fans around them, Even though they should work stock and should have sufficient cooling on the card stock, they don't or at least i wouldn't think so since this is a widespread problem with most newer graphics cards out today.
 
Kowan said:
The Radeon HD 4850 & 4870: AMD Wins at $199 and $299

The point is, both can be lowered by proper case cooling/fan control.
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or with the 4870s when ATi corrects the fan profiles the way the drivers are set up the fans barely spin at all but once you edit the CCC default profile and set them to spin faster temps go down by a large margin. my setup went from 80c idle down to 55c idle by cranking the fan up to 40% and the thing peaks at 75c under load
 
I did almost the same thing.

I had 9600 GT SLI...the top card was running way too hot- 80c and more. I wedged a 120 MM in between the cards...neither card ever broke 60c at full Crysis load. Much cheaper than an aftermarket cooler.

You would think that you'd just be recirculating the heat from cards back onto the cards...but that's not what happens....at least not with my cards.

If you try it, obviously make sure it isn't lined up with the top card's onboard fan or you'll create opposing vortices. Which wouldn't be good.
 
He got some good suggestions out of this thread but for some reason Airmany thinks that his setup should run perfectly regardless of the fact that his case airflow is sub-par. What can I tell ya, you have to mod your case for better airflow or get another case. I think the suggestion of mounting a 120mm fan to the window will do you wonders. Get a clear fan or something so that it looks good too!
 
don't those cards exhaust air to the outside?

in his pix I can see at least 2 fans one above the cards and one in the PS maybe adding a 3rd to pull air in the front will work?
 
Yes they exhaust out of the case.
Adding another intake helps feed the fans with cooler intake air that is pulled into the shroud.
 
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