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Why buy a 360?

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Wally

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I've been looking at getting one of these supposedly "next-gen" consoles for a bit of party play - PC's are fun and all, but there's just as much to be said for having a laugh with your mates/brother in the same room.

One thing's baffled me, though; why do people keep coming up with stuff like "360 rocks PS3's sh1t"? I ask because I went to price up the two systems online yesterday, and was a bit shocked, really.

First, i'll clarify. The arguments I hear in the 360's favour are pretty much these:

- "More games to choose from"
- "Cheaper"

Now, the reasons i'm baffled:

- PS3, two wireless sixaxis controllers, Resistance, Motorstorm, DiRT, Blu-Ray Movie & HDMI cable - £450
- Double pack of quickcharge/play cables - £6.99
- Thrustmaster PS3 WiFi USB Key (is this needed to play online? I'm using a wireless router) - 24.99

Total: £481.98 max - if wireless adaptor is needed. If not, put in a bluetooth headset, even though I could do without listening to wittering retards. $963.96 in Monopoly money.

- 360 elite - with HDMI, to bring it to PS3-standard output - £299. One wireless controller.
- 360 HD-DVD player - ~£99
- 360 "play 'n' charge" kit - £12.99 to £14.99, depending on whether you get the Elite version or not.
- Official wireless 360 adaptor - £54.99
- Second wireless controller - £32.99
- Second battery pack for use with the "play 'n' charge" - £9.99
- XBox Live 12 Month Gold Membership Card - £34.99
- Three games to match the PS3 package - 3x £39.99
- Similar HD-DVD - £17.99

Total: £681.91. $1363.82. All of this to make it comparable to what the PS3 offers above.

even without the extras that I need, such as the wireless dongles, rechargable packs (why are fucking shop-bought AAs standard?) it comes to more than the PS3. On top of that, from what I hear, you have to worry about the 360 even working, and when it does it supposedly deafens you.

Am I missing something beside the extra 60Gb HDD space which has clearly only been put there so MS can say "twice the storage of the PS3"? I know i'm never going to have 120Gb worth of demos, the damn things get deleted when they're boring/the game's out.

Or, more basically, since there's probably a saving on the PS3 package:

- PS3, with one controller, High-def video playback as standard, and a Blu-Ray movie: £399/$798
- 360 with one controller, aftermarket-style HD-DVD player and an HD-DVD movie: £415.99/$831.98

As for games: subjective.

Just curious. Looking at it more closely i'm more inclined to splash out on a PS3 since the only eye-catching exclusive on the 360 is Halo 3, for the co-op. Everything else that I wouldn't term "uninteresting" or "bargain bin" is also available on the PS3.

Is everyone just missing this or is 60Gb storage really worth it?

Little edit to save some of you a bit of time: i'm asking for informed, justified, quantified and anything-else-sensible-ified responses, not "I bought a 360 and am now going to act like Bill Gates personally cut my Umbilical" responses.
 
Hardware wise the PS3 is more capable than a standard 360, I dont think anyone is going to argue against that. The reason why people complain about it is mostly becuase people buy game consoles to play games, and the PS3s game lineup at the moment isnt as impressive as the 360s.
 
Yeah seriously you can't really say that. Each console has advantages from a hardware stand point.
 
People including the HD dvd drive as a required purchase as an equalizer for the 360 to equal the ps3 are morons.

I don't want to be forced to buy an entertainment addon as an integrated feature of my gaming console. I didn't buy my xbox for its dvd player, and I sure as hell don't want to pay extra money (like PS3 owners do) for a "next gen" dvd player. If they put wheels and a fire extinguisher on the PS3, PS3 owners would be all over these forums saying the PS3 is a better value because you'd have to pay 250 bucks to mod wheels and add on a fire extinguisher to it.

Do not want. And do not want to be forced to pay for.

PS: Stop talking about value of meaningless and stupid addons as if they are required purchases. You should be talking about games. If your cup of tea is lair, warhawk, FF, and MGS, then buy a ps3. If you want mass effect, bioshock and halo, buy a 360.

If your buying decision is based on packed in charge and play kits, you're not a gamer.
 
Naldo said:
Hardware wise the PS3 is more capable than a standard 360, I dont think anyone is going to argue against that.
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Are you basing that on the actual specs, which don't say that at all, or just your fevered imagination?
 
Wally said:
Then enlighten me, please. You could state the obvious a little more, but it'll not end up with me being any more informed.
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I don't need all that extra shit. I bought an Elite for it's base price. I choose not to buy all that extra crap....see chooooooooose. I also rarely actually like the games that are bundled with consoles.
 
Technoob said:
Do not want. And do not want to be forced to pay for.
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Depends on what you value, then, is one answer.
This sort of answer, please.

As far as the "meaningless and stupid addons" goes; I made clear that a wireless adaptor, extra controller and rechargable packs aren't meaningless and stupid, since I need them. No need to get rowdy, son.

P.S. I don't value my self-perception more highly as a "gamer" than a "consumer". I don't want people to think of me as a "hardcore, to-the-bone-gamer" because I can think of more important things to take pride in. I'm interested in getting my money's worth as well as enjoying myself. Or, to re-phrase it - are you looking at getting http://pointlessbutcool.com/gadgets/arcade_table ? If not, you're not a "gamer".
 
When I say "more capable" Im not talking about how powerful it is, Im talking about the things it can do from the get go. I guess maybe thats where the confusion is coming from.

Hardware wise what does a standard 360 do that a standard PS3 cant? Im a little confused myself here, last time I checked the PS3 could connect to wireless networks, charge controllers, and play HD movies out of the box, all things that are all optional on the 360. I cant think of a hardware feature the 360 has that isnt found in the PS3 (though I guess someone could say the PS3 cant output HD out of the box, so I guess that would be a check in the 360 column).
 
Wally said:
Depends on what you value, then, is one answer.
This sort of answer, please.

As far as the "meaningless and stupid addons" goes; I made clear that a wireless adaptor, extra controller and rechargable packs aren't meaningless and stupid, since I need them. No need to get rowdy, son.
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I bought my second wireless controller for 19 dollars. I bought a third party charge and play kit for 1.99 (buy.com ftw). I would never play online games with a wireless router personally, even though my house is all wireless. And if I did, I'd buy a wireless solution for the 360 for 30 bucks, not 99.

My point remains, if you want to talk value, then fine...but basing a decision to purchase of a gaming system on anything but the games you want to play is silly.
 
That breakdown isn't accurate until you include electricity, a chair/couch, a television, and rent/mortage into your totals.
 
Not wanting to contribute:

1) The pro is now shipping with HDMI.
2) Do as many do, and buy an Xbox 360 and Toshiba A2/3 if your into High Def Movies and have a nice entertainment center (If your a HD-DVD Fan).

Personally the game selections on the xbox 360 was the selling factor for me but it also depends on what you need personally. For me buying the "wireless feature" on PS3 was an extra cost as I have cat 5 cable wired to my different locations (Hence I did not buy the wireless adapter for the X360). Buying "BluRay" was also an additional cost as I like the library on the HDDVD platform (And prefer seperate boxes so I'm not leaving my family with no DVD viewing if I take my Xbox 360 to a buddies house for example). That and I like dedicated hardware (ie Gaming vs Movies) if the cost is not major.
But I can equally understand if you want all of those items in "one box" the PS3 might be the better choice for you. I would also say if the PS3 was a similar price (-BlueRay, +DVD, -40GB, +20GB, -wireless) at a X360 Pro Price, it would have been a more difficult decision for me.
 
I'd buy a 20 gig ps3 without wireless or Blu Ray (yeah i know, the games are on blu ray, but that was their stupid decision) at an appropriate price without thinking about it.
 
Rocketpig said:
That breakdown isn't accurate until you include electricity, a chair/couch, a television, and rent/mortage into your totals.

/sarcasm
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Sarcastic, but true. I left my PS3 running for weeks after I accidentally pressed the PS button on a controller and didn't notice the console switched on. Furthermore, Folding@Home was on auto-start - great for disease research, but not for my electricity bill.
 
Technoob said:
I bought my second wireless controller for 19 dollars. I bought a third party charge and play kit for 1.99 (buy.com ftw). I would never play online games with a wireless router personally, even though my house is all wireless. And if I did, I'd buy a wireless solution for the 360 for 30 bucks, not 99.

My point remains, if you want to talk value, then fine...but basing a decision to purchase of a gaming system on anything but the games you want to play is silly.
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Fair point that you can get the stuff cheaper on eBay. It seems that the answer to my question is that it's initially a bit cheaper, and offers the choice of adding functionality. Games and reliability are the only real issues then, it seems.

Fair enough.

Rocketpig said:
That breakdown isn't accurate until you include electricity, a chair/couch, a television, and rent/mortage into your totals.
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Flippancy undermined by the fact that what I listed was relevant.
 
Someone mentioned reliability, which you should definately take into consideration. I'll be on my 4th xbox soon and am not happy about the build quality at all. However, if you are smart and buy one of the new models, it's apparent that they've fixed the underlying design flaws.

I would NEVER buy an older model or a used box though, warranty notwithstanding.
 
in all seriousness wally, the biggest difference between the two is the games...and you've basically dismissed them by saying "subjective."

that's crap.

the 360 has a HUGE library. between the off the shelf titles and the xbox live arcade games, the 360 has a plethora of titles out right now. the PS3 has kind of blown its load for this year. LAIR was a DUD, Heavenly Sword was a solid title as was Warhawk. Well, there went your big name exclusives for this year. Add to that Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Motorstorm and Resistance and you have some pretty good action titles....6 games. The rest of the top rated games for the PS3 are all on the 360 as well. And that's a trend you can expect to continue.

Assassins Creed, Rock Band, GH3, CoD4 are all coming out for multiple platforms this holiday season. Next year look for games like Grand Theft Auto and Resident Evil 5 to be sharing the stage between the two systems as well.

Then you go to the 360. Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Forza, PGR4, Eternal Sonata, Orange Box, are all available only on Xbox and are *all* going to be blockbuster titles. Not to mention the multi-platform games mentioned above.

So buy whichever system is going to make you happy, but god forbid you ignore the important part: the games.
 
I can't bothered to get too involved in this thread, but I'll just say that for me the "added value" of the PS3 doesn't make up for the lack of quality games.

- XBox Live 12 Month Gold Membership Card - £34.99
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I'm sorry, but the quality of the PSN so far doesn't compare to Xbox Live. When it does, valid point - in the meantime I don't mind paying for it.
 
Regardless, i'm getting both, simply because nobody seems to offer a PVR that plays HD-DVD as well as 1080p DVD upscaling. I was just curious about the price discrepencies between comparable packages.

jester1176 said:
in all seriousness wally, the biggest difference between the two is the games...and you've basically dismissed them by saying "subjective."

that's crap.

the 360 has a HUGE library. between the off the shelf titles and the xbox live arcade games, the 360 has a plethora of titles out right now. the PS3 has kind of blown its load for this year. LAIR was a DUD, Heavenly Sword was a solid title as was Warhawk. Well, there went your big name exclusives for this year. Add to that Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Motorstorm and Resistance and you have some pretty good action titles....6 games. The rest of the top rated games for the PS3 are all on the 360 as well. And that's a trend you can expect to continue.

Assassins Creed, Rock Band, GH3, CoD4 are all coming out for multiple platforms this holiday season. Next year look for games like Grand Theft Auto and Resident Evil 5 to be sharing the stage between the two systems as well.

Then you go to the 360. Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Forza, PGR4, Eternal Sonata, Orange Box, are all available only on Xbox and are *all* going to be blockbuster titles. Not to mention the multi-platform games mentioned above.

So buy whichever system is going to make you happy, but god forbid you ignore the important part: the games.
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Yes chum, you're perfectly right - but that was sort of my point. The 360 library - that's crap, in my opinion. You list maybe six PS3 titles of significance, and I can see maybe six at a push on the 360 which interest me - most of which will be on the PS3 too. Stuff like CoD4 i'll get on the PC because I want what the PC offers for those games, but more "party" style games like racers and Halo 3 i'll be going the console route, for obvious reasons.
 
Wally said:
Flippancy undermined by the fact that what I listed was relevant.
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It's only relevent if you want that stuff. For you, those options might make the PS3 a better gaming option but you can't include all those options in a general value vs. value comparison.
 
I am not getting into this, but at the same time am...

360 hands down because of the games. I buy my consoles to play games I like and nothing more...the PS3 games suck right now (as does the future lineup) for me and the kind of games I like. Thus the 360 was a better buy for me.

Not to mention I did not want/need:
Wifi
Next-Gen DVD Player which may or may not be around in a few years
HDMI (even though now it is irrevelent since the Pro (Premium) and Elite 360s come with HDMI...)
 
Well I think the problem is that sony did a similar comparison to try and show the PS3 is cheaper, but the reality is with X360 you get to choose what you want/need. X360 isn't cheap if you need to load up on every option. Its also hard for most of us to understand because in the US the prices are much different and in general gaming is cheaper.

I'm not saying your argument is wrong though, but here are some considerations.

20GB PS3 doesn't have WiFi, but all others do.

PSN isn't anything close to as good as XBOX live. At least not yet.

HD movies are nice, but if your just looking to mainly game I'd rather save money and not get a HD format player. Especially in a format war.

Same goes for Wireless, if you need it, its nice, if you don't its not a big deal to not have it. Personally my PS3 wireless isn't so good anyway. Some people say its good, some say its sux.

Its not fair to compare bundled games, although they maybe the better PS3 games, to retail games where you get to pick what you want. Plus at least in the states Resistance and motorstorm don't always go for full price anymore.

PS3 recharge cable is just a usb cable so you don't have to buy a Sony version any cable will do.

In the US the X360 Premium comes with HD component cables and the Elite comes with component and HDMI cables. PS3 comes with RCA.

Anyways the issue for most people right now isn't the price. PS3 is definitely becoming more competitive in price, but it needs to. We are still waiting on games. In the US the PS3 has been a killer deal if you want a HD movie player, it was like $500 for a 60GB PS3 with 5 free movies and some places threw in a few more movies or a blu-ray remote. However the price of entry is still higher then the X360 at $350 and this is an issue for some who don't want or can't spend all the money at once.
 
JohnleMVP said:
Personally my PS3 wireless isn't so good anyway. Some people say its good, some say its sux.
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Oh, I thought I was the only one. My PS3's wireless connection drops all the time, even though it's only 10ft away from the router.
 
Rocketpig said:
It's only relevent if you want that stuff. For you, those options might make the PS3 a better gaming option but you can't include all those options in a general value vs. value comparison.
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To make the 360 offer the same as the PS3 out of the box, I listed the Elite - HDMI cable/output - a High-Def video playback jobbie and an extra controller. I was just trying to make them comparable to try and get a comparison of functionality-for-functionality, price-for-price. Just to give myself a better idea of how things would work out for me, with what I needed.
 
Well, the main thing is that you don't have to buy HD-DVD, Wireless, all the play and charge kits, HDMI and such. People buy the 360 for the good games, and you can add on the other accessories as you feel the need - if ever.
 
Ta. As I said, i'm getting both, because I can afford it and in my case it's justified, since it works out cheaper getting two game systems with home-theatre capability than two game systems and then two High-Def players on top of a frigging PVR upscaler.

Really, if someone could make a damn HD-DVD player with 1080p upscaling, i'd be much happier.
 
After you hear the X360 you may feel differently. :p

J/K its mainly the DVD drive that is loud.
 
If you want all the crap you want for it then there is no reason to get a 360 PS3 much gooder.
 
jester1176 said:
LAIR was a DUD, Heavenly Sword was a solid title as was Warhawk. Well, there went your big name exclusives for this year.
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You conveniently left out R&C ToD, Uncharted Drake's Fortune, Haze, and Folklore.


jester1176 said:
Next year look for games like
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Gran Turismo 5, Tekken 6, Metal Gear Solid 4, FFXIII, Socom:Confrontation, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, Jak&Dexter LF, Coded Arms Assault

jester1176 said:
Then you go to the 360. Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Forza, PGR4, Eternal Sonata, Orange Box, are all available only on Xbox and are *all* going to be blockbuster titles.
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Bioshock and Orange Box are both on PC. And they are/will clearly be the superior version.
 
Stereophile said:
You conveniently left out R&C ToD, Uncharted Drake's Fortune, Haze, and Folklore.


Gran Turismo 5, Tekken 6, Metal Gear Solid 4, FFXIII, Socom:Confrontation, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, Jak&Dexter LF, Coded Arms Assault



Bioshock and Orange Box are both on PC. And they are/will clearly be the superior version.
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way to conveniently edit what i said assclown.

what i was getting at with the second part was cross-platform console titles. IE, titles that will be coming to BOTH 360 and PS3.

Yes. Bioshock and Orange Box are both on PC. Yes, they will be the superior versions. But we are talking about someone trying to figure out which to purchase: a 360 or a PS3. Now tell me again, how is the fact that they're coming out on PC relevant?
 
Well, if you don't add the extras to the 360, then yes, it's a great deal. But then it's just a game machine and that's it. No more and no less. Start adding all the extras the PS3 has and the prices between the 2 become comparable imho.
As for games, the 360 has the better ones atm, but the PS3 will also have them in time. (FYI, the orange box is also going to be on the PS3) You can argue over which one is the best for the rest of eternity but i think they'll both be around for awhile.
Get both if you can afford it for the best of both worlds, or pick the console which suits what you want in a gaming or home entertainment system.
 
i bought a 360, should have gotten a ps3 instead. micro fucking soft is the worst company out of the 3. why doesnt the 360 support mouse/kb??? Most of the GREAT 360 games are FPS. this make all those great FPS game = blahhhhh. why is the 360 the ONLY next gen console without a fucking internet browser?? The only one to charge for online. The only one that have reliability problem. $379 for the elite is not cheap when only $120 more get you a blu-ray player and wifi. The 360 will be in last place in a year or two for sure.
 
jester1176 said:
the PS3 has kind of blown its load for this year. LAIR was a DUD, Heavenly Sword was a solid title as was Warhawk. Well, there went your big name exclusives for this year.
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You falsely implied Warhawk, Lair, and Heavenly Sword were the only exclusive titles to look forward to this year. I pointed out there are several more exclusive games coming this year that you left off the list.

I don't give a shit what you were feebly trying to utter. You said:
"Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Forza, PGR4, Eternal Sonata, Orange Box, are all available only on Xbox" :rolleyes:

"Not to mention the multi-platform games mentioned above"

This clearly refers to GTA5 and RE5. Don't pretend otherwise.

And the fact that orange box and bioshock are both on PC is highly relevant. They are not feathers in the cap of the X360. No reason to run out and buy one to play those games. Source engine runs on any old POS computer. And even my system runs Bioshock better than X360.

Don't act like a bitch when you're called out on your lies of omission.
 
Stereophile said:
You falsely implied Warhawk, Lair, and Heavenly Sword were the only exclusive titles to look forward to this year. I pointed out there are several more exclusive games coming this year that you left off the list.

I don't give a shit what you were feebly trying to utter. You said:
"Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Forza, PGR4, Eternal Sonata, Orange Box, are all available only on Xbox" :rolleyes:

"Not to mention the multi-platform games mentioned above"

This clearly refers to GTA5 and RE5. Don't pretend otherwise.

And the fact that orange box and bioshock are both on PC is highly relevant. They are not feathers in the cap of the X360. No reason to run out and buy one to play those games. Source engine runs on any old POS computer. And even my system runs Bioshock better than X360.

Don't act like a bitch when you're called out on your lies of omission.
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And Namco has already announced eternal sonata will be released first quarter of next year on the PS3 with exclusive content.
 
orange box is on the ps3, just delayed. But haze is also on the 360, timed exclusive.
 
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