Who's ready for Marvel vs Capcom 3?

[juden666]

I'm expecting this to be $60 for the game and another $150+ for the DLC when all is said and done. That's bullshit.

This. If you look at the tread with the costume packs and avatars for SSF4 they are going to milk the shit out of this.

 

[zero2dash]

another $150+ for the DLC when all is said and done. That's bullshit.

The only people who know what DLC will cost aren't talking. I still think there's a very good chance there will be character packs or discounts.
I'll pose to you the same question I posed at SRK....are you going to buy every character? Do you use every character in every other fighter? Doubtful. I always try to; I've usually used 90% of the cast in other fighters (depending on how large the cast is)....even in KOF or Zero 3. In MvC2 yeah I could use 90% of the cast, I rarely ever did though. I came up with some nice Ruby Heart OTG combos using her rising wave move, but do I bust those out when I'm playing someone who picks top tier? Hell no, I pick top tier just like they do because if I don't, I have no chance. The only characters who I don't think are rated top tier but are close enough that I'll fart around with in a serious match would be Ken and Cammy (both because of the invicible assists, Ken especially because of the damage from launcher -> air hurricane kick). In any event the point is I'd rather have a choice who I buy. I'm not planning on buying all the DLC. I didn't like Jill in 2 and I can't play Shuma seriously but depending on their DLC price I might get them both anyway....just depends on price. Am I going to spend $5 on each? Doubtful. I don't like either of them enough and I wouldn't use them probably, so there's no point in buying them.

I grew tired of 2 a long time ago. No fun when 99% of matches end up who can hit the assist or beam first. 2 is not fun anymore. 2 quit being fun a long time ago (and I bought it on the Dreamcast on day 1). I hope they NEVER put Cable in 3, I don't ever want to see Cable again.

Anyway I'm really looking forward to 3. Justin Wong and anyone else can bitch about the game being too easy for noobs to get into or whatever, I could care less. I see that as a positive. "Pros" have to relearn things because the same shit that worked in 2 won't necessarily work in 3, but they assume they should get a step on everyone because they're a "pro" in 2. Bullshit. Back to the drawing board just like everybody else.

 

[TheToE!]

For what it's worth I got a chance to actually play this yesterday at BB. It looks really polished. I played a couple of rounds and I can say it was a lot of fun. I cant wait. I am now more hyped than ever!

 

[Kinsaras]

A cute hat for Blanka to wear really didn't impede my enjoyment of SSFIV. I'm getting MvsC3. I have little reason yet to believe they will milk any DLC of importance. Costume packs hardly make or break this game.

And if they do…I won’t buy the DLC. Simple as that.

 

[TheToE!]

I'm expecting this to be $60 for the game and another $150+ for the DLC when all is said and done. That's bullshit.

WTF? Like anyone could know that..Ya they are going to sell DLC. I agree with you that DLC is bullshit. But it's here to stay I'm afraid. And LOL @ all the people here bitching about DLC, I bet you are the same one's that buy all the COD DLC faggotry day 1.

 

[zero2dash]

They have yet to reveal more characters, they've said there will be more revealed after Hsien-Ko and Sentinel and they have yet to do that....

IMHO Capcom wants their money, they know they can make a lot with DLC....I don't think they can do it though with too high of a price, they will end up eating it, get bad PR etc. High DLC cost will almost instantly take a lot of buzz off the game IMO. People are hyped about it right now....I can't imagine them coming out with some ridiculous $ figure for DLC.

 

[refraxion]

They have yet to reveal more characters, they've said there will be more revealed after Hsien-Ko and Sentinel and they have yet to do that....

IMHO Capcom wants their money, they know they can make a lot with DLC....I don't think they can do it though with too high of a price, they will end up eating it, get bad PR etc. High DLC cost will almost instantly take a lot of buzz off the game IMO. People are hyped about it right now....I can't imagine them coming out with some ridiculous $ figure for DLC.

It'll probably come in character packs, like 3 chars for 3.99 or some crap like that.. though who knows?

 

[Tigerblade]

Has anyone stopped to think what mass DLC characters would do to the game online? It could be very messy with some having all DLC, some having bits and bobs and the vast majority having none. Searches would have to fit around that, which could put you out of playing friends if they decide to/not to buy any extra characters they you may/may not have. Costumes, whatever, you'll just see the standard fare if you haven't bought the threads.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying things here but it can't be a good thing for the game.

Talking of vs games, I played CvSNK2 the other day again...awesome. They need to make a third one of these!!

 

[refraxion]

I highly doubt Capcom and SNK will make another game. Anyhow, DLC wouldn't be a problem. The DLC stuff will be downloaded onto the users system but they just won't be able to use it themselves. Exactly how SSFIV/SFIV worked.

 

[Tigerblade]

I highly doubt Capcom and SNK will make another game. Anyhow, DLC wouldn't be a problem. The DLC stuff will be downloaded onto the users system but they just won't be able to use it themselves. Exactly how SSFIV/SFIV worked.

But hat was just costumes and something where the stock costume can takeover if not purchased. I guess you could still see/fight the character just never select them.

I knew I was thinking way to simplistically

 

[TheToE!]

But hat was just costumes and something where the stock costume can takeover if not purchased. I guess you could still see/fight the character just never select them.

I knew I was thinking way to simplistically

Ya, it'll be like if you can fight against the DLC chars just cant select them. I dont really like DLC at all. That said...I hate to admit this but, I think it works well for fighting games. In fighters you pretty much see all the content the game has to offer relatively quickly, so minor updates like chars costumes keep it fresh. If they are cheap enough I dont mind. I would love a full blown expansion pack/sequel every 6 months but thats unrealistic.

 

[NSCTripleAgent]

Looking forward to this release....play MvC 2 a TON.

Also, where the F are people playing MvC (or any fighting game for that matter) for $1000s of dollars?

I know CS and other FPS have large tournies with cash prizes as well as SC2 (even though I can't find them). I thought Fighting games for cash went the way of the Arcades we used to know and love. MvC 2 was the last big fighting game to release as an actual arcade game that I can remember.

www.evo2k.com

If losing 20 characters from 2 is what it costs to gain a fighter (3) that has a roster of balanced characters - count me in, I'll take that loss.

MvC2 was the first one in the series with a ridiculous cast # but let's be honest who could actually compete on a higher level with non-God tier characters? (ie Storm/Sent/Mag) You're not going to take Amingo/Iceman/Wolverine to that fight and come out on top. Most matches of 2 consisted of 3 of any...what....8 characters? Storm/Sent/Mag/Doom/Strider/Cable/Blackheart? Other than some people trying to do rushdown with Ken/Cammy.

Besides they could add another 30 (or more) chars as DLC before all's said and done. We still don't know how much they'll be but I did see a comment on SRK that Seth said Jill+Shuma would not cost $10 together so the $5/char figure people are assuming might not end up being right. I still say we could see char packs or discounts; ie 5 SF chars (say Ken/Cammy/Makoto/Blanka/Vega for $9.99).

Who said this game is balanced, a bit premature, don't you think? The dumbed down engine may "force" more overall "balance", but where's the fun in that? The only balanced SF game was SF1. Why? 1 character.

 

[Kinsaras]

www.evo2k.com



Who said this game is balanced, a bit premature, don't you think? The dumbed down engine may "force" more overall "balance", but where's the fun in that? The only balanced SF game was SF1. Why? 1 character.

SF4, other than Sagat, it was pretty near perfect. The only made it better with SSF4. Most of SF2 was done fairly well, at first.

 

[Domingo]

SF4, other than Sagat, it was pretty near perfect. The only made it better with SSF4. Most of SF2 was done fairly well, at first.

Looking back SF4 has turned out better than originally estimated. Tournaments featured people winning using Sagat, Roufus, Zangief, Abel, Seth, Ryu, and Dhalsim. That's not too bad, although the poor characters like Vega and Sakura were borderline unusable. Super isn't bad at all. It's certainly the best I can recall going back a looooong way.

SF2 was a mixed bag. The first one was balanced to the point that 3/4 of the cast had an exploit and Blanka/Honda just plain sucked
Champion Edition was a mess, although Hyper Fighting might arguably be the closest thing to a balanced fighting game of all time. However Super messed that up and after buffing the whole cast with anti-air moves, Super Turbo was pretty solid again...if not a little boring as a result.

 

[zero2dash]

Who said this game is balanced, a bit premature, don't you think? The dumbed down engine may "force" more overall "balance", but where's the fun in that? The only balanced SF game was SF1. Why? 1 character.

1) You can tell the balance is there by spending a good half hour watching vids of the game thus far. I've seen 100% combos with some characters (TraGic in practice mode) and I've seen 50%+ with damn near everyone, some with meter, some without. Depending on when you use X-Factor everyone could have 100%'s before all's said and done. Again - if everyone's broken, the game is balanced. MvC2 had a handful of broken characters and everyone else sucked because they weren't.

2) Dumbed down? How so? Because the timing window is larger? Combos are easier? "Where's the fun in that?" Oh I dunno. Not having to study frame guides for a week just to find the best combos as opposed to just trying shit out and going "holy crap that works!". This game will open doors to a lot more competition, yet people are thumbing their nose and saying that's a bad thing? Go load up MvC2 if that's your opinion, I'm sure Wong's gonna be playing plenty and he'll be available.

3) Only balanced SF game was 1? HDR says hi. Seth balanced HDR and he's now a part of Capcom and helped balance 3.
Let's see. Joystiq gave it a 5/5. X-Play gave it a 5/5. Inkblot at SRK posted a great editorial on the game. But what do any of these guys know? I swear I think people are naysaying 3 just because it's not 2 yet that's a bad thing? If you like 2 so much, play 2. No harm no foul. But I swear all the complaining I've seen about 3 is always centered around some argument where the only justification is "x thing in MvC2 isn't the same in 3". If they're going to make 3 just like 2, then why bother? Everyone would just keep their copy of 2.

I'll be hitting Walmart just before midnight to hopefully get in on the tournament and to pick up a copy while I'm there (hopefully I can get a SE). If not I'll go home with a regular, hit BB in the morning for a SE....if they don't have any, no biggie. I'm definitely going to get the game tonight though, I can't wait any longer.

 

[anonmoniker]

I'm expecting this to be $60 for the game and another $150+ for the DLC when all is said and done. That's bullshit.

This. If you look at the tread with the costume packs and avatars for SSF4 they are going to milk the shit out of this.

Yup, I'm completely disgusted with Capcom and have been so for a while now, mostly dating back to the asinine decision to charge separately for RE5 multiplayer. The roster in MVC3 is unacceptable, both in terms of sheer number of characters and the characters that were cut. This would have been a day 1 purchase but I have no interest in paying probably over $100 to get the full game.

The DLC bullshit has largely pushed me away from console gaming. To me it's a huge insult to spend hard-earned money on a game and receive a cut down experience designed as a vehicle to milk more sales. There's no value for the money either. For what MVC3 and all the DLC will cost, I can go on ebay and buy 5-10 relatively recent PC games that will all have better graphics than any console game. For whatever reason they can't just be happy making a shitload of money selling games at an already ridic $60, and instead have to go for the lubeless rape of DLC.

The PS2 generation was the golden age and things have gone downhill quickly. So many great games, and almost no exploitative bullshit.

 

[GreenMonkey]

I rarely buy DLC. I didn't buy any outfits for SF4/SSF4...waste of money. I don't need fancy outfits for $$

I assume DLC will be just like, I dunno, Soul Calibur 4 which me and my buddies still play a lot of. You don't need to buy Vader and Yoda to play against them online.

So - don't buy it. I think 30+ characters is more than enough to keep me busy.

 

[anonmoniker]

I rarely buy DLC. I didn't buy any outfits for SF4/SSF4...waste of money. I don't need fancy outfits for $$

I assume DLC will be just like, I dunno, Soul Calibur 4 which me and my buddies still play a lot of. You don't need to buy Vader and Yoda to play against them online.

So - don't buy it. I think 30+ characters is more than enough to keep me busy.

LOL, yeah, great job assuming that the DLC will be like a Namco game rather than other games from Capcom, the company actually making MVC3. I think you either haven't looked at the roster of MVC3 or weren't a fan of MVC2. You're going to be paying for all the important cut characters like Cyclops, Cable, Iceman, Omega, Venom, Mega Man, etc. I didn't count but it looks like the majority of MVC2 characters are gone from the $60 beta version masquerading as a full game.

 

[zero2dash]

You're going to be paying for all the important cut characters like Cyclops, Cable, Iceman, Omega, Venom, Mega Man, etc. I didn't count but it looks like the majority of MVC2 characters are gone from the $60 beta version masquerading as a full game.

You do realize nearly every one of those characters has been in 2 or more Vs. games, right?

Again for the umpteenth time, have fun with 11 year old MvC2 if you have that big of a [H]ard on for Cyclops. Do I want Cyclops in MvC3? Sure. Do I care that he's not there? No. In exchange for his (current) absence I get 20 (21 if you count Dark Phoenix separately) new characters to play with that have never been in a Vs. game before.

New hat > old hat IMHO

You want Cable? Really? I guess you didn't get fed enough Cable in MvC2 eh?
I've only been to 1 regional tournament but I saw enough Cable to last the rest of my life.

SRK has put up an awesome wiki on the game.

 

[anonmoniker]

You do realize nearly every one of those characters has been in 2 or more Vs. games, right?

Again for the umpteenth time, have fun with 11 year old MvC2 if you have that big of a [H]ard on for Cyclops. Do I want Cyclops in MvC3? Sure. Do I care that he's not there? No. In exchange for his (current) absence I get 20 (21 if you count Dark Phoenix separately) new characters to play with that have never been in a Vs. game before.

New hat > old hat IMHO

You want Cable? Really? I guess you didn't get fed enough Cable in MvC2 eh?
I've only been to 1 regional tournament but I saw enough Cable to last the rest of my life.

SRK has put up an awesome wiki on the game.

Ummm, the whole point of the MVC games is that they're supposed to build on prior games in the series and add a ton of new stuff while keeping most of the old. MVC2 did this with a roster over twice as large as MVC1 with almost all of the cut characters being unimportant. MVC3 could have cut a few unimportant characters from MVC2 while still adding the 15 new ones. The roster should have been about 65 characters. Instead, it's 36.

Do you like getting ripped off and having games sold to you piecemeal after you've already bought them? Why are you arguing that is superior to just putting out a game with a full roster?

 

[GreenMonkey]

LOL, yeah, great job assuming that the DLC will be like a Namco game rather than other games from Capcom, the company actually making MVC3. I think you either haven't looked at the roster of MVC3 or weren't a fan of MVC2. You're going to be paying for all the important cut characters like Cyclops, Cable, Iceman, Omega, Venom, Mega Man, etc. I didn't count but it looks like the majority of MVC2 characters are gone from the $60 beta version masquerading as a full game.

I've only really gotten proficient with about 6 characters on SC4. On SF4, it's about the same - I'm pretty good with Ken and halfway decent with about a half dozen other characters. Tekken 3/5DR and Tekken Tag was the same way. I played more MvC1 than 2, but it had WAY too many characters for me to ever learn.

My buddies and I have been playing a lot of SC4 lately and we play people on there that know 7-12 hit crumple/juggle Just combos with every single character in the game. If you're hardcore like that, then I guess I can see why you are cranky.

MvC3 has plenty of characters for me. I'm not angsting for any one character so hard. I like Cyclops, but I'm not super angsty that I can't play him. I'd rather play Dante and some other new characters

I'm sure adding more characters would have taken even longer to produce the game and made the balance even more questionable. I'm not going planning on paying for any DLC characters. I'm not that hardcore that I can't find enough fun in the massive roster it has already. It's already got a roster a lot bigger than most fighting games....

Would I prefer a bigger roster and no DLC? Sure. I hate paying for DLC. That doesn't mean I'm screaming "beta, beta" or "I'm going to end up paying an extra $50 in DLC!!" Because I just won't buy them.

 

[zero2dash]

Ummm, the whole point of the MVC games is that they're supposed to build on prior games in the series and add a ton of new stuff while keeping most of the old.

They are building on prior games in the series.
TvC has a better fighting engine than MvC2. It's more accessible to newcomers and the majority of the cast has a chance fighting against anyone else. There is no "God tier" in TvC.
MvC3 has those elements from TvC along with new stuff and more characters.

Fighting games have no point. You can speculate what you want, but neither Capcom nor SNK or Arc or Sega doesn't say "you know what, our last game had x amount of characters so we have to have at least y many this time and it has to have z feature".

MVC2 did this with a roster over twice as large as MVC1 with almost all of the cut characters being unimportant.

Do you even realize why MvC2 had such a huge cast? The recycled every sprite from every game they've ever come out with; they raped and pillaged the corpse and then raped it again.

MvC3 is created from scratch from the ground up. Nothing is recycled.

That brings into itself another thing that debunks your "they shoulda had 56 characters" thing, the game wouldn't have come out 2/15/11, it would have taken at least another year to put in another 20 characters, then balance the game for those characters.

Do you like getting ripped off and having games sold to you piecemeal after you've already bought them?

Ripped off?
Let's see, what do you get with MvC3.
-new roster comprised of more than 50% of new characters never seen in a Vs. game before
-new game character models created from scratch
-new stages and music created from scratch
-enhanced combat engine from TvC
-online play
-character specific endings
-future DLC potential (as opposed to having to buy a brand new game in another year+ for $60+)

Yeah, I sure feel "ripped off".

Why are you arguing that is superior to just putting out a game with a full roster?

Why are you arguing that a game that came out 11 years ago has to set the bar for any other fighting game that comes out after it does? Did you bitch this much when SF4 came out? Or SSF4? Or HD Remix? Or any KOF? BlazBlue? Guilty Gear? Those games have a smaller roster than MvC2 so "they're not worth your time", eh? You obviously aren't giving the game any shot whatsoever (even though it's not even officially out yet!) based off nothing more than the damn roster...guess you aren't much of a fighting game fan then.

[edit] God bless 24hr Super Walmarts.
Got there 11:45, 6 people waiting around. Guy asks me if I need help, I said "I'm waiting for what everyone else is waiting for". =)
Other guy starts talking about SE, holds one up. I ask how many they have of that one....they start digging around in a box. First "8" then "9". "All 360 though, no Ps3." No problem there man.

Grab the strategy guide (a mite thick too).....in depth with a lot of shit including frame data. Start thumbing through it while waiting. I was #3 checked out, funny moment - guy in front of me asks for Ps3 one. Clerk pulls out a regular, scans it. Customer "no I want the special edition". Clerk "we only got 360 SE's, no Ps3..that's what they sent us." Customer waffles. Clerk "do you still want it". (I start thinking YEAH YOU WANT IT AND YOU KNOW IT) Customer "yeah I guess". Ha! You can't deny the love bro! You'll do the same thing I was gonna do. Buy the regular one tonight, play til sunrise, and hit another store when they open in search of the SE.

 

[TheToE!]

They are building on prior games in the series.
TvC has a better fighting engine than MvC2. It's more accessible to newcomers and the majority of the cast has a chance fighting against anyone else. There is no "God tier" in TvC.
MvC3 has those elements from TvC along with new stuff and more characters.

Fighting games have no point. You can speculate what you want, but neither Capcom nor SNK or Arc or Sega doesn't say "you know what, our last game had x amount of characters so we have to have at least y many this time and it has to have z feature".



Do you even realize why MvC2 had such a huge cast? The recycled every sprite from every game they've ever come out with; they raped and pillaged the corpse and then raped it again.

MvC3 is created from scratch from the ground up. Nothing is recycled.

That brings into itself another thing that debunks your "they shoulda had 56 characters" thing, the game wouldn't have come out 2/15/11, it would have taken at least another year to put in another 20 characters, then balance the game for those characters.




Ripped off?
Let's see, what do you get with MvC3.
-new roster comprised of more than 50% of new characters never seen in a Vs. game before
-new game character models created from scratch
-new stages and music created from scratch
-enhanced combat engine from TvC
-online play
-character specific endings
-future DLC potential (as opposed to having to buy a brand new game in another year+ for $60+)

Yeah, I sure feel "ripped off".



Why are you arguing that a game that came out 11 years ago has to set the bar for any other fighting game that comes out after it does? Did you bitch this much when SF4 came out? Or SSF4? Or HD Remix? Or any KOF? BlazBlue? Guilty Gear? Those games have a smaller roster than MvC2 so "they're not worth your time", eh? You obviously aren't giving the game any shot whatsoever (even though it's not even officially out yet!) based off nothing more than the damn roster...guess you aren't much of a fighting game fan then.

[edit] God bless 24hr Super Walmarts.
Got there 11:45, 6 people waiting around. Guy asks me if I need help, I said "I'm waiting for what everyone else is waiting for". =)
Other guy starts talking about SE, holds one up. I ask how many they have of that one....they start digging around in a box. First "8" then "9". "All 360 though, no Ps3." No problem there man.

Grab the strategy guide (a mite thick too).....in depth with a lot of shit including frame data. Start thumbing through it while waiting. I was #3 checked out, funny moment - guy in front of me asks for Ps3 one. Clerk pulls out a regular, scans it. Customer "no I want the special edition". Clerk "we only got 360 SE's, no Ps3..that's what they sent us." Customer waffles. Clerk "do you still want it". (I start thinking YEAH YOU WANT IT AND YOU KNOW IT) Customer "yeah I guess". Ha! You can't deny the love bro! You'll do the same thing I was gonna do. Buy the regular one tonight, play til sunrise, and hit another store when they open in search of the SE.

QFT man! We're getting a new MVC game for fucks sake! Why are people bitching!?

 

[NSCTripleAgent]

SF4, other than Sagat, it was pretty near perfect. The only made it better with SSF4. Most of SF2 was done fairly well, at first.

You missed the point. NO GAME IS TRULY BALANCED when characters are different. As far as SF4, Sagat made almost half the cast bad, Zangief, Rufus, and Boxer beat the rest. And the bottom tiers just were useless.

1) You can tell the balance is there by spending a good half hour watching vids of the game thus far. I've seen 100% combos with some characters (TraGic in practice mode) and I've seen 50%+ with damn near everyone, some with meter, some without. Depending on when you use X-Factor everyone could have 100%'s before all's said and done. Again - if everyone's broken, the game is balanced. MvC2 had a handful of broken characters and everyone else sucked because they weren't.

People said THE EXACT SAME THING about MvC2 when it was a few days old. Wait and see.There will be established tiers and a dominant character/team/group of teams at Evo at the latest. I will put money on it.

2) Dumbed down? How so? Because the timing window is larger? Combos are easier? "Where's the fun in that?" Oh I dunno. Not having to study frame guides for a week just to find the best combos as opposed to just trying shit out and going "holy crap that works!". This game will open doors to a lot more competition, yet people are thumbing their nose and saying that's a bad thing? Go load up MvC2 if that's your opinion, I'm sure Wong's gonna be playing plenty and he'll be available.

Uhh, OTG combos are guaranteed since there's no tech roll, a launch button, easy mode timing, general slower game speed, slower general character animations, low-medium-high attacks instead of 4 or 6, looks dumbed down to me.

3) Only balanced SF game was 1? HDR says hi. Seth balanced HDR and he's now a part of Capcom and helped balance 3.
Let's see. Joystiq gave it a 5/5. X-Play gave it a 5/5. Inkblot at SRK posted a great editorial on the game. But what do any of these guys know? I swear I think people are naysaying 3 just because it's not 2 yet that's a bad thing? If you like 2 so much, play 2. No harm no foul. But I swear all the complaining I've seen about 3 is always centered around some argument where the only justification is "x thing in MvC2 isn't the same in 3". If they're going to make 3 just like 2, then why bother? Everyone would just keep their copy of 2.

I'll be hitting Walmart just before midnight to hopefully get in on the tournament and to pick up a copy while I'm there (hopefully I can get a SE). If not I'll go home with a regular, hit BB in the morning for a SE....if they don't have any, no biggie. I'm definitely going to get the game tonight though, I can't wait any longer.

See above for my comment on balance. Magazine/online reviews are the LAST place you should seek fighting game legitimacy from. JUSTIN WONG says it's ass. I'll go with Justin's opinion over some hacks who probably get paid to give 5/5 reviews.

Yup, I'm completely disgusted with Capcom and have been so for a while now, mostly dating back to the asinine decision to charge separately for RE5 multiplayer. The roster in MVC3 is unacceptable, both in terms of sheer number of characters and the characters that were cut. This would have been a day 1 purchase but I have no interest in paying probably over $100 to get the full game.

The DLC bullshit has largely pushed me away from console gaming. To me it's a huge insult to spend hard-earned money on a game and receive a cut down experience designed as a vehicle to milk more sales. There's no value for the money either. For what MVC3 and all the DLC will cost, I can go on ebay and buy 5-10 relatively recent PC games that will all have better graphics than any console game. For whatever reason they can't just be happy making a shitload of money selling games at an already ridic $60, and instead have to go for the lubeless rape of DLC.

The PS2 generation was the golden age and things have gone downhill quickly. So many great games, and almost no exploitative bullshit.

A-effing-MEN

They are building on prior games in the series.
TvC has a better fighting engine than MvC2. ROFLMAO It's more accessible to newcomers and the majority of the cast has a chance fighting against anyone else. There is no "God tier" in TvC.WRONG. Zero is God Tier
MvC3 has those elements from TvC along with new stuff and more characters.
Fighting games have no point. You can speculate what you want, but neither Capcom nor SNK or Arc or Sega doesn't say "you know what, our last game had x amount of characters so we have to have at least y many this time and it has to have z feature".



Do you even realize why MvC2 had such a huge cast? The recycled every sprite from every game they've ever come out with; they raped and pillaged the corpse and then raped it again. Yeah, MvC3 is TvC with Marvel characters and a few additions, kinda throws your "MVC3 is original" arguement out the window...every character that carried over from TvC uses the same graphic assets, animation, moves, etc., they just look better not on the Wii...


MvC3 is created from scratch from the ground up. Nothing is recycled. WRONG see above

That brings into itself another thing that debunks your "they shoulda had 56 characters" thing, the game wouldn't have come out 2/15/11, it would have taken at least another year to put in another 20 characters, then balance the game for those characters.




Ripped off?
Let's see, what do you get with MvC3.
-new roster comprised of more than 50% of new characters never seen in a Vs. game before
-new game character models created from scratch WRONG
-new stages and music created from scratch
-enhanced combat engine from TvC Ass plus 2 = Ass plus 2, doesn't mean it's good
-online play
-character specific endings You say fighting games don't have a point...but this is part of your argument...SMH
-future DLC potential (as opposed to having to buy a brand new game in another year+ for $60+)

Yeah, I sure feel "ripped off".



Why are you arguing that a game that came out 11 years ago has to set the bar for any other fighting game that comes out after it does? Uhhh...this is the alleged SEQUEL to said game maybe...Did you bitch this much when SF4 came out? Or SSF4? Or HD Remix? Or any KOF? BlazBlue? Guilty Gear? Those games have a smaller roster than MvC2 so "they're not worth your time", eh? You obviously aren't giving the game any shot whatsoever (even though it's not even officially out yet!) based off nothing more than the damn roster...guess you aren't much of a fighting game fan then.

[edit] God bless 24hr Super Walmarts.
Got there 11:45, 6 people waiting around. Guy asks me if I need help, I said "I'm waiting for what everyone else is waiting for". =)
Other guy starts talking about SE, holds one up. I ask how many they have of that one....they start digging around in a box. First "8" then "9". "All 360 though, no Ps3." No problem there man.

Grab the strategy guide (a mite thick too).....in depth with a lot of shit including frame data. Start thumbing through it while waiting. I was #3 checked out, funny moment - guy in front of me asks for Ps3 one. Clerk pulls out a regular, scans it. Customer "no I want the special edition". Clerk "we only got 360 SE's, no Ps3..that's what they sent us." Customer waffles. Clerk "do you still want it". (I start thinking YEAH YOU WANT IT AND YOU KNOW IT) Customer "yeah I guess". Ha! You can't deny the love bro! You'll do the same thing I was gonna do. Buy the regular one tonight, play til sunrise, and hit another store when they open in search of the SE.

Have fun, if you like it, you like it, I won't knock you having fun, but I just choose not to. I think TvC is garbage, I said MvC3 was garbage last year at Evo, I still think it's garbage. Just my opinion, and one less person for most people to lose to.

 

[Yevalht]

Just got this game too. Gonna play it now...

 

[Blubikins]

I want a report back soon soldier.

 

[RIPATI]

I don't think there's much recycled TvC content in MvC3.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but TvC was built on a modified version of the SFIV engine, while MvC3 is built on MT Framework. So right off the bat, any TvC models or animation would need to be heavily modified to work in MvC3. Also, how many characters are we talking about? Ryu, Chun Li, Morrigan, Viewtiful Joe? Not exactly the level of sprite recycling that took place with MvC2.

I really think it's unfair to complain about MvC3's cast as being spartan compared to MvC2. Like someone else pointed out above, MvC2 was literally crammed with every sprite Capcom had built on their CPS2 engines. That library just doesn't exist with MT Framework. Art wise, a hell of a lot more effort went into MvC3 than MvC2.

 

[NSCTripleAgent]

I don't think there's much recycled TvC content in MvC3.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but TvC was built on a modified version of the SFIV engine, while MvC3 is built on MT Framework. So right off the bat, any TvC models or animation would need to be heavily modified to work in MvC3. Also, how many characters are we talking about? Ryu, Chun Li, Morrigan, Viewtiful Joe? Not exactly the level of sprite recycling that took place with MvC2.

I really think it's unfair to complain about MvC3's cast as being spartan compared to MvC2. Like someone else pointed out above, MvC2 was literally crammed with every sprite Capcom had built on their CPS2 engines. That library just doesn't exist with MT Framework. Art wise, a hell of a lot more effort went into MvC3 than MvC2.

No, MT Framework is the TvC engine. The new roster additions and stages are the only things not recycled.

 

[zero2dash]

JUSTIN WONG says it's ass.

Justin says its ass because he's no longer top of the food chain and he has to learn new shit.
You want to take that biased opinion over anyone elses? Feel free.
I think that's a massive fail on so many levels, but whatever. That's your right.

I'll go with Justin's opinion over some hacks

inkblot from SRK is a hack? LULZ

 

[RIPATI]

No, MT Framework is the TvC engine. The new roster additions and stages are the only things not recycled.

I can't seem to find a definitive answer, so if you could provide a link I'd appreciate it.

I also think you're just being overly harsh. I mean, the tone of your response, "the new roster additions and stages are the only things not recycled." So, 90% of the characters, 100% of the levels are the only things not recycled? It's ridiculous. Even if the TvC characters who made it into MvC3 are recycled, that's such a tiny fraction of the overall content, I'm not sure what you're complaint is. Unless the entire thing was 100% built from scratch it can't be credited with bringing a ton of new content to the table?

 

[zero2dash]

I'm not sure what you're complaint is.

His complaint (and everyone else I've seen complain about the game) is that it's not MvC2. It's too new, it doesn't share enough old things....it's not MvC2.
I guess some people are not happy about that. I am. I'm glad it's not MvC2, I'm glad it has almost nothing in common with MvC2. If I wanted to play MvC2, I'd play it.

People are complaining just to complain. It's new, it's not the old game but it's new and it's getting lots of buzz but they don't like it so they're going to complain.

I think it's real shallow to complain about that (not being 2) or the roster, but whatever. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion; I just find the complaints laughable myself. I think the game's great so far, I'm enjoying it and a good 95% of the rest of SRK thinks it's a good game (not that that really matters to me either way, I'm still going to like the game whether anyone else does or not).

 

[NSCTripleAgent]

Justin says its ass because he's no longer top of the food chain and he has to learn new shit.
You want to take that biased opinion over anyone elses? Feel free.
I think that's a massive fail on so many levels, but whatever. That's your right.



inkblot from SRK is a hack? LULZ

Justin has been PLAYING IN AND WINNING tournaments for the past decade. So, yes, his opinion means a lot to me. You quoted Joystiq's 5/5 review, I was referencing that. Inkblot (or Ponder, or Mr. Wizard, or whoever at SRK) aren't hacks, but unlike Justin, they don't actually PLAY the games, so, no, his opinion doesn't weigh as heavily to me either.

I can't seem to find a definitive answer, so if you could provide a link I'd appreciate it.

I also think you're just being overly harsh. I mean, the tone of your response, "the new roster additions and stages are the only things not recycled." So, 90% of the characters, 100% of the levels are the only things not recycled? It's ridiculous. Even if the TvC characters who made it into MvC3 are recycled, that's such a tiny fraction of the overall content, I'm not sure what you're complaint is. Unless the entire thing was 100% built from scratch it can't be credited with bringing a ton of new content to the table?

I was just refuting zero's claim that this game is SO much more new and innovative then MvC2 was. MvC2 had a new engine, and recycled characters. MvC3 has the a recycled engine, and mostly new characters. I'm harsh because I see MvC3 as what it is, an inferior game that failed (TvC) with a new coat of paint.

His complaint (and everyone else I've seen complain about the game) is that it's not MvC2. It's too new, it doesn't share enough old things....it's not MvC2.
I guess some people are not happy about that. I am. I'm glad it's not MvC2, I'm glad it has almost nothing in common with MvC2. If I wanted to play MvC2, I'd play it.

People are complaining just to complain. It's new, it's not the old game but it's new and it's getting lots of buzz but they don't like it so they're going to complain.

I think it's real shallow to complain about that (not being 2) or the roster, but whatever. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion; I just find the complaints laughable myself. I think the game's great so far, I'm enjoying it and a good 95% of the rest of SRK thinks it's a good game (not that that really matters to me either way, I'm still going to like the game whether anyone else does or not).

No, my complaint is that it's a bad game rehashed into a BS sequel to a classic. Also that Capcom is dictating what works and what doesn't, and they, even Seth Killian, pretend to care and listen SOOOOOO MUCH, but despite the community not wanting TvC: Marvel Edition, but a game more in line with the previous versions, we got the "easy way out" - take TvC and throw in Marvel characters. And "95% of SRK"? No, sir. Maybe 95% of 09ers and 10ers, lol.

 

[Tigerblade]

So....thoughts on the game for those who have played it?

Also quick question as I have literally read nothing about it, it doesn't use the castrated special move commands ala Wii TvC does it? Please please god say it doesn't.

 

[zero2dash]

I'm harsh because I see MvC3 as what it is, an inferior game that failed (TvC) with a new coat of paint.

TvC failed because no one cares about Tatsunoko characters therefore the cast was minimal (putting it lightly). That + they put it on the worst current gen console spec wise with a controller not fit for fighting games with more than 2 buttons.

No, my complaint is that it's a bad game rehashed into a BS sequel to a classic.

So have you even played it yet? I don't recall you saying you have; if you have, ok. I would just wonder why someone would throw out so much hatred on a game they haven't played (if you haven't played it).

So....thoughts on the game for those who have played it?

I think it's great. Visually the game is very impressive. A lot of comic book influence (panels and so forth). Meat and potatoes of the combo engine is noob friendly but deep enough to satisfy vets. X-Factor is a great new tool. Galactus is a bad mofo. (arguably the hardest Vs. series boss since Mech Gouki in MSHvSF)

Also quick question as I have literally read nothing about it, it doesn't use the castrated special move commands ala Wii TvC does it? Please please god say it doesn't.

Don't know specifically what you're talking about, but it does have Normal and Simple modes. Simple is (from what I've heard) similar to EO Mode in CvS2.

 

[Tigerblade]

Don't know specifically what you're talking about, but it does have Normal and Simple modes. Simple is (from what I've heard) similar to EO Mode in CvS2.

E.g a button press for DP, fireball etc no dpad movements involved. I'm gonna guess that is 'simple' mode. Gonna check some vids out when I get chance but I'll probably wait a few weeks when it has dropped in price.

 

[zero2dash]

Don't think it's going to go down in price much in a few weeks.
NewEgg has a $10 off promo code on both 360 and Ps3 versions, if that helps.

In order to take advantage of the time-limited sale (it started today at midnight PST, so you have until the same time Thursday), simply use the coupon code EMCKHJE73 for the PS3 version, or EMCKHJE72 for the Xbox 360 version at checkout.

Plenty of info at the SRK MvC3 wiki regarding the engine and how it plays

 

[Tigerblade]

Don't think it's going to go down in price much in a few weeks.
NewEgg has a $10 off promo code on both 360 and Ps3 versions, if that helps.


Plenty of info at the SRK MvC3 wiki regarding the engine and how it plays

Cheers I'll check it out, coupons no help in the UK

 

[eloj]

Looks crazy from the GB:QL (~50min)

 

[BassTek]

Got my copy today for 360.

 

[Yevalht]

Way too easy to do combo.... I thought it was gonna be like MvC2 where it's freaking hard to even make one combo lol