Who Won E3?

Who Won e3??

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Psychotext said:
Wait... you're actually suggesting that the on stage stuff is faked?

Superb. A new low even for you. Still, if so that's some fucking fantastic choreography from the people on stage. Congrats to them.
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It's so hard to resist isn't it?
 
Psychotext said:
Wait... you're actually suggesting that the on stage stuff is faked?

Superb. A new low even for you. Still, if so that's some fucking fantastic choreography from the people on stage. Congrats to them.
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I'm not saying that the on stage stuff is faked but they might be able to do it on stage with hardwares that would never be available to the consumer market. Like I said before, it mean nothing if the technology used is not affordable to the consumer. Nintendo was able to do it with a very low cost. Motion capture is nothing new in the industry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yIUXKu0lAs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPSXZpA7CGI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTisU4dibSc&feature=related

Btw, please stop attacking me if you guys can't show me that the hardware used was just a black bar thing like in the pre-recorded video.
 
alg7_munif said:
I'm not saying that the on stage stuff is faked but they might be able to do it on stage with hardwares that would never be available to the consumer market. Like I said before, it mean nothing if the technology used is not affordable to the consumer. Nintendo was able to do it with a very low cost. Motion capture is nothing new in the industry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yIUXKu0lAs
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Oh, so now they have secret uber hardware. Awesome theories dude. Your newsletter, can I subscribe to it?
 
In the end, it's the multi-platform gamers that really win.
 
alg7_munif said:
I'm not saying that the on stage stuff is faked but they might be able to do it on stage with hardwares that would never be available to the consumer market. Like I said before, it mean nothing if the technology used is not affordable to the consumer. Nintendo was able to do it with a very low cost. Motion capture is nothing new in the industry. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yIUXKu0lAs

Btw, please stop attacking me if you guys can't show me that the hardware used was just a black bar thing like in the pre-recorded video.
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Did you see all the red lights all around the field in that video? All the sensors needed for motion capture are right there.
They didn't have that on stage.
Motion capture is just that. Recording an image. What you saw in the demos was them interacting directly with what was on the screen.

I don't know why it's so hard for you to believe.
Maybe these links will help to explain the technology:
http://procrastineering.blogspot.com/2009/06/project-natal.html

http://www.3dvsystems.com/technology/tech.html
 
sony's trailers were kinda a letdown, especially the GT one, 60% of it was just showcasing the new PSP go flying around the screen, and you get to see like half second clips of the game on the screen inside the screen. Same goes for their montage of upcoming games, short bursts and a third the size of the screen so they could impose the video over a picture of a tv screen(I'm a video editor and thats a terrible way to showcase something for 100% duration of a video).

The motion controller demo looked like a pretty rushed demonstration too, the guy could barely work it properly in the beginning and a couple times throughout.

I don't really buy into the hype of natal that much(everything demoed was wii-like casual 'games') but microsoft put on a way better show and showcased the games with their devs a lot better IMO.

and nintendo... biometric pulse moniter... nuff said.
 
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Archer75 said:
Did you see all the red lights all around the field in that video? All the sensors needed for motion capture are right there.
They didn't have that on stage.
Motion capture is just that. Recording an image. What you saw in the demos was them interacting directly with what was on the screen.

I don't know why it's so hard for you to believe.
Maybe these links will help to explain the technology:
http://procrastineering.blogspot.com/2009/06/project-natal.html

http://www.3dvsystems.com/technology/tech.html
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It is not hard to believe that it is possible to do it but it is hard to believe that it would be able to hit the market affordably. What kind of sensor would they use for the tech? How much will it cost? Like I said before, Nintendo was able to do it at a very low cost since they are using a simple infrared technology, Sony is also trying to do the same with a simple webcam and controllers. You can also see in this video that it is possible to do a motion capture without any markers, the question is at what cost?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTisU4dibSc&feature=related
 
alg7_munif said:
It is not hard to believe that it is possible to do it but it is hard to believe that it would be able to hit the market affordably. What kind of sensor would they use for the tech? How much will it cost? Like I said before, Nintendo was able to do it at a very low cost since they are using a simple infrared technology, Sony is also trying to do the same with a simple webcam and controllers. You can also see in this video that it is possible to do a motion capture without any markers, the question is at what cost?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTisU4dibSc&feature=related
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ten million dollars obviously
 
The company behind the second of those links already said roughly what it would cost. $100 or less.

It's likely MS can do an even better job of cost reducing the tech.

"We're going to be launching comfortably in the sub-$100 area," Tomer Barel, VP of Marketing and Product Management for 3DV, told us
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alg7_munif said:
It is not hard to believe that it is possible to do it but it is hard to believe that it would be able to hit the market affordably. What kind of sensor would they use for the tech? How much will it cost? Like I said before, Nintendo was able to do it at a very low cost since they are using a simple infrared technology, Sony is also trying to do the same with a simple webcam and controllers. You can also see in this video that it is possible to do a motion capture without any markers, the question is at what cost?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTisU4dibSc&feature=related
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Yes, at what cost. Microsoft made no announcement. As was posted by the manufacturer of the hardware, under $100. And we know Microsoft has no problem taking a loss on a product in order to make it sell.

But ultimately we won't know for a very long time.
 
Archer75 said:
Kinda hard to do a live demo on stage without the product. Demo doesn't work otherwise.
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From your own link:
Now, I should preface by saying I don't deserve credit for anything that you saw at E3. A large team of very smart, very hard working people were involved in building the demos you saw on stage. The part I am working on has much more to do with making sure this can transition from the E3 stage to your living room - for which there is an even larger team of very smart, very hard working people involved. The other thing I should say is that I can't really reveal any details that haven't already been made public. Unfortunately.
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alg7_munif said:
From your own link:
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Your point? They had a prototype on stage and not a final product that's not even coming out this year? His job is to take the onstage product and transition that into what will be on store shelves?
 
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secondary title should be "you must own all 3 consoles", that will eliminate half the posters, and possibly get a more non biased response, and less fighting.

owners of only one console will obviously favor it and back it up (theres no denying), to argue with them would be like calling their car a piece of shit, it hurts feelings, so of course people get angry.

but this is the internet, so anything goes (shamefully).

quite amusing to read tho.
 
sirsnits said:
secondary title should be "you must own all 3 consoles", that will eliminate half the posters, and possibly get a more non biased response, and less fighting.

owners of only one console will obviously favor it and back it up (theres no denying), to argue with them would be like calling their car a piece of shit, it hurts feelings, so of course people get angry.

but this is the internet, so anything goes (shamefully).

quite amusing to read tho.
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What console you own should have no bearing on who you feel had the better presentation. That said I own a wii and didn't vote for nintendo. Because they sucked.
 
Archer75 said:
What console you own should have no bearing on who you feel had the better presentation.
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You're right... it really shouldn't.

:(

But then it is understandable people find it easier to get hyped for the games coming to a platform they own.
 
Archer75 said:
What console you own should have no bearing on who you feel had the better presentation. That said I own a wii and didn't vote for nintendo. Because they sucked.
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then you are one of the few,

but needless to say, Nintendo was pretty bad, and because it was such a let down it may have upset some of Nintendo fans.
 
sirsnits said:
secondary title should be "you must own all 3 consoles", that will eliminate half the posters, and possibly get a more non biased response, and less fighting.

owners of only one console will obviously favor it and back it up (theres no denying), to argue with them would be like calling their car a piece of shit, it hurts feelings, so of course people get angry.

but this is the internet, so anything goes (shamefully).

quite amusing to read tho.
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It's pretty safe to say that most people thought Nintendo's conference, while better than last year's (lol), was still pretty subpar.

At the end of the day though, I go where the games are regardless of console since I have them all... well I had them all. Wii is going on eBay soon.
 
I though it was considerably better than last year's. There's actually a couple of games there I want to play.
 
Archer75 said:
Your point? They had a prototype on stage and not a final product that's not even coming out this year? His job is to take the onstage product and transition that into what will be on store shelves?
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The point is, this prototype that they used on stage could be something that is much more complex, expensive, bigger and might consist of many sensors. They never really showed the real hardware on stage so I think it is safe to say that it is still in early developement stage, that's why I said I don't know what's the big deal about that announcement. For me it is still unrealistic to be in the consumer market and it is still just a proof of concept.
 
plus.. its Nintendo, did they really need a big showcase, they probably showed the 2 games that every wii household will most likely buy. i know i will.
 
alg7_munif said:
They never really showed the real hardware on stage so I think it is safe to say that it is still in early developement stage,
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Duh? They said that. This thing is not coming out this year. So early development is a given.

Real hardware was shown. Watch the video. Live on stage on the TV. I DVR'd the conference from G4. I watch on a projector and a 119" screen. Maybe that gives me an advantage to see the device.

None of that changes anything. The link from IGN shows that the press says it works as well as it did on screen.
And final products are always better than the prototype.
 
Archer75 said:
Duh? They said that. This thing is not coming out this year. So early development is a given.

Real hardware was shown. Watch the video. Live on stage on the TV. I DVR'd the conference from G4. I watch on a projector and a 119" screen. Maybe that gives me an advantage to see the device.

None of that changes anything. The link from IGN shows that the press says it works as well as it did on screen.
And final products are always better than the prototype.
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Like I said before, I've watch the video a few times already but I never saw the real hardware on stage, since you said that you saw it and you recorded it, why don't you post a picture or point me the instant when the device can be seen.
 
alg7_munif said:
Like I said before, I've watch the video a few times already but I never saw the real hardware on stage, since you said that you saw it and you recorded it, why don't you post a picture or point me the instant when the device can be seen.
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Because i'm not going to go through a online video frame by frame so you can see the hardware. It's irrelevant.

It is there and you don't need to see it to know it. The demo would not work without it. The press used it after microsoft's presentation. It's real. It exists. It works. It's in early development. It's not coming out this year.

How is this so hard to understand? God, I feel like i'm talking to a special needs child.
 
Archer75 said:
Because i'm not going to go through a online video frame by frame so you can see the hardware. It's irrelevant.

It is there and you don't need to see it to know it. The demo would not work without it. The press used it after microsoft's presentation. It's real. It exists. It works. It's in early development. It's not coming out this year.

How is this so hard to understand? God, I feel like i'm talking to a special needs child.
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When did you see it? During the painting, during the avatar or during the sport thing?
 
I would like to know this as well, I wouldn't mind checking out the hardware they were using
 
alg7_munif said:
When did you see it? During the painting, during the avatar or during the sport thing?
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You're right, it was all faked, or done with 10 billion dollar M$ supercomputerz. Those are the only two explanations.
 
Project Natal is the biggest set up.

I'm laughing so hard that people actually believe in it.
 
veritas7 said:
Project Natal is the biggest set up.

I'm laughing so hard that people actually believe in it.
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I'm laughing at the fact Nintendo introduced a vital scanner. I was seriously waiting for Iwata to yell "Nah, where' just fuckin around".
 
Archer75 said:
Don't forget the journalists who were paid off.
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Remember, anything that wasn't demoed on the stage doesn't exist. All those journalists who said they got hands on with the psp go were lying, paid off by $ony. And Mass Effect 2 doesn't exist. Neither does Natal.

BELIEVE
 
Technoob said:
Remember, anything that wasn't demoed on the stage doesn't exist. All those journalists who said they got hands on with the psp go were lying, paid off by $ony. And Mass Effect 2 doesn't exist. Neither does Natal.

BELIEVE
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sony cant afford to pay people off ;)
 
I think Microsoft wins this one.. the Psp Go! at $250 when it isn't even that much smaller and isn't meant to replace the psp-3000 and umds seems pointless.

That said, Uncharted 2 is my most anticipated game.. so microsoft and naughty dog are co-winners of E3.
 
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