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A64's don't O/C much - this is true. But I would bet you that it soundly beats a P4 at the same PR (3400+ vs. 3.4GHz) in any gaming benchmark.Originally posted by EarthwormJim
Athlon 64's really don't overclock at all. Maybe 100mhz or so but that's it, so you'll really only have stock performance with it. I would think if you could get a 2.8 to 3.4 ghz, I'm sure it would be faster than the A64. The A64 3200+ is faster than the 3.2 P4, but not a whole lot more, so I think 3.4ghz would be atleast as fast if not faster.
I don't think the lure of 64bits should be a buying decision, since it will probobly be 2 years before the benefits of 64 bit computer will really start to appear. Plus if you go with the P4 you get hyperthreading which does make a significant difference when multi-tasking and such.
Although if I were you, I'd wait a couple of weeks for prescott to come out to see if the 2.8 model will be faster than the 2.8c.
Originally posted by EarthwormJim
Athlon 64's really don't overclock at all. Maybe 100mhz or so but that's it, so you'll really only have stock performance with it. I would think if you could get a 2.8 to 3.4 ghz, I'm sure it would be faster than the A64. The A64 3200+ is faster than the 3.2 P4, but not a whole lot more, so I think 3.4ghz would be atleast as fast if not faster.
I don't think the lure of 64bits should be a buying decision, since it will probobly be 2 years before the benefits of 64 bit computer will really start to appear. Plus if you go with the P4 you get hyperthreading which does make a significant difference when multi-tasking and such.
Although if I were you, I'd wait a couple of weeks for prescott to come out to see if the 2.8 model will be faster than the 2.8c.
Originally posted by oqvist
I have always wondered why people still get Pentium CPU:s.
They are still as overpriced as ever and still don´t give the same performance especially in games.
How can Intel charge 2-3 times more for their CPU:s than AMD??
The upgrade path is the only thing about this platform that does bother me. That's why _I'm_ waiting for 939pin FX CPUs to come out and level off at a reasonable price. I still think that an A64 would take a p4 at the same PR (3.2GHz vs. 3200+) in most gaming benchmarks. While the p4 platform may have dual-channel memory, the A64 has an onboard memory controller - this pretty much negates any difference in speed that the p4 got from having dual channel...Originally posted by plur
Since when has AMD ever outperformed Intel in gaming?
OK, the uber super cooled ORB atm is an FX51 #1 but realistically, an aircooled, moderately overclocked system (majority of the enthusiast community do not phase change ) the Intel will give you better performance.
Socket 754 is not going to offer you a great regrade path for the future, whereas most 865/875 boards will at least support prescott etc., so when you get bored of that single channel 3200+ and try to squeeze a few hundred extra MHz out of it, dont be too disappointed, because they aint overclocking well.
At the end of the day, your wallet will decide
Originally posted by Big Worm
newegg.com
A64 3000+ = $227
A64 3200+ = $270
P4 3.0c = $261
Show me where the hell you see this "2-3 times more" bullshit...
Originally posted by dewhite
The upgrade path is the only thing about this platform that does bother me. That's why _I'm_ waiting for 939pin FX CPUs to come out and level off at a reasonable price. I still think that an A64 would take a p4 at the same PR (3.2GHz vs. 3200+) in most gaming benchmarks. While the p4 platform may have dual-channel memory, the A64 has an onboard memory controller - this pretty much negates any difference in speed that the p4 got from having dual channel...
Originally posted by oqvist
Eeeh A64 next gen
P 4 3.0c old gen???
How about P 4 3.0c against 3000+ or even 3200+?
Originally posted by Big Worm
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Originally posted by plur
Since when has AMD ever outperformed Intel in gaming?
OK, the uber super cooled ORB atm is an FX51 #1 but realistically, an aircooled, moderately overclocked system (majority of the enthusiast community do not phase change ) the Intel will give you better performance.
Socket 754 is not going to offer you a great regrade path for the future, whereas most 865/875 boards will at least support prescott etc., so when you get bored of that single channel 3200+ and try to squeeze a few hundred extra MHz out of it, dont be too disappointed, because they aint overclocking well.
At the end of the day, your wallet will decide
Originally posted by SmokeRngs
Prescott is debuting on the socket 478 boards but it won't be there for long (unless there are even more problems with the new Intel chipset pushing its released even farther back). It's not what it was desinged for. It was supposed to debut with a new chipset also. But neither of those things have happened as yet. Soon socket 478 will be dead. And it will be dead long before socket 754 for the A64. If I remember correctly, it should have about another year of use yet.
Originally posted by Big Worm
newegg.com
A64 3000+ = $227
A64 3200+ = $270
P4 3.0c = $261
Show me where the hell you see this "2-3 times more" bullshit...
Originally posted by I(illa Bee
well considering you will need a P43.2c EE to match the preformence of a Althlon64 3200+.
the 3.2EE will run you upwards of $850 if im correct...
Originally posted by oqvist
How can Intel charge 2-3 times more for their CPU:s than AMD??
Originally posted by freeloader1969
If you do a shitload of video/audio encoding then grab a P4. For everything else, grab the Athon 64. If you're a part time dabbler in video/audio encoding (like myself) then grab the Athlon 64. Socket 754 will be around for atleast another year and will probably handle atleast a 4000+ processor.
For people who say the Athlon 64 doesn't overclock well, you obviously haven't been reading about the new stepping (CAAOC). People are reporting 500mhz overclocks with stock coolers and as little as 1.7volts.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=27906&highlight=caaoc
Like any other chip, it takes a few months/1 year to mature.
Originally posted by dewhite
Gotta go with the A64, especially if you do any kinda 3d/heavy math...
I think that's because it's such a good question...Originally posted by Ugly_Jim
I'm really impressed with how well this thread is going; many Intel and AMD fans are no doubt holding their tongues. I haven't seen such constructive debates on many other forums.
Originally posted by boardsportsrule
A64...i am so pissed ppl still think a64 oc like shit... on amdforums.com alot of ppl are hitting 2.3-2.5 EASY with STOCK freaking cooling... a A64@ 2.4-2.5 will kill ANY p4 unless it's on a prommy or on mpeg/divx.... i hate how intel is STILL overpricing and getting money...i mean cmon people, time to wake up, AMD rules now