Which would you all rather have? AMD 64 3200+ or P4 2.8OC?

Originally posted by pakotlar
not true, an a64 at 2.4-2.5 will get spanked by a 3.8ghz p4 (no prommie needed). A 3.6 p4 would match it.
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How did you come to this? Any findings you would like to share that could back this up?
 
Originally posted by isp
How did you come to this? Any findings you would like to share that could back this up?
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yeah here :
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=1225414&STARTPAGE=1&zb=691950

also: compare my benchmarks to these: http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2004q1/athlon64-3400/index.x?pg=13

http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2004q1/athlon64-3400/index.x?pg=6

http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000299


http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000257


http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000259

Cinebench 2003
http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000260

Comanche 4 Test (5900 Ultra)
http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000262

Comanche 4 - 9800xt
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3261_3295861__6

ut2003 9800xt
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3261_3295861__7

3dmark 03 - Cpu Test
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3261_3295861__8


Here are my benches @ 3.6ghz and a 9800pro @ 420/365 (roughly 9800xt +/-)

Cypher: 14.76 sec
Primordia: 381.69 seconds
MolecDynam: 70.2854 sec
Cinebench 2003 - 1 cpu: 363 SMT: 428
3dMark2001se - 20884 (Cntrl panel defaults)
Comanche4 (640) – 74.28
Comanche4 (1024) – 74.54
Ut2003 MaxDetail (1024) - 268.968 Flyby 95.73 Botmatch
(640) – 298.473 Flyby 95.96 Botmatch
SuperPi 1m : 38s
SuperPi 2m : 1m31s
PcMark 2002 : CPU - 8977
Mem - 11175
HDD – 1452

3dMark 03: Cpu Test: 827


3.6ghz p4 is faster than a 2.2ghz a64 (in all but ut2003, by all of 5%), faster in business apps, and kills in multitasking. 2.4ghz athlon is slightly faster in primordia, ut2003, and cypher, though my cypher results are slow compared to 3.2ghz p4 (dunno why, maybe 5:4 penalty?). A 2.4ghz a64 is for all intents and purposes competitor to 3.6ghz p4 with 1000mhz fsb. Sorry that I couldn't run more benchmarks.
 
http://forums.amdmb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=286246



32s pi mark... check that cpu out...yes it's on water but temps were so low and so littel vcore water was not needed.....lookit that monster....qwert57 is crazy! ln2 cooled for 2899 mhz too....


checked 3d '03 cpu score of 827 was beeten by a 3.569mhz a 3.725 mhz p4 BUT also a 2205 mhz amd... a 2300 mhz amd..... hmmm


oh and the person with THE HIGHEST cpu 3dmark 03 score is on a 3 ghz A64...then another 3ghz A 64....THEN a 4ghz p4...

AND the person with the highest overall 3d 2001 score is on a a64...hmmm...just something to think about :)

http://service.futuremark.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectsearch


31000 points!!! WHOAH
 
Originally posted by boardsportsrule
http://forums.amdmb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=286246



32s pi mark... check that cpu out...yes it's on water but temps were so low and so littel vcore water was not needed.....lookit that monster....qwert57 is crazy! ln2 cooled for 2899 mhz too....


checked 3d '03 cpu score of 827 was beeten by a 3.569mhz a 3.725 mhz p4 BUT also a 2205 mhz amd... a 2300 mhz amd..... hmmm


oh and the person with THE HIGHEST cpu 3dmark 03 score is on a 3 ghz A64...then another 3ghz A 64....THEN a 4ghz p4...

AND the person with the highest overall 3d 2001 score is on a a64...hmmm...just something to think about :)

http://service.futuremark.com/servlet/Index?pageid=/orb/projectsearch


31000 points!!! WHOAH
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yeah, I don't know, if the roadmap for 939 pin a64's is long enough, I may just have to upgrade in 2005 to AMD. We'll have to see how tejas holds up.
 
ya.... i want to get a A64 system...but to much still.. i want 939 pin to come out.... that's the one to get if you love upgradeing EVERYTHING because i think it should last the longest( socket a :) ) but 754 should go on for atleast 3 more years before dying off..... not a big intel person but it seems like their products were once the best....now amd...then intel...the cycle begins :)
 
Originally posted by freeloader1969
Just patiently waiting for a 64 bit version of Windows to be released. That should even things up in the multitasking area. If you believe there's a perceived problem.

As for comparing your SETI units, did you test the same work unit on both processors?

Also, I don't quite understand the fuss about HT and multitasking. My system runs several programs at once, with good speed and no slow down that I'm aware of. For example, I'm encoding a video in the background with Adobe Premiere Pro right now, SETI is running and I'm typing this of course. Granted I haven't used a P4 much, but what more could you expect from any computer, be it Intel or AMD?
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Ofcourse I did....I had a seti bench work unit that was being passed around with instrucion....I used and many others with different systems did....



As for HT again I never said there was any problem since priorities can handle these things....however for ppl who are interested in doing multiple things with little effect on time of each application the P4 is far better...Again I had a A64 member test this stuff ppl....same applications....I don't make stuff up unlike a lot of ppl on the AMD side who just talk about what they haven't tested, heard from someone else, or plain don't know....


The 2.4 and 2.5ghz is hardly the norm and I have sen my p4's at 3.5ghz then those at many sites.....BUt I am sure if you hang out at an all AMD site you will see plenty of them vesus the P4....DUH!!!
 
Seems as if on tomshardware.com the A64 3200 and the P4 3.2 are practically neck and neck. Some in favor for the A64 (Mostly Games) and some for the P4 3.2.

It also seems though the P4 3.2 does take title of more benchmarks, however a slight increase in the A64's speed, and it hold ground really easy, especially in games. The P4 remains at stock speed, but what would you all say is normal for the P4 3.2 to OC at? Im pretty sure that since they are relatively close at stock speeds and the P4 still hangs with the A64 in some tests when the A64 is at 2.3mhz....a P4 3.2 OC to something like 3.6 would be the leader? Relatively same price too...man this is a hard decision.
 
Originally posted by jdub12
Seems as if on tomshardware.com the A64 3200 and the P4 3.2 are practically neck and neck. Some in favor for the A64 (Mostly Games) and some for the P4 3.2.

It also seems though the P4 3.2 does take title of more benchmarks, however a slight increase in the A64's speed, and it hold ground really easy, especially in games. The P4 remains at stock speed, but what would you all say is normal for the P4 3.2 to OC at? Im pretty sure that since they are relatively close at stock speeds and the P4 still hangs with the A64 in some tests when the A64 is at 2.3mhz....a P4 3.2 OC to something like 3.6 would be the leader? Relatively same price too...man this is a hard decision.
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But wheren´t that the benchmark where they used crappy memory with the A64?
 
Duvie...where can I download the work unit? And, you really need to learn how to relax. I wasn't attacking you or the P4.
JFYI, the new Athlon 64 cores based on CAAOC stepping with production date of 0352 or higher ARE reaching 24-2500mhz on air with 1.6-1.7 volts.


Listen guys, the whole scene of internet sites doing benchmarks stinks now. Too many sites have sold out or are being run by "Fanboys" themselves; that you can't trust anyone anymore. I know I don't. I don't care who runs the site, I don't believe the benchmarks I see now.
 
i dont belive any websites about processors because it's SOOOOO baised...either with intel or amd...i doubt any one really is"just for perfomence" i like reviews to show what the ups and downs are of mobo's ram and coolers...and hdd's beyond that it's just your opinion!!!! that's why you should quote forum's not reviews!
 
Originally posted by freeloader1969
Duvie...where can I download the work unit? And, you really need to learn how to relax. I wasn't attacking you or the P4.
JFYI, the new Athlon 64 cores based on CAAOC stepping with production date of 0352 or higher ARE reaching 24-2500mhz on air with 1.6-1.7 volts.


Listen guys, the whole scene of internet sites doing benchmarks stinks now. Too many sites have sold out or are being run by "Fanboys" themselves; that you can't trust anyone anymore. I know I don't. I don't care who runs the site, I don't believe the benchmarks I see now.
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I can email the zip file to you and it does require you to go to seti web site and get a specific client...the zip file as a word doc with instructions....Heck I may just send you the client as well....
 
Originally posted by freeloader1969
Duvie...where can I download the work unit? And, you really need to learn how to relax. I wasn't attacking you or the P4.
JFYI, the new Athlon 64 cores based on CAAOC stepping with production date of 0352 or higher ARE reaching 24-2500mhz on air with 1.6-1.7 volts.


Listen guys, the whole scene of internet sites doing benchmarks stinks now. Too many sites have sold out or are being run by "Fanboys" themselves; that you can't trust anyone anymore. I know I don't. I don't care who runs the site, I don't believe the benchmarks I see now.
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damm...all i got to say is, I cant wait to see what my A64 can do with 2.0v...HEHEH

when i get one of course
 
Originally posted by 8Complex
I'm in this same delemma. Cost is about the same on either, so thats not too much an issue.

I strongly believe that 64bit won't be fully supported for several years. XP64 may be coming out, but who cares about Windows support when it's really the application support that'd make the biggest difference in performance? There used to be different versions of some professional programs made specifically to be run on Alphas, as well as versions of NT that were coded for Alphas. They did kick ass, but they were all specifically coded, and was the best of the time - so companies sprung for them very often to get things done more quickly even with the extra/higher costs. Nowadays the speeds perform so near one another, they're hard to tell apart. My pIII 866 at work here performs like I would expect a 2.0ghz system to perform.

The A64, there is a lot of talk of a socket switch coming soon, as well as a new PCI standard, and I think a few other things. So why buy that now when you will be not only out of date in 2 months, but you won't be able to upgrade that system much further? I suppose the same can be said for the p4's, but AFAIK the prescott's are using the same socket, which'd leave a little more room for ability to upgrade.

Personally, I think it really depends on what you're going to use the system for. I use mine to work (Solidworks) and will more then likely pick up a few games for it -- but I'm a casual gamer, not a serious one. For me, professional applications like I use would appear to run better on pentium systems rather then athlon ones, perhaps it's just traditional thinking, though.

My biggest problem with making up my mind is that I can't find benchmarks or comparisons between what -I- want to see. I want to see a comparison that runs processors (all $150-400 processors out now... 2.8-3.4 or equivalents, plus opterons) in both gaming and professional applications. I also want to see this when it comes to GeForce4 cards -- the only professional testing on video cards I see are ridiculously expensive OpenGL cards like the Quadro and FireGL.


Anyway, pardon the tangent, but at this point the system I am looking at is a p4 3.0c OC'd reasonably, 1gb of ram, and a GeForce 5900 non-ultra. Cooling for the processor will be done by a Zalman all copper cooler, and the rest will remain standard cooling. A simple but very effective setup, and I don't think I'll regret going with a p4 at all.
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Get PC Modder magazine. The entire issue is comparing all types of chips on all types of mobos and gfx cards (mostly the Geforces) with 3dmark scores.. It also shows OCing of pretty much every type and how-to's on how to OC everything that can be OCed.. It's AWSOME, but it is $10... A must have though..
 
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