When will I see..... MSRP?

Epyon said:
I'm over everyone whining and whining about the price of GPUs right now, the whole behavior is driven by a huge sense of entitlement and conditioned false belief that what was once true, must remain true for eternity.

* it was once true that a high end card could be bought for a reasonable price, therefore i will whine to the end of time if that past fact does not remain true for eternity (and screw the fact that a "high end card" 10 years ago had a tiny fraction of the performance of today's high end cards and was far cheaper to manufacture)

* it was once true that each new generation of cards had a huge uplift in performance over the previous generation, therefore i will whine to the end of time if that past fact does not remain true for eternity. despite the fact that modern chip manufacturing techniques are starting to hit the limits of physics at the exact same time that adding yet more cuda cores is starting to reach the point of diminishing returns.

a lot of the self-entitled whining is driven by youtubers who garner views by moaning about the fact that (surprise surprise!) what was true yesterday is no longer true, but it seems that for some people, the hobby of moaning about the changing GPU market has eclipsed their hobby of gaming as their main recreational activity!

if you want a gpu and someone is selling it - buy it.

if it is too expensive for you - don't buy it.

if nobody is selling it, then accept you can't have it, or perhaps start your own GPU company and do better than the people you're complaining about.
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Or we can keep doing what we like. Thanks.
 
The argument that that "the market" drives the pricing to infinity doesn't really hold true for other things that are actually in far more demand and, have less supply in the tech world. Just an observation.

One day, the masses will get tired of being exploited.
 
cjcox said:
The argument that that "the market" drives the pricing to infinity doesn't really hold true for other things that are actually in far more demand and, have less supply in the tech world.
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True you can illegally enforce MSRP (Sony do it well for the playstation, even in 2001 they were still often at msrp or reasonable bundle in store), but you need a lot of leverage to enforce it, in a way AMD-Nvidia does not necessarily have versus the Apple-Sony (those bring after sales high margin business they can on the low bully companies to make disappear)
 
LukeTbk said:
True you can illegally enforce MSRP (Sony do it well for the playstation, even in 2001 they were still often at msrp or reasonable bundle in store), but you need a lot of leverage to enforce it, in a way AMD-Nvidia does not necessarily have versus the Apple-Sony (those bring after sales high margin business they can on the low bully companies to make disappear)
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There's millions of examples... and pretty sure, they aren't all doing something "illegal". Again, just an observation. IMHO, actually harder to identify the things that follow the GPU model of pricing. Again, just my own observation.
 
if sony(or anyone) says "this is the price, no more no less" and enforces it, how is that illegal?
 
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cjcox said:
There's millions of examples... and pretty sure, they aren't all doing something "illegal". Again, just an observation. IMHO, actually harder to identify the things that follow the GPU model of pricing. Again, just my own observation.
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I think "" is a good here, it is in most jurisdiction illegal to try to set price, but they tend to let it slide even when it is obvious like that when it is low price and do not feel that it kill competition-hurt customer.

pendragon1 said:
if sony(or anyone) says "this is the price, no more no less" and enforces it, how is that illegal?
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in a lot of jurisdiction price fixing is illegal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resal...s were intended to,Miller–Tydings Act of 1937.

That why they tend to use indirect ways to enforce it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrecht_v._Herald_Co.
Albrecht v. Herald Co., 390 U.S. 145 (1968), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court, which reaffirmed the law (as it then was) that fixing a maximum price was illegal per se.
 
LukeTbk said:
I think "" is a good here, it is in most jurisdiction illegal to try to set price, but they tend to let it slide even when it is obvious like that when it is low price and do not feel that it kill competition-hurt customer.


in a lot of jurisdiction price fixing is illegal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resale_price_maintenance#:~:text=These laws were intended to,Miller–Tydings Act of 1937.

That why they tend to use indirect ways to enforce it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrecht_v._Herald_Co.
Albrecht v. Herald Co., 390 U.S. 145 (1968), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court, which reaffirmed the law (as it then was) that fixing a maximum price was illegal per se.
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Price fixing is when competitors agree to fix prices. Sony keeping its own products at an affordable price is not price fixing.
 
LukeTbk said:
I think "" is a good here, it is in most jurisdiction illegal to try to set price, but they tend to let it slide even when it is obvious like that when it is low price and do not feel that it kill competition-hurt customer.


in a lot of jurisdiction price fixing is illegal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resale_price_maintenance#:~:text=These laws were intended to,Miller–Tydings Act of 1937.

That why they tend to use indirect ways to enforce it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrecht_v._Herald_Co.
Albrecht v. Herald Co., 390 U.S. 145 (1968), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court, which reaffirmed the law (as it then was) that fixing a maximum price was illegal per se.
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yeah youre misinterpreting what those are about.
 
Shoganai said:
Price fixing is when competitors agree to fix prices. Sony keeping its own products at an affordable price is not price fixing.
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RPM can get way more general than that, it is at is base simply:
Resale Price Maintenance (RPM) is a practice where a manufacturer or supplier attempts to control the price at which retailers resell their product to consumers.

Which can be frowned upon some jurisdiction, Europe for example anything that stifle the ability of reseller to compete with each others and their autonomy, same goes for your RPM habbit on AIBs, Nvidia forcing EVGA to sales GPU with $4 margin, in some place could be something people would look at.
When they push and fix price down, people look way less at it of course, but those laws wording and precedents.

When I was working on a tech store we did agree to sales apple product on a ridiculous large lost because of their RPM, because accessories for them margin were so great, but that dancing on a fine line (specially once Apple started to make their own store and sell direct from the web).

And do not forget since the beginning I said that they could do it (and they would not get into trouble at least not for years) if they are reasonable with their price they enforce and ready to lose some mom&pops style compute shop if they still exist.
 
LukeTbk said:
RPM can get way more general than that, it is at is base simply:
Resale Price Maintenance (RPM) is a practice where a manufacturer or supplier attempts to control the price at which retailers resell their product to consumers.

Which can be frowned upon some jurisdiction, Europe for example anything that stifle the ability of reseller to compete with each others and their autonomy, same goes for your RPM habbit on AIBs, Nvidia forcing EVGA to sales GPU with $4 margin, in some place could be something people would look at.
When they push and fix price down, people look way less at it of course, but those laws wording and precedents.

When I was working on a tech store we did agree to sales apple product on a ridiculous large lost because of their RPM, because accessories for them margin were so great, but that dancing on a fine line (specially once Apple started to make their own store and sell direct from the web).

And do not forget since the beginning I said that they could do it (and they would not get into trouble at least not for years) if they are reasonable with their price they enforce and ready to lose some mom&pops style compute shop if they still exist.
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Nobody is frowning upon keeping prices low.
 
LukeTbk said:
RPM can get way more general than that, it is at is base simply:
Resale Price Maintenance (RPM) is a practice where a manufacturer or supplier attempts to control the price at which retailers resell their product to consumers.

Which can be frowned upon some jurisdiction, Europe for example anything that stifle the ability of reseller to compete with each others and their autonomy, same goes for your RPM habbit on AIBs, Nvidia forcing EVGA to sales GPU with $4 margin, in some place could be something people would look at.
When they push and fix price down, people look way less at it of course, but those laws wording and precedents.

When I was working on a tech store we did agree to sales apple product on a ridiculous large lost because of their RPM, because accessories for them margin were so great, but that dancing on a fine line (specially once Apple started to make their own store and sell direct from the web).

And do not forget since the beginning I said that they could do it (and they would not get into trouble at least not for years) if they are reasonable with their price they enforce and ready to lose some mom&pops style compute shop if they still exist.
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we are not talking about Europe and "frowned upon" is not illegal... youre just grasping at straws.
 
Yeah maybe, that some many said in the past (FrgMstr I think said AMD was quite limited in enforcing price in many market) on this message board that I repeat being no expert at all.
 
MSRP?

The biggest retailer listed a 5090 here for over US$ 4400 today and it was gone in 2 hours. In a country where the average income is US$ 560 a month...
Now they list a 5080 for US$ 1600.

5070Ti was US$ 1060.

Cheapest 9070xt was US$ 785, and haven't been in stock since hour 1.
 
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Calavaro said:
MSRP?

The biggest retailer listed a 5090 here for over US$ 4400 today and it was gone in 2 hours. In a country where the average income is US$ 560 a month...
Now they list a 5080 for US$ 1600.

5070Ti was US$ 1060.

Cheapest 9070xt was US$ 785, and haven't been in stock since hour 1.
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And the 5080 sold out... at US$ 1600.
 
MSRP? Not for a LONG time. I sold my used 4090 FE for $2500 after using it for 2+ years (I got it for MSRP in 2022 when it launched).

I'm still looking for another 5090 FE and an Astral 5090 and it's very difficult. Didn't get the NewEgg Shuffle yesterday (for the Astral 5090).
 
LOL, this is a message board forum. If you can't handle complaining you're in the wrong place, because complaining is part of human nature.

In this case the complaints feel justified because of the circumstances.

If Nvidia was doing great by the customers and producing enough 5000 series cards, people would be singing their praises but that's just not the case this generation.

Maybe it will get better with 6000 series, who knows.

Until then, the 5000 series is what it is, a terrible paper launch with terrible pricing and availability.
 
vjhawk said:
LOL, this is a message board forum. If you can't handle complaining you're in the wrong place, because complaining is part of human nature.

In this case the complaints feel justified because of the circumstances.

If Nvidia was doing great by the customers and producing enough 5000 series cards, people would be singing their praises but that's just not the case this generation.

Maybe it will get better with 6000 series, who knows.

Until then, the 5000 series is what it is, a terrible paper launch with terrible pricing and availability.
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