When will I see..... MSRP?

As soon as AMD makes a directly competitive card and can meet demand to maintain actual msrp, Nvidia will suddenly figure it out.
 
KickAssCop said:
Already waiting since 9700 Pro... :cautious:
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There were a few cards that were either faster than NVIDIA's or provided 90%+ of the performance of NVIDIA's solution for a lot less money. In some cases the ATi/AMD cards were faster than NVIDIA's but they didn't get the same adoption due to brand recognition or some flaw that meant there was a significant caveat to their use and thus, fell behind NVIDIA for that reason. The X1900XT's were great, the 4870X2 was the fastest card of its day. The 5970 was great as was the Radeon HD7970 and HD7970GHz editions. Crossfire was a problem in some cases or with some multi-monitor configurations which is what really killed some of these making two NVIDIA GPU's in SLI the better choice on the high end.

Even so, these were the exceptions and not the norm.
 
Dan_D said:
There were a few cards that were either faster than NVIDIA's or provided 90%+ of the performance of NVIDIA's solution for a lot less money. In some cases the ATi/AMD cards were faster than NVIDIA's but they didn't get the same adoption due to brand recognition or some flaw that meant there was a significant caveat to their use and thus, fell behind NVIDIA for that reason. The X1900XT's were great, the 4870X2 was the fastest card of its day. The 5970 was great as was the Radeon HD7970 and HD7970GHz editions. Crossfire was a problem in some cases or with some multi-monitor configurations which is what really killed some of these making two NVIDIA GPU's in SLI the better choice on the high end.

Even so, these were the exceptions and not the norm.
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Those days of just being really close competitors were just better for us. Unfortunately we're now seeing what no competition (except in the mid to lower segments) is like.
 
Dan_D said:
There were a few cards that were either faster than NVIDIA's or provided 90%+ of the performance of NVIDIA's solution for a lot less money. In some cases the ATi/AMD cards were faster than NVIDIA's but they didn't get the same adoption due to brand recognition or some flaw that meant there was a significant caveat to their use and thus, fell behind NVIDIA for that reason. The X1900XT's were great, the 4870X2 was the fastest card of its day. The 5970 was great as was the Radeon HD7970 and HD7970GHz editions. Crossfire was a problem in some cases or with some multi-monitor configurations which is what really killed some of these making two NVIDIA GPU's in SLI the better choice on the high end.

Even so, these were the exceptions and not the norm.
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I think my next card will be AMD baring any major issues
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
I think my next card will be AMD baring any major issues
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I don't make decisions like that. I buy whatever is at the top of the product stack excluding instances where it makes no sense for me to do so. Essentially, if the second fastest card is considerably cheaper and within 10% of the top card, I'll go that route provided there are no other major caveats to going with the lower end card. As for brands, I don't care. AMD or NVIDIA makes no difference to me.

I typically hand my current GPU down to other systems. I would only seriously consider AMD at this point in the mid-range and only if there was better bang for my buck in doing so. I do actually have a 6700XT in one system right now but its seldom used. My 3090FE is going to replace a 2080 Super in my girlfriend's machine when I eventually get ahold of a 5090.
 
Dan_D said:
I don't make decisions like that. I buy whatever is at the top of the product stack excluding instances where it makes no sense for me to do so. Essentially, if the second fastest card is considerably cheaper and within 10% of the top card, I'll go that route provided there are no other major caveats to going with the lower end card. As for brands, I don't care. AMD or NVIDIA makes no difference to me.

I typically hand my current GPU down to other systems. I would only seriously consider AMD at this point in the mid-range and only if there was better bang for my buck in doing so. I do actually have a 6700XT in one system right now but its seldom used. My 3090FE is going to replace a 2080 Super in my girlfriend's machine when I eventually get ahold of a
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I need an excuse to play with ROCm so don't take my excuse away from me. haha
 
The note on the internal Nvidia employee store (have a source..) says blackwell won't be available till April so even Nvidia employees are waiting at this point for 5090s. On a side note, I swear the Nvidia app causes my computer to randomly go into a slow motion freeze where nothing responds, cursor slowly trails across the screen and I need to reboot, same thing with my 4080s also so definitely not the cards. Uninstalling the app means things are fine..anyone else have this issue?
 
KickAssCop said:
So in my neck of the woods RTX 5080s are on average 1500-2200$. RTX 5090 are being sold for anywhere from 3300 - 6000$. Still can't find one in stock. Wtf is this crap? A 4090 is selling for on average 3500-4500$. It is ridiculous. Used 4090 for 2200-2500$ if you are lucky.
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Is that Canadian dollars? At least you already have a 4090 so you can try to sit it out until stock maybe returns on the 5090.
 
WilyKit said:
When the 6k series is out, you may be able to find a used 5k series for msrp.
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So, you can get a 4090 at MSRP today?

Nvidia isn't AMD. While we can all jump up and down about some supply left of 3060 cards, Nvidia indicates they don't want a "last gen market" of NiB cards out there. Implementation of that left to Nvidia.
 
Dan_D said:
There were a few cards that were either faster than NVIDIA's or provided 90%+ of the performance of NVIDIA's solution for a lot less money. In some cases the ATi/AMD cards were faster than NVIDIA's but they didn't get the same adoption due to brand recognition or some flaw that meant there was a significant caveat to their use and thus, fell behind NVIDIA for that reason. The X1900XT's were great, the 4870X2 was the fastest card of its day. The 5970 was great as was the Radeon HD7970 and HD7970GHz editions. Crossfire was a problem in some cases or with some multi-monitor configurations which is what really killed some of these making two NVIDIA GPU's in SLI the better choice on the high end.

Even so, these were the exceptions and not the norm.
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I don't agree with this but I am equally happy for anyone to enjoy competition's cards. For me there were many times I did consider AMD but it was never enough to edge me over to a buy decision as either something faster was just on the horizon, a key feature was missing, some bad driver nonsense was amiss with the games I played, and/or some other shenanigans were about.
 
KickAssCop said:
I don't agree with this but I am equally happy for anyone to enjoy competition's cards. For me there were many times I did consider AMD but it was never enough to edge me over to a buy decision as either something faster was just on the horizon, a key feature was missing, some bad driver nonsense was amiss with the games I played, and/or some other shenanigans were about.
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I'm not sure what you disagree with considering I pretty much said the same thing. There were times where AMD was technically faster or provided a similar or sometimes superior gaming experience compared to NVIDIA. I simply mentioned specific cards where this was the case. However, they did always have some driver issue, some limitation or caveat that made them the worse option compared to NVIDIA. About the only time I didn't feel that was with the X1900XTX. It worked in Crossfire and I didn't have any issues during that time. Technically, NVIDIA got higher frame rates, but the HardOCP article at the time covered how the X1900XTX actually provided the same if not better experience by giving you smoother and more consistent gameplay. This was back before 1% lows were part of reviews and I don't think all that stuff was fully understood at the time.

The 4870X2 was faster than the NVIDIA cards of the day. Unfortunately, I had two in CrossfireX and the second card almost never did anything. Sometimes the second GPU on the first card didn't work either. Due to my connections to AMD at the time working with HardOCP, I worked with AMD on the problem. I was even sent an engineering sample of one of the cards and still couldn't get it to behave right. So I ditched that setup for NVIDIA cards. The 5970 actually worked really well and was faster than what NVIDIA had at the time unless you stepped up to multiple cards in SLI in which case NVIDIA was the faster option.

The 5970 was great by itself despite being a dual GPU card. However, it couldn't do Crossfire with dual cards because the drivers weren't right. They didn't fix this until a couple months before the next generation of cards hit. The HD 7970 and GHz editions were really competitive if not faster than the NVIDIA cards of the day but again, Crossfire limitations reared their ugly head. You couldn't do 7680x1600 in Eyefinity as Crossfire's connection lacked the bandwidth to do that. Using a single monitor dual cards in Crossfire were great. Switch to Eyefinity and you were boned. Again, I worked with AMD and they never admitted that to me but went down a deep rabbit hole to figure that out. As I had 3x Dell 3007WFP-HC's as my monitor setup at the time, I ditched AMD once again. Though I kept one card for my girlfriend's PC and that thing served admirably.

In the modern era, I considered the 6900XTX or whatever it was called but compared to the 3090, it just didn't perform. Slower and it throated infected elephant dick at ray tracing which was a no go given how much Cyberpunk 2077 I was playing at the time. There was no way I was spending that kind of money on a card that wasn't really that much better than my existing RTX 2080 Ti in that game. I was tempted given the price and seemingly better availability over the 3090, but I'm glad I held out for the latter. It's pretty much the same story but worse with the 7900XTX. As good as a 4080 Super but far from the 4090 and still sucks at ray tracing. Again, DLSS is far better than FSR so that's a pretty big deal as far as I'm concerned. Even without fake frames.
 
Dan_D said:
I'm not sure what you disagree with considering I pretty much said the same thing. There were times where AMD was technically faster or provided a similar or sometimes superior gaming experience compared to NVIDIA. I simply mentioned specific cards where this was the case. However, they did always have some driver issue, some limitation or caveat that made them the worse option compared to NVIDIA. About the only time I didn't feel that was with the X1900XTX. It worked in Crossfire and I didn't have any issues during that time. Technically, NVIDIA got higher frame rates, but the HardOCP article at the time covered how the X1900XTX actually provided the same if not better experience by giving you smoother and more consistent gameplay. This was back before 1% lows were part of reviews and I don't think all that stuff was fully understood at the time.

The 4870X2 was faster than the NVIDIA cards of the day. Unfortunately, I had two in CrossfireX and the second card almost never did anything. Sometimes the second GPU on the first card didn't work either. Due to my connections to AMD at the time working with HardOCP, I worked with AMD on the problem. I was even sent an engineering sample of one of the cards and still couldn't get it to behave right. So I ditched that setup for NVIDIA cards. The 5970 actually worked really well and was faster than what NVIDIA had at the time unless you stepped up to multiple cards in SLI in which case NVIDIA was the faster option.

The 5970 was great by itself despite being a dual GPU card. However, it couldn't do Crossfire with dual cards because the drivers weren't right. They didn't fix this until a couple months before the next generation of cards hit. The HD 7970 and GHz editions were really competitive if not faster than the NVIDIA cards of the day but again, Crossfire limitations reared their ugly head. You couldn't do 7680x1600 in Eyefinity as Crossfire's connection lacked the bandwidth to do that. Using a single monitor dual cards in Crossfire were great. Switch to Eyefinity and you were boned. Again, I worked with AMD and they never admitted that to me but went down a deep rabbit hole to figure that out. As I had 3x Dell 3007WFP-HC's as my monitor setup at the time, I ditched AMD once again. Though I kept one card for my girlfriend's PC and that thing served admirably.

In the modern era, I considered the 6900XTX or whatever it was called but compared to the 3090, it just didn't perform. Slower and it throated infected elephant dick at ray tracing which was a no go given how much Cyberpunk 2077 I was playing at the time. There was no way I was spending that kind of money on a card that wasn't really that much better than my existing RTX 2080 Ti in that game. I was tempted given the price and seemingly better availability over the 3090, but I'm glad I held out for the latter. It's pretty much the same story but worse with the 7900XTX. As good as a 4080 Super but far from the 4090 and still sucks at ray tracing. Again, DLSS is far better than FSR so that's a pretty big deal as far as I'm concerned. Even without fake frames.
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I don't agree with:

The X1900XT's were great, the 4870X2 was the fastest card of its day. The 5970 was great as was the Radeon HD7970 and HD7970GHz editions.
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For me they were never an option when I was looking. I went for 7900GTX over X1900XT at the time and was very happy with it.
For X2 I am pretty sure crossfire issues persisted. I wasn't even convinced on SLi until I believe GTX 780 or something when first time I tried it and after GTX 980 gave up on SLi altogether.
For the others I am pretty sure for my use cases at the point in time, all those cards were not even part of the shortlist to buy.
I agree with rest of your assessments.
 
cjcox said:
So, you can get a 4090 at MSRP today?

Nvidia isn't AMD. While we can all jump up and down about some supply left of 3060 cards, Nvidia indicates they don't want a "last gen market" of NiB cards out there. Implementation of that left to Nvidia.
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I didn’t say 5090 though I said 50 series and I said “may”
 
KickAssCop said:
So in my neck of the woods RTX 5080s are on average 1500-2200$. RTX 5090 are being sold for anywhere from 3300 - 6000$. Still can't find one in stock. Wtf is this crap? A 4090 is selling for on average 3500-4500$. It is ridiculous. Used 4090 for 2200-2500$ if you are lucky.
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Probably been asked a million times...what country are you in? And are you kicking ass copping? lol
 
KickAssCop said:
UAE
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I want a pic of your police cruiser 🙂.
 
RESTOCK AT BEST BUY TODAY. The morning drop may be over but I'd expect another drop later today.
 
KickAssCop said:
Right now I just need a 5090 dammit!
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You and Dan are going to be out of luck on a 5090 unless you pay a scalper for one or the AI market falls apart. As long as Nvidia can make more selling AI hardware the 5090 will be vaporware with just a trickle coming out to keep people from saying it doesn't exist. 5080 and down should be easier to get but even then I expect deliveries to stay weak even on them.
 
My 1984 Mustang LX 5.0 droptop didn't cost much more than what some people are paying for these video cards.
 
crazycrave said:
My 1984 Mustang LX 5.0 droptop didn't cost much more than what some people are paying for these video cards.
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And here we are, 40 years later. Imagine things costing more.

I hear my grandpa talking about his 1932 Roadster that he paid $450 for.
 
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