What is special about linux

[Stellar]

I'll make a bet against someone.... Anyone :!

Hows this.... I'll bet that if you built a new box todya. Install Linux on one partition, then install windows on another. I'll bet that Linux has BETTER out of the box hardare support then windows. I'm talking about out of the box support, not third party. Just with the hardware drivers that come native with the OS.

Anybody want to take up that bet?

That's a small advantage at the cost of a much bigger disadvantage.

This kind of design scheme means each OEM has to release documentation to the kernel developers so that they can write embedded drivers, and this leads to a lag in the time between hardware release and kernel hardware support, and in practice also means support for less hardware features, and at worst, no support at all because it is at the OEM's discretion to give what data to which developers, if at all.

Personally I feel the cost of having to install third party drivers is well worth having full-featured hardware support for my os direct from the OEM at the time I purchase the hardware.

..and in actuality, I (and most of you I'm sure), end up installing closed source binary drivers for half of my hardware on my Linux distro anyway.

 

[RancidWAnnaRIot]

People should know how the internal combustion engine works, how brake systems and electrical systems work in automobiles, how refridgerators keep things cool, how computer hardware works, how OSes work, etc.. etc..

but hey that is just me, I know I am asking to much... anyways linux is special because the user can control as little or as much as possible without restrictions and its free.

you're a perfect example of the arrogance i was talking about.. everyone is lazy and stupid?

I'm sure i know much more about electrical systems than you do.. so i could very well call you lazy and stupid (but i won't.. because who cares if you don't know)... why should i care how my fridge works.. so long as it works? you cannot learn everything.. it's impossible.. people jsut don't hve the time.. or don't care

really.. do you really expect people to know all of that??

in that case.. can you explain to me how CMOS and dynamic logic paracitics affect the operation of the transistors in your computer? those transistorrs let you run linux right?? you should know then? right?

if everyone had to learn everything.. humanity would never progress...

the part the amazes me most about your post.. is the fact that you're being seirous about what you posted

 

[As I Lay Dying]

About the learning curve, I think the problem is this, people who are long time windows users, and are experts, when they try linux they cant do it, its a 180 in terns of everything. They cant figure it out cause they have a bias, they are accustomed to windows. They wont recommend linux to anyone cause they themselves cant figure it out so how can a computer n00b know?? Give some one who know jack and squat about windows, linux and they pick it up much quicker then a windows aficionado.

I noticed this with my own personal experience with myself and people around me. Long time windows users have a greater learning curve then those who are not. There is also a mind set when windows users need an application on linux, they try to surf the net, find an app, and compile it, get upset they can find the library files needed to compile. They don't check their repos, they try to find an executable and double click. They become frustrated, and dont think its a ready desktop environment.

I would say that infact linux can replace the market of users who surf the web, check their email, write a document etc etc. The problem is people tell people linux is too hard, because they are long time windows users.

I would also like to point out windows isn't always better with hardware, for example on my primary box, windows doesn't like using my nforce 4 onboard lan, I have to use the yukon nic for stability, it took me months of tweaking, playing around (bios and trying out multiple drivers) and reformatting, to finally getting windows, to acceptable performance. Needless to say I didn't have that with linux, on this build but other times I have had windows work perfectly and I have to find ways to get my hardware working in linux.

 

[RancidWAnnaRIot]

About the learning curve, I think the problem is this, people who are long time windows users, and are experts, when they try linux they cant do it, its a 180 in terns of everything. They cant figure it out cause they have a bias, they are accustomed to windows. They wont recommend linux to anyone cause they themselves cant figure it out so how can a computer n00b know?? Give some one who know jack and squat about windows, linux and they pick it up much quicker then a windows aficionado.

I noticed this with my own personal experience with myself and people around me. Long time windows users have a greater learning curve then those who are not. There is also a mind set when windows users need an application on linux, they try to surf the net, find an app, and compile it, get upset they can find the library files needed to compile. They don't check their repos, they try to find an executable and double click. They become frustrated, and dont think its a ready desktop environment.

I would say that infact linux can replace the market of users who surf the web, check their email, write a document etc etc. The problem is people tell people linux is too hard, because they are long time windows users.

I would also like to point out windows isn't always better with hardware, for example on my primary box, windows doesn't like using my nforce 4 onboard lan, I have to use the yukon nic for stability, it took me months of tweaking, playing around (bios and trying out multiple drivers) and reformatting, to finally getting windows, to acceptable performance. Needless to say I didn't have that with linux, on this build but other times I have had windows work perfectly and I have to find ways to get my hardware working in linux.

indeed

 

[duby229]

That's a small advantage at the cost of a much bigger disadvantage.

This kind of design scheme means each OEM has to release documentation to the kernel developers so that they can write embedded drivers, and this leads to a lag in the time between hardware release and kernel hardware support, and in practice also means support for less hardware features, and at worst, no support at all because it is at the OEM's discretion to give what data to which developers, if at all.

Personally I feel the cost of having to install third party drivers is well worth having full-featured hardware support for my os direct from the OEM at the time I purchase the hardware.

..and in actuality, I (and most of you I'm sure), end up installing closed source binary drivers for half of my hardware on my Linux distro anyway.

That is your opinion.

My opinion is that I'll gladly take 10,000 people working on hardware support for my system, then 10 or 15. I know in the end I am going to have a more feature complete system then you.

Also I dont buy hardware from those vendors that dont support linux. Before I buy my hardware I check the compatibility list, and so I know that abso;utely everything I buy will work out of the box on the first try every single time..... ALL of it.

Completely stable, fully featured with no fuss. Every single time.

 

[mwarps]

Here's my take, IBTL.

Stupid people should not use Linux. Honestly, stupid people shouldn't use computers. People who are incapable from learning from their mistakes (and trust me, there are billions of them) should not use computers because their interaction with computers is rather repetitive. A person's ability to use Windows or Linux depends on their comprehension, not on the OS or the apps.

There is a certain way to do things in both Windows and Linux. Someone said Windows is 'faster' - I say they're wrong. I can spend all day proving they're wrong, and they can spend all day proving I'm wrong. Neither one is 'faster' on a whole. It all depends on the level of intellect, the level of patience, and the level of maturity of the user. Never mind that 'faster' is a completely subjective benchmark.

Some people just have an intuition for things. Some people like challenges. Some people enjoy doing work and seeing an end result of that work, even if it is as tedious as hunting for a missing semicolon. Some people want to tweak the appearance or performance of their toys. Being one of those people, I enjoy linux. I enjoy working with it, fixing it, making it work on random hardware. I think it's fun. Can I use it as a desktop OS? Sure. Would I want my grandmother to use it as a desktop OS? No.

 

[Stellar]

in the end I am going to have a more feature complete system then you.

That's funny, the box I am posting this from is more feature complete in XP than it is in Kubuntu. There is no support for my X-Fi, my ip3000 printer, my Creative Nuvo, and the kernel will not boot with my internal card reader connected.

Also I dont buy hardware from those vendors that dont support linux. Before I buy my hardware I check the compatibility list,

Is that part of the "freedom" that Linux provides?

and so I know that abso;utely everything I buy will work out of the box on the first try every single time..... ALL of it.

Completely stable, fully featured with no fuss. Every single time.

You mean you use the old open source drivers for your video card? No 3d acceleration? No XGL/AIGLX/Compiz?

 

[duby229]

That's funny, the box I am posting this from is more feature complete in XP than it is in Kubuntu. There is no support for my X-Fi, my ip3000 printer, my Creative Nuvo, and the kernel will not boot with my internal card reader connected.

If your gonna buy hardware that you know doesnt work,, then it's your own fault and nobody elses. Incompetence is in user

Is that part of the "freedom" that Linux provides?

As soon as they start releasing drivers or source, then I'll gladly buy there hardware, in the mean time it is there loss, not mine... After all, they lost a customer, and all of my hardware works. Loss 1 for them, gain 1 for me

You mean you use the old open source drivers for your video card? No 3d acceleration? No XGL/AIGLX/Compiz?

Do I really need to say it? VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia" ........ Simple really

 

[Stellar]

If your gonna buy hardware that you know doesnt work,, then it's your own fault and nobody elses. Incompetence is in user

I know it works... in Windows. I am certainly far from incompetent, I make my living as an enterprise field service tech and I've been running Suse Linux exclusively on my personal laptop since before they were taken in by Novell, as well as experimenting with all of top 10 distros on distrowatch on my multi-boot desktop rig. I like Linux - I like it enough that I, for one, don't kid myself about its shortcomings.

As soon as they start releasing drivers or source, then I'll gladly buy there hardware, in the mean time it is there loss, not mine... After all, they lost a customer, and all of my hardware works. Loss 1 for them, gain 1 for me

It is your loss because you miss out on certain superior hardware for which there is currently no Linux friendly alternative.. such as the X-Fi series of sound cards, or (until recently) the 7950GTX video cards. It is not their loss, because you are not their target demographic. Do you understand the principle of 80/20 economics?

Do I really need to say it? VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia" ........ Simple really

You implied "fully featured" "out of the box" support. xorg.conf does not come "out of the box" written as such. Splitting hairs, I know, but you made the claim.

 

[As I Lay Dying]

I think what people are failing to see is with linux there is the freedom to choose between closed source and open source drivers, I my self use the nvidia driver. I also check to see what is compatible in linux before buying hardware, now that I have switched, it saves me money and the effort of bashing my brains in, and wondering why creative wont release linux drivers, and its not a matter of releasing opensource drivers, ati and nvidia both release closed source drivers for linux. Nvidia does a much better job, as up until recently ATI released drivers that support the x1900 cards. Many people have unrealistic expectations for linux, I had some one complain that linux sucks because it didnt support direct 3d, and direct x. People expect the developers to making an operating system, reverse engineer closed source drivers, or make their own open source drivers. Seriously if you hardware doesnt work email your hardware manufacture and ask for them to develop drivers.

 

[duby229]

I know it works... in Windows. I am certainly far from incompetent, I make my living as an enterprise field service tech and I've been running Suse Linux exclusively on my personal laptop since before they were taken in by Novell, as well as experimenting with all of top 10 distros on distrowatch on my multi-boot desktop rig. I like Linux - I like it enough that I, for one, don't kid myself about its shortcomings.

It is your loss because you miss out on certain superior hardware for which there is currently no Linux friendly alternative.. such as the X-Fi series of sound cards, or (until recently) the 7950GTX video cards. It is not their loss, because you are not their target demographic. Do you understand the principle of 80/20 economics?

You implied "fully featured" "out of the box" support. xorg.conf does not come "out of the box" written as such. Splitting hairs, I know, but you made the claim.

I dont really care. It seems clear you really dont know what your talkin about. You make implications with no prove, based entirely on BIAS.

Again your opinion. If Creative wont create drivers I can use, then screw them. Not to mention even there Windows drivers totally suck. They would benefit greatly from open sourcing it. But again it's there perogative.

Again ill-informed. Do you know anyone here who just uses xorg? No most people use complete systems, including kernel, libraries window manager, and so on..... Using most Distro's that are worth it's salt it is a simple matter to install the required drivers during the initial install process. In Gentoo I simpley set VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia" That is it. Debian based distro's have a similiar method.

 

[RancidWAnnaRIot]

this is heading in an ugly direction...

i would like to just reiterate my stance.. just so people don't hate me or antying

I never said linux is no good.. i just said it's not very good for the average mom and pop user.

i use linux mainly for the free GCC compiler. I can use it to program micro controllers and shit dawg

 

[nameless_centurian]

If your gonna buy hardware that you know doesnt work,, then it's your own fault and nobody elses. Incompetence is in user

incompetence is in those who believe that the answer to the Linux hardware compatibility problem lies in the one purchasing the hardware....

Linux does NOT have as good of support on an out-of-the-box computer. it's not possible, i'm sorry to say, and it has nothing to do with the merit of the operating system.

if you can't understand why this is on your own, i'm afraid that no amount of argument will ever show you.

by the way, you're not stupid if you don't use linux.

you're only stupid if you don't do all of your coding in assembler on the original monitor program.

also, you are stupid if you don't write your own web browser. only stupid people use ready-made, intuitive things that don't take a year's practice to understand well.

 

[Stellar]

I dont really care. It seems clear you really dont know what your talkin about. You make implications with no prove, based entirely on BIAS.

Again your opinion. If Creative wont create drivers I can use, then screw them. Not to mention even there Windows drivers totally suck. They would benefit greatly from open sourcing it. But again it's there perogative.

Again ill-informed. Do you know anyone here who just uses xorg? No most people use complete systems, including kernel, libraries window manager, and so on..... Using most Distro's that are worth it's salt it is a simple matter to install the required drivers during the initial install process. In Gentoo I simpley set VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia" That is it. Debian based distro's have a similiar method.

What implications do I make with no proof? What bias do I have if I'm both a Windows and Linux user?

When I referred to xorg.conf, I referred to enabling the nvidia-glx driver package on Debian distros by editing the xorg.conf file.

 

[Tetrahedron]

okay, tell me how the modern internal combustion engine works. i want to know the exact manner in which the electronic fuel systems compute the amount of fuel and air mixed to produce the ideal combustion. please also tell me the exact method the computer uses to calculate compression inside the compression chambers. tell me the exact method the comptuer uses to retard other chambers from firing if a premature explosion occurs in another cylinder. please tell me the exact algorithm that the computer uses to detect a premature explosion.

additonally, please explain EXACTLY how the computer calculates the grade of fuel being pushed into the compression chambers in order to know when to spark. please also indicate the process which the computer goes through to send a spark, including what checks must take place beforehand and how those checks are conducted as well.


automobiles aside now...
please hand-draw a diagram showing the exact implementation of the ALU in the processor which you are using. i would also like you to report to me exactly how the ALU processes instructions once they have been decoded.

and i want you to tell me how every single part of linux works. tell me what makes the scheduler work, and the memory manager. tell me exactly what i need to do to port it to your cellular phone, which you should be able to do because in order to be qualified to use linux and the cellular phone, you must know how both of them work in painful detail.



now, all that junk aside, you're being very dishonest and i think your life would be a lot mre painful without the layers of abstraction you just take for granted in may aspects of technology.

first I said at least the basics, secondly I do NOT own an automobile or any internal combustion technology (so I guess I am exempt from that question ), but I can tell you how my bike works. finally, I think you took it a bit too far, and no where did I say I knew everything about linux or processors or computers or cell phones, but I do wish I knew more and each day I try to educate myself on learning more, so hopefully one day I can infact make you a hand-drawn diagram... =p but yeah I do also understand that life would be more painful and harder without the layers of abstraction.. but hey maybe that is what I and everyone else needs.. but hey lets go watch American Idol instead ok?

 

[Whatsisname]

You want to know something? Look at any shareware site for windows software, and you'll notice 90% of that shit is crap too, only with a $29.95 price tag.

I used Ubuntu for quite a while and I concider myself pretty savvy with the programs Linux has. And lemme tell you, 90 percent of them are crap. Since they're not made by professionals working for money.. what can you expect from freeware? They're 20 times worse than Windows freeware... it's mainly newbies making C++ programs and giving them out. Plus you always have to read howto's to install simple stuff like you would press next next finish in windows. Pathetic.
Plus it always has that "generic" feel for some reason, lots of software issues as well because almost no software is made for a specific distrubution... so you'll have coloring issues on menus for example
The only good things about it are the community, at least for ubuntu, you go on their IRC, type out your problem and get 5 people going out of their way to help you, and you pretty much always get the problems solved, no matter what it is. Second is on the same line, every problem you have can be fixed... since it's almost all open source, but for that you would need to understand how the programs code work..

 

[belmicah]

My opinion is that I'll gladly take 10,000 people working on hardware support for my system, then 10 or 15.

Is that how many people you think are working on hardware compatibility at Micro$oft? You my friend are ummmm, how do you say.......malinformed


Hey Duby...it's THEIR not THERE. Another genius with a 3rd grade education. You were waaaay off the mark about hardware compatiblility as well my friend. Fact is, hardware vendors put Linux compatibility on the back burner, because so many more people use windows.

 

[duby229]

Is that how many people you think are working on hardware compatibility at Micro$oft? You my friend are ummmm, how do you say.......malinformed


Hey Duby...it's THEIR not THERE. Another genius with a 3rd grade education. You were waaaay off the mark about hardware compatiblility as well my friend. Fact is, hardware vendors put Linux compatibility on the back burner, because so many more people use windows.

You can stop putting words in my mouth thank you very much

I never said MS. I would bet MS has at least 100, maybe a few more. Well, I never did so good on english. So what, you clearly never did so good on comprehension. We all have our short comings.

Also out of the box support for Linux is light years ahead in comparison for windows. You install windows, and more then half of the drivers dont exist. You install Linux, and if you've chosen your hardware properly ALL of it works. That is the facts deal with it.

If you want yoiur hardware to work, then choose hardware that is supported it's that simple. If you cant comprehend this, then again competence is in the user.

 

[Gatticus]

Here's my take, IBTL.



There is a certain way to do things in both Windows and Linux. Someone said Windows is 'faster' - I say they're wrong. I can spend all day proving they're wrong, and they can spend all day proving I'm wrong. Neither one is 'faster' on a whole. It all depends on the level of intellect, the level of patience, and the level of maturity of the user. Never mind that 'faster' is a completely subjective benchmark.

I'm the one who said that. I was talking about X compared to XP. It's a fact that XP is faster on the same hardware. Nothing subjective about it, it has to do with overhead. Prior to posting this I was using Linux so it has nothing to do with my preferences or "maturity" either.

 

[RancidWAnnaRIot]

I'm the one who said that. I was talking about X compared to XP. It's a fact that XP is faster on the same hardware. Nothing subjective about it, it has to do with overhead. Prior to posting this I was using Linux so it has nothing to do with my preferences or "maturity" either.

hey, you were post 100

postcount++

 

[As I Lay Dying]

Ummm....I guess which operating system is faster is in the eye of the beholder, because in Ubuntu I can run, virtual Vista, and Ubuntu 64 simultaneously with all of them doing work without slow down, I cant say the same for winodws. I find linux to be much faster on both of my machines then xp. For you wondering what I am running on my primary box, Ubuntu (dapper) with xgl and compiz, against xp, and my secondary box Xubuntu (edgy) with Beryl w/o XGL and AIGLX vs xp. Lets just say the xubuntu box beats the snot out of the windows box hands down, the primary box its alot closer since I am running faster hardware, but linux definatly is faster in my experience.

 

[Dew]

I run Linux on my fileserver. Why? Because it is the OS best suited to the job.
I needed a OS that supported an expandable filesystem, that could expand beyond 2TB. I didn't see that in the Windows world. Linux has XFS, which is what I use. I also look at linux as a learning experience. Since I eventually want to do site system/network deployments, it seemed like the logical place to start.

Even if there was a Windows solution, it probably would have cost me hundreds for the software licenses.

On my primary computer I run WindowsXP Pro. Why? Because I'm a gamer(SLI + x-fi in linux, no thanks). My media player of choice is VLC, my web browser is Firefox. Besides those, I use WinRAR, Nero, and SAV9 Corporate edition. I always have a putty session open, along with a UltraVNC session to my secondary Windows box(uTorrent, NewsBin Pro).

I could easily switch to linux full time if I wasn't a gamer, but I am.

 

[Aelfgeft]

Yeppers, which is why all the crap from the Apple cultists about Bill Gates stealing from them is ridiculous. Xerox PARC is the group responsible for the GUI.

Bill Gates/Anthony Michael Hall sums it up perfectly.

 

[hokatichenci]

Because I'm a gamer(SLI + x-fi in linux, no thanks).

I'm not gonna debate that gaming sucks in linux, but I am very certain that in more recent nvidia linux drivers they enabled SLI. X-Fi is no contest though...

 

[nameless_centurian]

but hey lets go watch American Idol instead ok?

yuck!!

how about "my name is earl?"

 

[Steve01S4]

they'll pick up windows way faster though... for example.. getting a wireless card to work in windows.. plug it in.. and most of the time.. it will work (after it automatically installs drivers and stuff)

I could never get a wireless card to work with my laptop in linux.. (things have probably changed since then)

but there are tons of situation where you need to spend horus just to something that can be done in minutes on windows.. come on.. don't lie to yourself..

I don't know that they will pick up Windows faster. I maintain a network of 3 systems in my building... two XP and one Linux running Gnome. I get calls a couple times a week about the XP systems. The only complaint I've ever had about the Linux one was when someone shut down the Windows system that had the printer connected, and people couldn't print. People bring down USB drives, load their files in OpenOffice, print, save, and do anything else you might expect, with no problems. Lots of the people who use the Linux system don't own computers, and have almost no experience with them.

Getting Wireless working in Windows? Sure, plug it in, let it install drivers, and go. Try that without Windows drivers though, and let me know how it works out for you. Linux wireless with Linux drivers? The Ubuntu LiveCD had my Intel IPW3945 working automatically on boot. I didn't have to install any drivers, and I didn't have to configure anything. Linux wireless with no Linux drivers? ndiswrapper can usualy make it work. It may not be easy, but it's a lot easier than trying to get a non-Windows driver working on Windows.

There are tons of things you can do easily in Linux that are a pain in Windows, or that you can't do at all. Do you have to know something to do them? Sure. You have to know how to use Windows to use it efficiently too. Just because Linux isn't Windows, and all you know is Windows, doesn't mean Linux is inefficient. It just means it's different. I can work very efficiently in Linux, but Windows feels really cumbersome to me.

Windows definitely has its uses, and it's not a worthless OS. I've got it installed in a dual boot setup on two of my systems, and one of those is running XP and Vista build 5728 in Parallels right now. For games, Windows is obviously the platform you need. On the other hand, for those who have spent enough time in a UNIX environment, Linux can be much more useful than Windows ever could.

 

[duby229]

I don't know that they will pick up Windows faster. I maintain a network of 3 systems in my building... two XP and one Linux running Gnome. I get calls a couple times a week about the XP systems. The only complaint I've ever had about the Linux one was when someone shut down the Windows system that had the printer connected, and people couldn't print. People bring down USB drives, load their files in OpenOffice, print, save, and do anything else you might expect, with no problems. Lots of the people who use the Linux system don't own computers, and have almost no experience with them.

Getting Wireless working in Windows? Sure, plug it in, let it install drivers, and go. Try that without Windows drivers though, and let me know how it works out for you. Linux wireless with Linux drivers? The Ubuntu LiveCD had my Intel IPW3945 working automatically on boot. I didn't have to install any drivers, and I didn't have to configure anything. Linux wireless with no Linux drivers? ndiswrapper can usualy make it work. It may not be easy, but it's a lot easier than trying to get a non-Windows driver working on Windows.

There are tons of things you can do easily in Linux that are a pain in Windows, or that you can't do at all. Do you have to know something to do them? Sure. You have to know how to use Windows to use it efficiently too. Just because Linux isn't Windows, and all you know is Windows, doesn't mean Linux is inefficient. It just means it's different. I can work very efficiently in Linux, but Windows feels really cumbersome to me.

Windows definitely has its uses, and it's not a worthless OS. I've got it installed in a dual boot setup on two of my systems, and one of those is running XP and Vista build 5728 in Parallels right now. For games, Windows is obviously the platform you need. On the other hand, for those who have spent enough time in a UNIX environment, Linux can be much more useful than Windows ever could.

Said it much better then I could... Straight to the piont, and exactly true.

 

[ThreeDee]

..ditto , too , as well ...also


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[RancidWAnnaRIot]

I don't know that they will pick up Windows faster. I maintain a network of 3 systems in my building... two XP and one Linux running Gnome. I get calls a couple times a week about the XP systems. The only complaint I've ever had about the Linux one was when someone shut down the Windows system that had the printer connected, and people couldn't print. People bring down USB drives, load their files in OpenOffice, print, save, and do anything else you might expect, with no problems. Lots of the people who use the Linux system don't own computers, and have almost no experience with them.

Getting Wireless working in Windows? Sure, plug it in, let it install drivers, and go. Try that without Windows drivers though, and let me know how it works out for you. Linux wireless with Linux drivers? The Ubuntu LiveCD had my Intel IPW3945 working automatically on boot. I didn't have to install any drivers, and I didn't have to configure anything. Linux wireless with no Linux drivers? ndiswrapper can usualy make it work. It may not be easy, but it's a lot easier than trying to get a non-Windows driver working on Windows.

There are tons of things you can do easily in Linux that are a pain in Windows, or that you can't do at all. Do you have to know something to do them? Sure. You have to know how to use Windows to use it efficiently too. Just because Linux isn't Windows, and all you know is Windows, doesn't mean Linux is inefficient. It just means it's different. I can work very efficiently in Linux, but Windows feels really cumbersome to me.

Windows definitely has its uses, and it's not a worthless OS. I've got it installed in a dual boot setup on two of my systems, and one of those is running XP and Vista build 5728 in Parallels right now. For games, Windows is obviously the platform you need. On the other hand, for those who have spent enough time in a UNIX environment, Linux can be much more useful than Windows ever could.

i can tell you didn't read all my posts...

I do use linux you know...

 

[XOR != OR]

Yikes, quite a few zealots in lamb's clothing in here.

Use whatever tool fits the job; Be that windows or linux or bsd ( or mac ). For most behind the scenes purposes, I feel that linux and OSS tools do the best job ( file sharing, web serving, email server and voip server ). For front line applications, windows is the obvious choice given that most proprietary software has no translation to OSS.

 

[As I Lay Dying]

Umm SLI can be enabled in linux, but compared to the windows features, it lacks, as there is no twin view, or multiple monitor support. Granted I game as well but when ever I game I just boot into windows.

 

[Steve01S4]

Umm SLI can be enabled in linux, but compared to the windows features, it lacks, as there is no twin view, or multiple monitor support. Granted I game as well but when ever I game I just boot into windows.

Twinview and multiple monitor support work fine in Linux. I've been running that way for a long time. Now, if you mean Twinview with SLI, last time I checked, that didn't work in Windows either. If they've finally enabled it, I'd love to hear about it. I was planning a new gaming machine, and the dual head/SLI thing just wasn't going to work.

 

[As I Lay Dying]

Twinview and multiple monitor support work fine in Linux. I've been running that way for a long time. Now, if you mean Twinview with SLI, last time I checked, that didn't work in Windows either. If they've finally enabled it, I'd love to hear about it. I was planning a new gaming machine, and the dual head/SLI thing just wasn't going to work.

I ment in SLI twinview and multiple monitors is borked, lol I also run twinview in linux. Hmm it seems it hasnt I just read the article wrong on the linux sli drivers, it seems that the forceware drivers lack some of the same options as windows users, but it seems neither have sli and dual head support.

 

[Gatticus]

hey, you were post 100

postcount++

Oooh, now I've got "Gawd" status.

 

[GreNME]

Yikes, quite a few zealots in lamb's clothing in here.

Use whatever tool fits the job; Be that windows or linux or bsd ( or mac ). For most behind the scenes purposes, I feel that linux and OSS tools do the best job ( file sharing, web serving, email server and voip server ). For front line applications, windows is the obvious choice given that most proprietary software has no translation to OSS.

Agreement ++

Use what you want, and (everyone) come to grips with the reality that not everyone uses a computer like you do.

I loves me some OSS software that has matured into strong and stable product (Firefox, Filezilla, NMap, etc.). However, IT cannot live on OSS (or proprietary software) alone.

 

[RancidWAnnaRIot]

I'm the best OS

 

[mwarps]

I'm the one who said that. I was talking about X compared to XP. It's a fact that XP is faster on the same hardware. Nothing subjective about it, it has to do with overhead. Prior to posting this I was using Linux so it has nothing to do with my preferences or "maturity" either.

My point proven. Thanks for playing.

The prosecution rests.

And by the way, in case you forgot what you were saying (which you did), you were talking about Gnome, not X.

 

[BinarySynapse]

You can stop putting words in my mouth thank you very much

I never said MS. I would bet MS has at least 100, maybe a few more. Well, I never did so good on english. So what, you clearly never did so good on comprehension. We all have our short comings.

Also out of the box support for Linux is light years ahead in comparison for windows. You install windows, and more then half of the drivers dont exist. You install Linux, and if you've chosen your hardware properly ALL of it works. That is the facts deal with it.

If you want yoiur hardware to work, then choose hardware that is supported it's that simple. If you cant comprehend this, then again competence is in the user.

That can also be said of Windows as well, Buy hardware that has drivers for it "in the box". No problems.

 

[duby229]

That can also be said of Windows as well, Buy hardware that has drivers for it "in the box". No problems.

Sure if you want your hardware to be 6 years old. The drivers that are included in the box, are all 6 years old, and even then most hardware that old isnt supported anyway..... Good luck with that.

 

[BinarySynapse]

Sure if you want your hardware to be 6 years old. The drivers that are included in the box, are all 6 years old, and even then most hardware that old isnt supported anyway..... Good luck with that.

Hmm, that's funny, SP2 came with a shitload of drivers that are hmm. not 6 years old. But even then, how fucking hard is it to pop in a disk or a disc and run a setup routine that takes less tham 2 minutes? I've had to installl drivers on various linux boxes and it's a bit more painful.