What Do You Want from Windows 8?

mortonP

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An even better way of integrating gaming. A mode that turns off everything but the essentials needed for gaming.

+1

I made my own .bat file that does that and some psuedo-guru in the OS forum implied I am stupid for using it. Apparently Win7 is lean and mean already so doesn't need such an option. ;)
 

supergrover

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Besides some good suggestions so far:
- better backup capabilities (ie. incremental/differential)
- a graphical live boot dvd with recovery options and troubleshooting utilities (I know there are some capabilities now, but flesh them out in a graphical interface)
- sell it to me via a write-protected USB key
- native 7z and pdf
 

Crosshairs

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id like to see the msconfig folder go away still to many apps can get installed and i know how to remove them but it should be harder for anything at all to install there ( spyware) i remove it ALL the time from there first .Thats prolly where windows is slow to boot from to with all that crunk in there pre loooooooading.....:rolleyes:

you have UAC turned of don't you..

I have it turned off also, but its purpose is to help stop that crap....:D
 
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Better multi-monitor support like nearly everyone has said.

Native Blu Ray if possible.

Don't release a crap O/S every damn 2 years for starters. Vista comes out, 'bitch/complain festival', so quick fix that with Win7, and just a few years later comes 8? Does this remind anyone else of EXPENSIVE/'JUNK' video games that require 6,000 patches on release day? What's next? Windows 8-2.5 (for a steal price of $120 because they only changed 3 features from 7, or 8 for that matter)

Might be good, might be a waste of money. Time will tell, but until [H] does their thing; my money is staying in my wallet.

Except XP -> Vista Microsoft has always followed a similar upgrade timeline
 

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Better SSD integration/recognition. Page file, Hibernate file, restore points, crash dumps should all be moved off an SSD if possible (or eliminated entirely). Especially if it holds true that the next generation flash is going to have even fewer write cycles.

Portable installation for all programs standard. Installation into the registry needs to die.

As mentioned, better mutli monitor support. I have 2 24" and a 42" display connected, but windows wants to treat them all as the same physical sized display, I'd like to be able to specify the physical size of the display. I'd like to be able to set different backgrounds on each monitor (probably possible with some modification on xp/7, but I'd like it included).
 

tacosareveryyummy

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Don't care. I'm never upgrading from Windows 7. Windows 7 is the greatest operating system ever. Windows 8 will use to much of your ram, crash all the time, and give you .0000000001% less fps. It sucks.


Native bluray play back would be cool.
 

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I don't see how it can get better than Win 7, except for pure 64-bit support. I think further cloud integration and backup snapshots would be nice. I always imagined having a roaming profile that would enable you to access any program or document on your PC from any other PC. Sort of like steam I guess.
 

hughJ

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Less limitations for repair/upgrade installs. Should be able to repair/upgrade from boot CD. Should be able to repair install to/from any service pack level. (Basically do what you could do with XP)

Ability to perform SFC from bootable OS media.

Ability to manually extract and restore registries from restore points from recovery console (like you could in XP.)

Some sort of safe mode-like alternate mini-OS that can be booted into to perform repairs, virus scans, etc that doesn't rely on any of the system files or registry from the full OS. Maybe like the recovery console, but with a GUI.
 
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Give me back the classic windows skin. I *HATE* the silly Vista/7 UI. It looks like a mac! If I wanted a mac, I would give myself a lobotomy so that I would spend thousands of dollars more for less machine that has a toylike UI. I don't want that. So give me back the classic windows skin, Microsoft.
 
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Less limitations for repair/upgrade installs. Should be able to repair/upgrade from boot CD. Should be able to repair install to/from any service pack level. (Basically do what you could do with XP)
Yes, that too. Microsoft hasn't learned that its startup repair isn't really worth much. And sometimes we have to put a drive from one box into another because the mobo died, and no, buying a new license isn't going to fly.
 

mortonP

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I don't see how it can get better than Win 7, except for pure 64-bit support. I think further cloud integration and backup snapshots would be nice. I always imagined having a roaming profile that would enable you to access any program or document on your PC from any other PC. Sort of like steam I guess.

Oh, you will get what you wish for in the cloud but that is something I do not want so it better be opt in and not opt out.
 

phide

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- Get rid of the registry
- Implement application bundles
- Multi-desktop
- Built-in virtualization client
- Get rid of the fucking registry
- Implement a "legacy" Start menu option
 

mortonP

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Give me back the classic windows skin. I *HATE* the silly Vista/7 UI. It looks like a mac! If I wanted a mac, I would give myself a lobotomy so that I would spend thousands of dollars more for less machine that has a toylike UI. I don't want that. So give me back the classic windows skin, Microsoft.

Turn off themes and you will have a similar look to the classic Win98 look. Personally, I think that look is fugly but each to their own.
 

Azazel90x

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You know, Windows 7 is mighty fine as it is, but I would like to see Hardware manafacturers coming out with better laptops/tablets. Using cutting edge technology, Why cant the PC manafacturers switch to Li-Po batteries instead of sticking with the old li-ion batterys, use higher resolution displays, why cant they actually RISK something instead of sticking with the old tried and true method? If they dont change, my next laptop will be a macbook, at least apple is constantly improving. (though i will most likely put windows 7 on it, and use it as my default os lol)
 

mortonP

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- Get rid of the registry
- Implement application bundles
- Multi-desktop
- Built-in virtualization client
- Get rid of the fucking registry
- Implement a "legacy" Start menu option

I told a Microsoft VIP that the registry was a bad idea and he told me to create my own OS so I don't think the registry is going anywhere soon.
 

heatlesssun

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You know, Windows 7 is mighty fine as it is, but I would like to see Hardware manafacturers coming out with better laptops/tablets. Using cutting edge technology, Why cant the PC manafacturers switch to Li-Po batteries instead of sticking with the old li-ion batterys, use higher resolution displays, why cant they actually RISK something instead of sticking with the old tried and true method? If they dont change, my next laptop will be a macbook, at least apple is constantly improving. (though i will most likely put windows 7 on it, and use it as my default os lol)

They are constantly improving and will continue to do so. The W100 is an example of something that Apple would never do and there's more to follow, the EP121 will be intresting as well.
 

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You know, Windows 7 is mighty fine as it is, but I would like to see Hardware manafacturers coming out with better laptops/tablets. Using cutting edge technology, Why cant the PC manafacturers switch to Li-Po batteries instead of sticking with the old li-ion batterys, use higher resolution displays, why cant they actually RISK something instead of sticking with the old tried and true method? If they dont change, my next laptop will be a macbook, at least apple is constantly improving. (though i will most likely put windows 7 on it, and use it as my default os lol)

It's called money. ;)

And get ready to lose maybe 25-40% of your battery life if you choose to use Windows 7 as your primary OS on that MacBook whatever. Such is the price of "improvement." :D
 

TheBlueChanell

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I agree with a lot of what I've read in here. I'd like one SKU or at least one Home and one Pro/Business. Native and only 64bit. The coveted new file system and maybe a better WinPE.

Better mobile solutions. Apple really nailed the mobile experience with newest MacBook's. Working on a Mac on the go is far more intuitive and user friendly than any Windows 7 laptop I've used.
 

Azazel90x

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It's called money. ;)

And get ready to lose maybe 25-40% of your battery life if you choose to use Windows 7 as your primary OS on that MacBook whatever. Such is the price of "improvement." :D

Oh damn, that's quite a bit of battery life...I guess ill stick to OSX then.

Apple seems to be doing just fine cranking out top of the line hardware, I dont think a single hardware company can touch Apple in terms of revenue, why cant they see that what they are doing is failing, and they need to innovate? Instead of playing catchup all the time, why not make something so unique and useful that you are ahead of the game?
 

TheBlueChanell

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I agree with a lot of what I've read in here. I'd like one SKU or at least one Home and one Pro/Business. Native and only 64bit. The coveted new file system and maybe a better WinPE.

Better mobile solutions. Apple really nailed the mobile experience with newest MacBook's. Working on a Mac on the go is far more intuitive and user friendly than any Windows 7 laptop I've used.

No Edit FTL. Zune as the default media player. If they're pushing Zune for WinPho7, Xbox and Win 7 there's no reason not to ditch WMP and focus on making Zune better than it already is.
 

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1. DON'T get rid of the registry. completely silly idea that I get sick of hearing. Nobody says get rid of MySQL, etc. and use text files so stop already.
2. WDDM 2.0 - more fine grained multitasking of GPUs. Fix whatever is necessary so Alt-Tab ALWAYS works without crashing the game/app, etc.
3. More Aero glass in apps. I have an app that makes cmd/powershell all aero glass, but because it's a hack I don't get glowing text, so the text doesn't look as good as it should.
4. 64-bit ASLR to improve security (even x64 Windows uses 32-bit ASLR, a security feature that randomizes memory layout, as of now.)
5. native .MKV, flac, etc. fix codecs so you can get VC-1/DTS/etc. in .TS and other non-WMV MS default containers. Fix WMP so you can seek back and forth in non-MS default container videos like .MKV vids.
6. Arbitrary metadata tagging for files, with searching, supported in explorer.
7. x64 only, 32-bit should die with Windows 7.
 

phide

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I told a Microsoft VIP that the registry was a bad idea and he told me to create my own OS so I don't think the registry is going anywhere soon.
I can understand why it wouldn't be removed (for legacy support), but what I don't understand is why Microsoft isn't taking even the smallest steps to render it obsolete. Obviously it's a point of frustration for users, so why dismiss user feedback about it? Why not come up with a better solution?

It's a bit like mouse acceleration in OS X. A lot of people don't want it. Will Apple ever allow users to disable it? Nope. It's just a weird, incomprehensible form of stubbornness.
 

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I'm not sure what specifically they can do to accomplish it, but I'd like more efficient power consumption in Win8. Take a laptop, hackintosh it. Battery lasts longer than it would under Win7. Likewise, a MBP lasts far, far shorter running Win7 than OSX.
 

ChairmanMiau

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Let's see:
- Immediate application of environment variables. No, I don't want to restart my computer or kill all instances of cmd.exe and explorer.exe just to apply an env var. This has been a problem forever.
- I never want to see "you must restart your computer for your changes to take effect".
- ext2, 3, 4 support. Yes, really.
- A way to get rid of more annoying wastes of screen real-estate, like that "organize" bar in Explorer.
- Get rid of the horrible new bootloader and fire the morons who designed it.
- Forget the registry. Apart from being exploitable and impossible to edit in its raw state, traversing large data structures one-after-the-other is slow in comparison to parsing a little configuration file.
- A package manager, perhaps?
- A real collection of shell tools (and not absurd like Powershell).
- Customizability, like a method of skinning, or an actual way to replace the window manager that isn't an error-prone hack.
- Don't disable compositing if I don't want to use that Aero shitheap
- A more sane way to change file ownership and permissions.
- Multiple desktops, yeah?
- Don't shit yourself when you discover another OS is installed elsewhere. Thanks.
and plenty more!

We'll never see the day, though...
 

Skoobs

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a built in game console (like steam, but not steam)

better multi-monitor support (make it so that you can do that half-screen thing even when using two monitors. maybe the best way would be to add a "portal" that moves your mouse from one desktop to another)

and a built-in BitLord-like application so we can pirate all of microsoft's other software. (after we pirate 8)
 

srangara

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Gestures. I want to be able to shake my monitor and have the icons shuffle.

A little more seriously--what most people have said about native Blu-ray, Media Center, and Multi-monitor. There are just some things that shouldn't still be hard to carry out at the 'application' level.
 

phide

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1. DON'T get rid of the registry. completely silly idea that I get sick of hearing. Nobody says get rid of MySQL, etc. and use text files so stop already.
The Windows registry is a hierarchical database. SQL databases are relational.

Now, OS X also uses hierarchical databases, but the key difference is that they're segmented. As such, its databases (plists) don't suffer from the same type of problems as the registry, at least not in ordinary circumstances.

People have been bitching about the registry for years. It's not like we're bitching for no reason — we're bitching because there are actually serious problems with the system.
 

devil22

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The Windows registry is a hierarchical database. SQL databases are relational.

Now, OS X also uses hierarchical databases, but the key difference is that they're segmented. As such, its databases (plists) don't suffer from the same type of problems as the registry, at least not in ordinary circumstances.

People have been bitching about the registry for years. It's not like we're bitching for no reason — we're bitching because there are actually serious problems with the system.

What serious problems? Sorry, and I know you're going to scream bloody murder at this, but every time I picture someone bitching about the registry, I picture them trying to uninstall say the 3dsmax or photoshop trial, and reinstall it, and it won't allow it, and them getting pissed. Other than that, I don't notice the registry, I don't know anyone who does, and it does it's job and stays out of the way. MS tried .ini files back in Windows 3.1 and it was a mess and they made the registry to FIX that broken system, going back to it would simply be daft. Also nobody forces apps/games to use the registry, so if you want to complain complain to the developers of your apps.
 

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Package manager to replace "Add/Remove Programs". Allow me to update all my programs through one simple interface. Allow me to search for new programs to install. Needless to go into specifics, Microsoft need only look at Ubuntu or how popular browsers handle 3rd party extensions (Firefox/Chrome/Safari). Seamless and simplicity is key.
 

Lightworker

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Package manager to replace "Add/Remove Programs". Allow me to update all my programs through one simple interface. Allow me to search for new programs to install. Needless to go into specifics, Microsoft need only look at Ubuntu or how popular browsers handle 3rd party extensions (Firefox/Chrome/Safari). Seamless and simplicity is key.

This right here. There is no reason each app needs it's own updater service ninja running in the background...
 

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-much better startup repair. and include it in the F8 boot options without having to boot from the OS DVD
-add a full transparent/glass theme to the color options in Window Color and Appearance
-more screensavers and a better 3D text screensaver with more options and better graphics
-tried to use the games folder since Vista but it’s not customizable and takes a long time to load
-bring back Links, the cute cat in the old office suite o_O
-the my documents folder is useless now because all games and apps throw their stuff in it, do something so my documents can actually be for my documents
-better windows experience index
-better disk management tool with features like resize, merge and a wizard.
-more obvious way to reach and turnoff the startup items for the average user. they worked a lot to improve the OS performance but a lot of people have tons of useless startup items that kills the OS speed.
-more cats in the account picture gallery and takeout that squirrel like Paris Hilton dog
built-in lite weight dictionary that doesn’t have to be online based, I’m still using a 15MB free one that was programmed in 1995
 

Synful Serenity

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I think it's accurate about recent releases being spaced roughly 5 years apart, if you look past the marketing. The first commercially relevant release Windows 3.0 came out in 1990, then Windows 3.1 in 1992, but that was an incremental upgrade, it wasn't a major revision until Windows 95. Windows 98 was really Windows 4.1 (you could even check at the prompt or Control Panel) and analogous to what 3.1 was to 3.0. Windows 2000 was 5 years later, but that was never intended for consumers, and Windows ME, though released the same year, wasn't much of a revision, so the next real upgrade was XP in 2001, which was an extra year longer. Then followed by Vista in 2007, so another 6 years, maybe both could have made 5 years if it wasn't for delays. Of course, Vista flopped so spectacularly that Windows 7 came to the rescue barely 2 years later!

So you have:
Windows 3.0 - 1990
Windows 95 (4.0) 1995
Windows XP (5.0) 2001
Windows Vista (6.0) 2007
Windows 7 - 2009

So it wasn't always exactly 5 years, but the point is it used to be major releases would be at least that long until Vista bombed, but now that Microsoft fixed that so quickly with the stable and successful Windows 7, it seems kinda premature that they ready another replacement so soon, especially since we're all still using NTFS which is nearing 20 years old.
 

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I want to see Microsoft embrace .NET and with it a more consistent design aesthetic (Via WPF). Relegating native code to a compatibility layer would do wonders for security and could really improve .NET performance.

As you might have guess I'm a software developer and my speciality is .NET ;).

P.S. The reason they don't kill the registry is that it would kill 80% of Windows Applications (although none of mine, my settings are stored in %appdata%), and they'd need to recode a large amount of legacy code in the OS.
 

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Give me a command window with capabilities similar to PuTTY and a real shell to work in with useful commands (hint: everything Unix has.)
 
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