Wasabi Mango 43" 4K 120hz

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  1. Sancus

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    • Panel : AH-IPS LED
    • Screen size : 43" (108cm ) 16 :9
    • Resolution : 3840 X 2160 ( 4K UHD )
    • Display colors : 1.07B Colors, 10bit
    • Pixel pitch : 0.2451mm x 0.2451mm
    • Brightness : 400cd / m²
    • DCR : 1,000,000 : 1
    • Contrast ratio : 1,200 : 1
    • Response time : 5ms
    • Viewing angle : 178 (H) / 178 (V)
    • Refresh Rate : 120Hz ( DP ) / 60Hz ( HDMI )
    • Input Terminal : DP1.4 X 2 / HDMI2.0 X 3 / SERVICE USB / OPICAL
    • Speaker : 10 W + 10 W
    • Input voltage : 100-240V ~50/60Hz
    • Including packaging weight : 14.5kg
    • Size with stand : 976mm(W) x 626mm(H) x 250mm(D)
    • VESA specifications : 200x 200

    Seems like the Koreans have put a DP1.4 chip in a TV(?) panel. Only available on ebay obviously. $1400 is a reasonable price though.

    Not sure how much interest there'll be in this but I figured it deserved its own thread. There is also a short video showing it doing 120hz.

    I'm sure the panel is nothing special, but at this price and size it is a legitimate option if you really want 4K 120hz but don't care too much about HDR quality.
     
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  2. Chief Blur Buster

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    Refresh rate: The video is legit -- definitely correct 120Hz

    Resolution of refresh rate: Needs to be confirmed. Is it truly 4K? If so, fantastique!

    Many 4K TVs can do 1080p 120Hz, including the LG 2017 OLED HDTVs. Need to be absolutely, absolutely sure that it's 120Hz at the full 4K. The DPI scaling and the resolution of the video, makes it impossible to judge resolution. It's certainly feasible to do 120Hz on many 4K panels at full resolution if appropriate electronics allow
     
  3. Chief Blur Buster

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    I just looked closer at the eBay images:

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    The eBay artwork shows that this is certainly worth investigating;

    2 DisplayPorts in parallel is the same technique as the Zisworks 4K120 display.

    This may indeed be legit.
    Established seller selling almost 10K items, many high-ticket computer gaming accessories.

    But someone gotta be the guinea pig, eh?
     
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    According to the ebay listing, both DP are 1.4, so it should be able to do 120hz with only cable. At least in SDR mode. In HDR mode, it's down to whether they managed to use DSC or not, which the upcoming Asus PG27UQ does not for example so it's limited to 4:2:2 chroma at >98hz HDR.

    The video is almost certainly in SDR mode.
     
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    If it doesn't say it has DP 1.4 ports on it, then it won't do 120hz, it's just a regular "120hz TV". I don't think they make any other models with DP1.4 ports yet.

    Confusing branding is par for the course with generic Korean/Chinese/Taiwanese/etc manufacturers.
     
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    Sorry yep deleted my post, appears to be from a 2016 model.
     
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    To be fair, they are first to market, and don't require you to "build" anything :D Also, it sounds like acquiring DP 1.4 chips is expensive based on a comment in the other thread that a minimum order for them is $1M.

    I'm sure price will come down as more manufacturers switch to DP1.4 for their displays, volume goes up, etc. Lets not forget that the first consumer 4K 60hz MST displays with all their flaws cost >$3500.
     
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    This is the only 120Hz 4K display for sale that isn't a engineering sample or build-your-own Lego set.

    I'd gladly pay for that, but I'm not in a place in my life where I can afford this right now...
     
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    4k 120hz is greatly appreciated and I do not want to discourage any manufacture from raising the bar to that....and i certainly remember the dark days of paying $$$$$$$ for crap low res 60hz TN LCDs waaaay back in 2004.

    However, $1,400 for something that may not have Overdrive, or you may not like and want to return or have to ship back due to defect....is gonna cost a FORTUNE to send back to Korea.

    Its one thing when Korean displays were a couple hundred bucks....but $1,400 is a lot of money

    You would GLADLY pay $1,388, but you cannot afford to.... is anybody else seeing the irony with this reply to my original post??? I mean I am complaining that its not affordable for a generic Korean display, but your arguing that it is affordable but you can't afford it lmao
     
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    The picture of the input ports show the DP (DP1 and DP2) are labelled 1.4
     
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    I can afford a big-mac right now, but I would not gladly pay for one: I don't like them and I don't see the value.

    On the flip side, I I can't afford an apple watch: but even if I could, I wouldn't buy it. I simply don't see the value.

    Being able to afford something is not a determining factor as to its value.
     
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    Ouch at 1400 I'm just not willing to take the gamble on it. Pretty sure as sellers list it then it will slowly start to go down in price though.
     
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    I don't like Big Macs either and would not eat one even if given to me for free, because I value my colon too much.

    The apple watch is over priced trendy trash

    You could come up with the $1,388 if you really wanted to, but your not because you know the value is not there @ $1,388.

    Personally, I think they are asking $389 too much. A $999 price point would be tempting
     
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    On the one hand, $1400 for first-to-market isn't atrocious. It should come down with more competition to come one day.

    On the other hand, Korean monitors like this were usually a good value compared to similar spec competitors.


    So I have no idea where prices will be once more join in. Eventually it has no go lower, right?
     
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    It's free shipping, so it's probably a lot of high fees built into the price. Shipping large televisions from overseas have traditionally been super expensive, unless they are sent by container ship.

    It has 10-bit and HDR support, and it is an IPS panel. IPS panels are typically less laggy than VA panels (most HDTVs), so it will be very interesting to see test results on these.

    -- I am very curious what the Korean domestic pricing is on these -- probably a lot less.
    -- I wonder if these support higher refresh rates at lower resolution, e.g. 1080p at 240Hz

    All sources have confirmed that this is true 120Hz 4K, so kudos to more manufacturers recognizing 4K 120Hz opportunities! No blur-reduction mode though, but one could theoretically be hacked-in with a modified backlight controller (ala ZisWorks style add-in). Even better if the display supports custom refresh rates (e.g. 96Hz) with large blanking intervals.
     
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    I just wish that they were able to get a G-Sync option in.

    I realize that it's mostly not feasible :)
     
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    Or at least Freesync (while we pray NVDA supports it one day).
     
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    What magic cable does 4k 120hz? DP starts sparkling at 3m 1440p 120hz, let alone 144hz.

    So you need a video card that knows how to handle 1 display 2 DP's?
     
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    The Zisworks 4K 120Hz display uses two parallel DisplayPort connections.

    There is conflicting information whether or not you need 1 or 2 cables, but it has 2 DisplayPorts and clearly displays this suggestive graphic I posted above.

    Also, it advertises a side-by-side PIP system (Picture-In-Picture), so one could theoretically treat it as simply diplaying two 1920x2160 images at 120Hz side-by-side, and -- voila -- 4K 120Hz. So it's possible at the chipset level (motherboard, TCON, etc) that the PIP feature has been commandeered as a method of doing 4K 120Hz.

    That'd be roughly similar to the way Zisworks does it, two separate cables tiling 1920x2160 side-by-side simultaneously. Zis told me he is is intensely curious what chips this display is using.

    Regardless of that, I'm comfortable declaring the "120Hz at 4K" part legit.

    Obviously, the devil is in the details (cable count? GPU support? etc).
     
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    Finally if my Korean 40" 404K Ever dies this would make a good upgrade, pair it with a next gen GPU and you're golden. Freesync would be a nice to seal the deal.
     
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    I'd just wait for hdmi 2.1 in 2019+
    It does all of that in its specs including Variable Refresh Rate.

    An edge lit IPS, with what peak brightness and uniformity, and with what black depth and contrast is being called "HDR" ?

    VA would do much better for HDR and media/gaming in general .. High Dynamic RANGE.. ips is lucky to get over 900:1 contrast and .13 black depth. HDR premium label requires at least 1000nit peak and .05 black depth (HDR movies are mastered at 4000nit). A gaming VA can do up to 3000:1 and triple the black depth of ips and tn or better. FALD would probably improve both by 30% or more and would avoid the issues edge lit exacerbates. A HDMI 2.1 120hz 4k OLED tv with low latency and VRR would trump everything pretty much. The 2018 LG OLEDs can do 120hz native at 4k already, it's just that they can only do it streamed since the hdmi spec wasn't finalized in time for fabrication. $1400 would go a long way toward a 4k HDR OLED w/ hdmi 2.1 --> 120hz native at 4k, VRR, low latency in 2019.



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    HDMI 2.1 https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1511934073
    The first phase of HDMI 2.1 certification starts in the second quarter, with full certification expected to begin in the third or fourth quarter of the year. Products with the official stamp of approval can be launched following successful certification.
    Besides support for 8K and 10K resolution as well as 4K resolution at 120fps, HDMI 2.1 supports Dynamic HDR to enable “multiple static and dynamic HDR solutions”. It features eARC that “supports the most advanced high bitrate home theater audio formats, object-based audio, uncompressed 5.1 and 7.1, and 32-channel uncompressed audio” with audio bandwidth up to 37 Mb/s

    • Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) reduces or eliminates lag, stutter and frame tearing for more fluid and better detailed gameplay.

    • Quick Media Switching (QMS) for movies and video eliminates the delay that can result in blank screens before content is displayed.

    • Quick Frame Transport (QFT) reduces latency for smoother no-lag gaming, and real-time interactive virtual reality.

    • Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM) allows the ideal latency setting to automatically be set allowing for smooth, lag-free and uninterrupted viewing and interactivity.

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    I don't see any information about its HDR implementation. Peak brightness? HDR10 and/or Dolby Vision? Edge-lit or FALD?
     
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    It's just a regular low-end TV panel as far as I can tell, so 400 nit brightness and probably HDR10 only. The HDR on this is a spec bullet point only, not real HDR.
     
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    details bruh
     
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    I think US still has free trade with SK in most common sectors, so no duties/taxes to worry about here on electronics. The "Discount Air" rate on those packages actually isn't all that bad on screens under 48" or so, depends mostly on the total box dimensions. I've gotten quite a bit of stuff from SK over the years.

    Really really fucking tempted to get one for my Titan V. Might wait a bit but one things for damned sure: those extra late and overpriced tiny 27" monitors can go suck a goat.
     
  28. Gatecrasher3000

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    Damn, is this the new '1440p 27" Korean monitor' but for 2018?
    We just need 5-6 companies to start selling the same panel to drive down the price, like with the 27" 1440p screens. Those were the days...
     
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    Yes
     
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    So now do you see why I asked for details ;P?
     
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    Zisworks uses the old Seiki 39" which are worth practically nothing, so I'm guessing he found one for free or maybe repaired a slightly broken one. The components alone are about $490.

    Regardless, comparing a heavy DIY project like the Zisworks stuff to a consumer display is very silly.
     
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    I paid $390 for the kit and $100 for the donor Seiki. My point is, that Korean 4k120 aint worth more than a grand..at least in my eyes and I can't be wrong because it has been for sale for two days and they still have 10 available, which is how many they had when originally listed lol

    If there were no Zis kits, I would have been interested in that Korean for work productivity at a better price point, however without Gsync or Vsync and subpar HDR.....I am not interested in gaming on it
     
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    Until we know if the display has overdrive or not and input lag numbers, super risky purchase. Maybe if they said these were pixel perfect units I would have bit. But they allow up to TEN defects!

    If no overdrive or input lag is >20-30ms, the value drops dramatically. I wouldn't be surprised if these displays are $999 in a month or two due to lack of sales.
     
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    Looks like two have sold, I am interested to hear if they have overdrive and what their input lag is.

    Good that there is some competition out there to keep Acer and Asus more honest cause $3,000 for the 27" 4k144 was NOT gonna fly lol
     
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    i'm all for competition, but it seems impossible to find any reliable information.

    Searching for the model name UH430 brings up lots of results from 2016. 4K screens with HDMI 2.0 inputs
     
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    Depends what you mean by competition. These aren't directly competing with

    • g-sync/VRR
    • tight to 120hz+
    • modern gaming overdrive (for LCD)
    • low input lag by design
    • high density FALD (or OLED per pixel)
    • 1000nit peak w/ VA black depth augmented by FALD true HDR (or HDR OLED)
    • P3 color for HDR standards (QD filtered for lcd)

    But like I said, considering hdmi 2.1's specs for the next few years including VRR and low latency - and the fact that LG oleds can already do 120hz native internally, I agree with your acer/asus price tag comment in that respect, especially for the 65" BFGD ones.
    Caveats being the size of LG tv's (though TCL is going to start printing 31" oleds eventually) .. the wait for hdmi 2.1.. the likely gpu upgrade to support hdmi 2.1 and VRR (assuming nvidia will require gpu upgrade for hdmi 2.1 and VRR if/when they support it).
     
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    *If* the displays sell well the prices will probably come down some in time I'm thinking. How much is debatable. Probably still too pricey for most people though.