well this also confirms though, Vega will have a water cooled edition. Unless that rendition is a fake.
Not fake, the first picture is used on the Radeon blog site itself.
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well this also confirms though, Vega will have a water cooled edition. Unless that rendition is a fake.
Nope, just stating how it is.
Yeah it was kind of disjointed. Why compare it to the Fury then?No its specific slide 32 in the deck you linked to, Frontier is a pro product.
Interesting that they recommend a 6+ Core Intel or 8+ Core AMD CPU, and a GTX 1060/AMD480 for developers.New VR headsets in development are pushing for higher resolutions and maintain high frame rates. Here is the specs on the $300 Microsoft VR headset. Think of these early entries into VR as the 640 x 480 monitors of yesteryear.
Headset specs
2x LCD displays, 1440 x 1440
2.89” diagonal display size (x2)
Front hinged display
95 degrees horizontal field of view
Display refresh rate up to 90 Hz (native)
Built-in audio out and microphone support through 3.5mm jack
Single cable with HDMI 2.0 (display) and USB 3.0 (data) for connectivity
Inside-out tracking
4.0 meter cable
Sensors: Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Magnetometer, Proximity
Dimensions (L x W x H) 195.8 x 94.8 x 106.59 mm
Weight: 350 grams
Before you say, "VR who cares!" remember that we are getting new Nvidia libraries to push hardware, HDR, and more to push these GPUs. Also you can buy a Dell 8k monitor. Next year I expect that price to be sub 2K and VEGA to be within its refresh window.
GDDR instead of HBM?Note this render from the financial presentation
Ya, I'm not sure. The art department clearly knows it's vega given the big V on the rendered silicon. I guess we'll find out at computex. The Polaris die art was angled. This looks more like a reused hawaii render if anything.GDDR instead of HBM?
Maybe the art/marketing department didn't get the memo, or they repurposed an art asset for Polaris based Pro cards?
Maybe, I do recalled Robert Hallock saying Vega can use GDDR or HBM, though the most likely scenario is AMD marketing goof again.GDDR instead of HBM?
Maybe the art/marketing department didn't get the memo, or they repurposed an art asset for Polaris based Pro cards?
Aw, poor Shintai doesn't know how to gracefully admit being incorrect. It's almost as if being right or wrong isnt her/his ultimate goal...
In psychology it's called cognative disonance. The same thing happens to politics. It's actually a personality flaw where a person's brain actually induces feeling of being threatened if they are presented a contradictory information that is counter to their own beliefs.
I'm neutral territory. I slammed both the rx480 and fury. But I still believe amd makes decent stuff even if they aren't out in front. And I'm still neutral on the Vega until I see benchmarks.
I look forward to Kyle's review.
8Hi stacks of HBM running at 1.87Gbps will run extremely hot, it is quite natural to be skeptical of 16GB claims using only a 2048 interface. Supply will be ***extremely*** limited and it should even interfere with waterblock installation due to height. Its a surprise to everyone that 8Hi stacks exist because they do not appear on any catalogues at all.
8Hi stacks of HBM running at 1.87Gbps will run extremely hot, it is quite natural to be skeptical of 16GB claims using only a 2048 interface. Supply will be ***extremely*** limited and it should even interfere with waterblock installation due to height. Its a surprise to everyone that 8Hi stacks exist because they do not appear on any catalogues at all.
Different applications makes sense. Presumably there is a Threadripper or Epyc with a rather large amount of GPUs attached where pulling 75W each through the motherboard isn't ideal.I think 8+6 is 300W in this instance with Frontier.
75W motherboard
75W 6pin
150W 8pin
Yeah sorry it may be a bit pedantic I know, because in reality 8+6 is spec as 225W/300W.
Cheers
Might be a socketed GPU/APU which was alluded to on one of the slides. Those stacks look more like MOSFETs than RAM.Ya, I'm not sure. The art department clearly knows it's vega given the big V on the rendered silicon. I guess we'll find out at computex. The Polaris die art was angled. This looks more like a reused hawaii render if anything.
The desires, whether they are mine, yours or anyone else's are irrelevant.I figured if you love NV and enjoy buying their GPUs, you would want there to be competition so you can enjoy lower prices. The logical position for gamers who appreciate their money would be for both AMD & NV to have great GPUs, right?
There is competition on high end between nV's own products.
NV can not compete with itself, its just makes cards and charges as much as it can for each one. Like any other co.
They have basically had a monopoly for several years and the prices have gone insane.
I agree 100% with competition is good but AMD blowing smoke is not competition.
Last year all we heard was the 480 will be as fast as a 1080 for half the price.
F a 480 can't even beat a 1060 you call that competition, more smoke and mirrors.
This year its called a 580 and it still can't beat it, Next year will we have a 680?
The Vega fake post were talking about speed and price...and I say again, more talk and a year of BS
IF AND I SAY IF they had something to market they would be bouncing off the walls and screaming but they don't.
OH did I forget to say that AMD stock fell 10.79% this morning...the day after their super talk
well titan prices are crazy lol, that is the only place they are price gouging. Now if AMD did have performacne comparative parts in the enthusiest and high end I'm sure the prices will be a tad lower on nV's products, damn 60% margins is way above typical. Good for nV but those margins are coming from us.
Those adjusted for inflation charts always seem off to me.You say NV competes with itself and then that they can't? Typo? And no, prices haven't gone insane.
Those adjusted for inflation charts always seem off to me.
Realistically. In the year 2000 I was in the middle of my college years working evenings at FedEx for about $11.25 per hour IIRC. I'd imagine the pay is about the same now for a package handler. I remember a fast food worker in my area, in the city would make about $8 an hour starting. I hear it's about $9 now.
Price of gas is higher now. Price of rent is higher now, insurance is higher now, food cost is higher now, heck my water bill used to be $35 every 2 months, now it's 80 every month. Same water service, same city.
I realize my perspective is antecdotal, but it sure seems like typical living costs rose faster than wages over those 17 years. What I'm saying is put yourself in the shoes of a 18 year old with a basic job. It was easier to buy a $400 card in the year 2000 than it is to buy a $700 card today.
When I was 18 I wasn't buying $400 GPUs. lolThose adjusted for inflation charts always seem off to me.
Around the year 2000 I was in the middle of my college years, living in Kansas City working evenings at FedEx for about $11.25 per hour IIRC. I'd imagine the pay is about the same now for a package handler. I remember a fast food worker in my area, would make about $8 an hour starting. I hear it's about $9 now.
Price of gas is higher now. Price of rent is higher now, insurance is higher now, food cost is higher now, heck my water bill used to be $35 every 2 months, now it's $80 every month. Same water service, same city.
I realize my perspective is antecdotal, but it sure seems like typical living costs rose faster than wages over those 17 years. What I'm saying is put yourself in the shoes of a 18 year old with a basic job -- it seems it would have been easier to buy a $400 card in the year 2000 than it is to buy a $700 card today.
no, I wasn't either, but I bought plenty of $200 - $300 GPUs over the years since high school to now. (graduated 1997) I usually bought a new graphics card every generation or two.When I was 18 I wasn't buying $400 GPUs. lol
As someone in engineering I can tell you that not all products appear in catalogs for competitive reasons or they are hidden secrets.
I'm not saying that is the case here and they may be only capable of producing a couple thousand per month. But it is a plausible explination.
no, I wasn't either, but I bought plenty of $200 - $300 GPUs over the years since high school to now. (graduated 1997) I usually bought a new graphics card every generation or two.
Am I remembering correctly that a 3dfx voodoo 2 card was about $300 in the mid/late 90s? That was lawn mowing money for me --- high school timeframe. (yes checked -- $300 was launch price) --- EVERYBODY who was into PC gaming that I knew had a 3dfx card back in those days. So yeah -- proves the point. By contrast very few people I know are willing to drop $700 on a card (even as adults), but nearly everyone back then was willing to drop $300. So the translation to today's wages doesn't work. (admittedly, at least with my subjective, small, anecdotal sample size of friends).
I usually bought mid-upper tier throughout the years and $200-$300 was always common outlay for those cards.
That was HBM rather than HBM2.SK Hynix and AMD co-developed HBM together didn't they? Maybe part of the deal was first priority.
8Hi stacks of HBM running at 1.87Gbps will run extremely hot, it is quite natural to be skeptical of 16GB claims using only a 2048 interface. Supply will be ***extremely*** limited and it should even interfere with waterblock installation due to height. Its a surprise to everyone that 8Hi stacks exist because they do not appear on any catalogues at all.
Here's a thought for folks who depend on the public catalogs. AMD in Q4 financial claimed they spent ~80M on securing supply, before this, SK Hynix advertised 8Hi, full speed HBM2. After this, they removed the best HBM2 from their public catalog. SK Hynix + AMD worked closely on HBM2, it stands to reason there's a benefit for AMD here. You don't devote resources to a shared venture without benefits. LIkewise, NVIDIA gets exclusive GDDR5X with Micro, and likely, first dips for GDDR6 fastest modules too.
The point here is, sometimes what you see in the public domain, is not the 100% truth as there's hidden deals going on behind closed doors.
So it looks like the Q2 Vega release may have been referring to the Pro cards only, and the gaming chips will come later in Q3 or beyond. Lots of salt on Reddit today.
But despite all of this, I still find myself asking... # Where's Vega?
It was never in the catalogue as a specific date it will be there, it was always TBD from what I remember and even now its still a TBD
Nothing has been removed from the catalogue, just that HBM2 hasn't been updated with a specific date. So I'm thinking they are using risk wafers for the first few initial batches, and that makes sense with the low availability rumors of Vega.
That's the thing lol. Something is going on. It may be that AMD booked all the memory and got first dibs so they likely removed those. I mean it's unlikely they can't get their shit together every quarter. LolWell Ironically SK Hynix in Q4'16 removed the 1.6GBps HBM2 and kept 2Gbps in
And then to return Q1'17 with 1.6Gbps (keeps slipping since) but now 2Gbps HBM2 is removed and never appeard again.
CHeers
It's still kind of apples and oranges. Today's GPUs are orders of magnitudes more complex than GPUs in the 90s and have expanded significantly both in scope (now they do GPGPU, physics, massively parallel HPC, etc) and die size.no, I wasn't either, but I bought plenty of $200 - $300 GPUs over the years since high school to now. (graduated 1997) I usually bought a new graphics card every generation or two.
Am I remembering correctly that a 3dfx voodoo card was about $300 in the mid/late 90s? That was lawn mowing money for me --- high school timeframe. I bought a Orchid Righteous 3d card, and it was a pretty penny, but it was obtainable. (yes checked -- $300 was launch price for both original voodoo cards and voodoo 2 cards) --- EVERYBODY who was into PC gaming that I knew had a 3dfx card back in those days. So yeah -- proves the point. By contrast very few people I know are willing to drop $700 on a card (even as adults), but nearly everyone back then was willing to drop $300. So the translation to today's wages doesn't work. (admittedly, at least with my subjective, small, anecdotal sample size of friends).
I usually bought mid-upper tier throughout the years and $200-$300 was always common outlay for those cards.
I edited my post.That's the thing lol. Something is going on. It may be that AMD booked all the memory and got first dibs so they likely removed those. I mean it's unlikely they can't get their shit together every quarter. Lol
I edited my post.
Only the 1.6Gbps has ever had a date and that goes back to Q1'17, the 2Gbps was always TBD up to the point it never returned.
And with the way they changed while TBD and with the dates slipping each quarter in the official book for 1.6Gbps suggests Sk Hynix is having problems.
Cheers
So it looks like the Q2 Vega release may have been referring to the Pro cards only, and the gaming chips will come later in Q3 or beyond. Lots of salt on Reddit today.
But despite all of this, I still find myself asking... # Where's Vega?