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looks like its about on time to me(posted 3/15/2016, 7:19 AM)
edit: then nv announced Pascal in may
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looks like its about on time to me(posted 3/15/2016, 7:19 AM)
edit: then nv announced Pascal in may
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Ah....so no 2016 Vega roadmap from you? Seems it is a case of your personal perception being the reality you would like people to perceive as real?
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Exactly. They don't need a traditional marketing campaign when they have marketeers:
I think this thread is a pretty good example.
I guess i could have. I just thought the Volta would be good enough so couldn't be bothered to test drive it. Buyer beware i guess. But i just won't buy another Volta, problem solved.
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LMAO!! The whole 70% market share IS GOOD MARKETING!! Holy shit I am lmao over here! Did ya really think that one through???
I could care less what AMD says, they might have planned it for 2017, but seriously, think twice about that, they gave up 6 billion dollars, when they are cash strapped and on the ropes at that time? You think any business is run that way? Timing is one of the most important things when launching for OEM's and system contracts. Cause once those are signed, those OEM's have obligations, so now the second guy coming around can't get in the door or can't get as good of a deal, or, many other things can happen too.
So explain to me how nV got 80% marketshare then when AMD flopped with Fiji and the r3xxx series, was it because of marketing or was it because of no competition.
I guess i could have. I just thought the Volta would be good enough so couldn't be bothered to test drive it. Buyer beware i guess. But i just won't buy another Volta, problem solved.
I think you need to a better way to buy any product let alone a vacuum cleaner, you probably listened to a marketer like you say.....
It comes down to expectations, AMD and various news were reporting they would be out before Nvidia with their Pascal cards, in reality they were caught out by Nvidia launching straight away at 600mm2 and also how quickly their 1080/1070 came to market and followed promptly by the 1060.
Various news-rumour sites were doom Nvidia (yeilds/parts/technical problems/'insert doom here'/etc and AMD would steal a march as they were vastly ahead with no issues.
Cheers
Well I can see future AMD CEO's right here in this thread, 6 billion dollars ment nothing to AMD!
Silly talk, lets forget about the 1.5 year gen to gen cadence and lets do a 2.5 year gen to gen release, so end results we get bent over a desk? Just silly to think this was all planned out for this outcome.
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Nope, as you are well aware, i'm suggesting that Nv has no specific marketing campaign that you can refer to for their 70% market share. If it was due to marketing, then it was under the radar viral marketing and astroturfing designed to discredit and undermine- marketing, personnel, products and user base of their competition. BTW, I thought you claimed that AMD gained market share with the 300 series, and i agreed.?? no?
Hmm i don't think i would agree with that. The only product i've ever had issues with is this Volta.
They did Gameworks did its job well. Brand did the rest, there was no need for nV to do more reviews showed the rest, and with no competing AMD products, it was a wash.
As i stated you kind are wishy washy with your ideas, and given the fact you are talking about what below and trying to do some sort of crap parallel shit with that, yeah I can see marketing works wonders for brainwashed people.
BTW where are those links for things about HPC and AMD? Have you found any yet, that was last night around 11 pm remember? Still nothing but BS coming out of ya I see. From this point on I want links to everything you say how about that?
I can show you marketshare numbers but that is too much for head, it will just pop.
I beg to differ, can't even figure out a cheapo buy like a vacuum cleaner, I expect you have more problems then just that in purchasing..... And you complain about it in a graphics forum, love the correlation of that.
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So you really think 100% of Nvidia's revenue came from only sales of GP104? The more logical conclusion is they wrote off a market segment who's cost they didn't feel was justified at the time. Polaris was released to compete with Pascal, just not a high end product that might have had limited profit expectations. Especially in light of a next gen Vega coming shortly afterwards to compete with Volta.Well I can see future AMD CEO's right here in this thread, 6 billion dollars ment nothing to AMD!
Silly talk, lets forget about the 1.5 year gen to gen cadence and lets do a 2.5 year gen to gen release, so end results we get bent over a desk? Just silly to think this was all planned out for this outcome.
Developer relations qualifies as marketing. There was an entire generation of games where DX effectively stagnated and GameWorks ran wild reducing performance for all parties. Had DX12/Vulkan/Mantle been adopted years earlier we'd be looking at much different games now.
In addition to Vega it looks like AMD will be announcing a new version of Freesync with support for low latency HDR https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/amd_to_announce_freesync_2_at_ces_2017/1
Pascal in its entirety. And Polaris did nothing to stop Pascal. NOTHING, not only that nV had a record year and record quarter after quarter this past year.
Shit it didn't really even help AMD's bottom line much, at least not yet.
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So in case you are unaware, just a heads up, you are getting personal
Not that I care, but just so you know it is against forum rules. So nvidia isn't in the position that AMD is in is what it boils down to by the sounds of it. Therefore it's pretty difficult to compare marketing strategies wouldn't you say? Let's see Nv's official marketing strategy at work after Vega release. We'll see if they sit silently and let their brand do the talking, and continue to just send their minions out onto forums to viral market and astroturf. We'll see what else they can come up with: I wonder if the 100,000 documents stolen from AMD and went to nvidia when both employees joined their company have run their course yet..
You seem to have trouble understanding correlation and causation.
Actually i just bought it cuz it looked good. Didn't realize that the Volta was all noise no action.
So in case you are unaware, just a heads up, you are getting personal
So nvidia isn't in the position that AMD is in is what it boils down to by the sounds of it. Therefore it's pretty difficult to compare marketing strategies wouldn't you say? Let's see Nv's official marketing strategy at work after Vega release. We'll see if they sit silently and let their brand do the talking, and continue to just send their minions out onto forums to viral market and astroturf. We'll see what else they can come up with: I wonder if the 100,000 documents stolen from AMD and went to nvidia when both employees joined their company have run their course yet..
You seem to have trouble understanding correlation and causation.
You haven't seen me get personal lol, I am making statements based on your inability to comprehend basic marketing concepts. Just like your previous understanding of the HPC market and what makes it tick. And fully explained to you with links why things are the way they are at this present day.
You think nV's forum program is still active do you realize that was when, in 2000? That was 16 years ago! And it was all dug up and chewed out.
Yeah that is what I stated, nV will market if they need to market, spend the money when its necessary, at this point and time they seemed to have cut back because the need isn't there.
And looks isn't part of marketing? See what I mean.
Just because something looks good doesn't mean its going to do its job....... but for you that was the selling point, great marketing at its best, sucked ya right in. Pun intended.
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yeah now your getting personal. you keep hounding him about his vacuum and how he didnt test it.
and youre the one reporting and getting posts removed...
and now your getting threatening....
"looked good" could mean physically looked good, specs looked good, reviews looks good. its a generalized term.
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WCCFTECH is starting the hype train for you'll.
AMD Vega Features Leaked – 4x Efficiency, 2x Performance/Clock , 8x Capacity Per HBM Stack & Next Gen Compute Engine
http://wccftech.com/amd-vega-features/
4x as efficient. That's enough hype right there.
AMD Vega Features Leaked – 4x Efficiency, 2x Performance/Clock , 8x Capacity Per HBM Stack & Next Gen Compute Engine
http://wccftech.com/amd-vega-features/
4x as efficient. That's enough hype right there.
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FreeSync 2... AKA auto HDR mode.
http://videocardz.com/65301/amd-announces-freesync-2
http://videocardz.com/65301/amd-announces-freesync-2
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Damn good thing AMD doesn't have any money for R&D, they might have released two separate architectures at this rate.
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first off, designate your edits! I came back to reply and that post is twice as long as it was, ninja edits suck!
second, I'm sure ive said it to you before, what is the point of such a seemingly personal crusade against someone's supposed lack of knowledge?! say they are wrong, provide proof and move on. you don't have to go after every little thing....
and last, I don't buy into marketing bs and have no opinion on either camps strategies.
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If you guys dont get back on topic and off the personal attacks, I'm going to start banning people .
Consider this your only warning.
Consider this your only warning.
Sorry about that!
cool, I don't buy into the market BS either, but just look what it dragged out right here.
LOL. I leave this page yesterday evening on page two. Now it is six pages, good job. Maybe my sarcasm did not go through? Take responsibility for your actions. I just hope AMD now understands the importance of software support at launch. No need to hire a UK drummer boy or clean out those barrels for some fine wine, just give me the grape juice now. How about that timer? It is still ticking and oh so fun to watch.
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It looks to me vega has many more changes under the hood then polaris. Looks like Polaris was a step child to what Vega is for AMD. Makes sense how polaris came up short, I have no doubt they didn't dedicate shit to polaris and probably invested more in vega.
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Since everyone is here anyway ill just post here, seems like early "leaked" reports point to zen hitting 4.2-4.4. I don't know if this is with normal cooling
I expect to see only FP64 units on the HPC cards, it would make sense given the performance of the announce volta soc and it being on the same node, 8packed int8 operations per clock on 64b wide units makes sense.
Curious what this entails for the 32b oriented consumer and CAD GPUs as the perf/w improvement must be gotten from elsewhere really
It's late relative to its competition
I expect to see only FP64 units on the HPC cards, it would make sense given the performance of the announce volta soc and it being on the same node, 8packed int8 operations per clock on 64b wide units makes sense.
Curious what this entails for the 32b oriented consumer and CAD GPUs as the perf/w improvement must be gotten from elsewhere really
It's late relative to its competition
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Volta?
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It barely competes with Pascal from what we know of early samples and the official numbers.
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I am sure that is what AMD's target was when they started the design process.
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Going by AMD's demonstration it's allegedly faster than a 1080 (with questionable drivers), but we have no idea just how large or expensive it is. It seems likely they added the tiled based rasterization that was the source of a lot of Nvida's gains. Going off those slides there are a "few" architectural changes that probably need some driver work. The design is also likely geared towards SM6 which isn't even out yet.
Bottom line we have no idea how many cores, what clocks, or even the die size. That could be a 200mm2, smaller than Polaris 10, die at which point competition would be a 1060. Unlikely, but there are a lot of key details we haven't seen to draw any conclusions.
I don't know of any early samples or official numbers other than the one AMD showed for Doom Vulkan. But that is hardly anything to go by since they said this was a very early sample with the case all taped up lol.
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Hehe, fair deal on that image, but it still coveys the message. I like a Prime myself.
But for those that do not know what I am referring to, the first time I heard the AMD tagline, this is what came to my mind. I like my history.
"Better red than dead" and "better dead than red" were dueling Cold War slogans which first gained currency in the United Kingdom and the United States during the late 1950s, amid debates about anti-communism and nuclear disarmament (red being the emblematic color of communism).
The first phrase, "better red than dead", is often credited to British philosopher Bertrand Russell, but in his 1961 Has Man a Future? he attributes it to "West German friends of peace."[1] In any event, Russell agreed with the sentiment, having written in 1958 that if "no alternatives remain except Communist domination or extinction of the human race, the former alternative is the lesser of two evils," and the slogan was adopted by the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, which he helped found.[2]"
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Please AMD give me an upgrade so I can get rid of Crossfire.
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I'll be honest here and say I don't really care much about Vega. It'll be nice if it gives good performance yadda yadda, but they haven't been able to deliver what I want yet.
The 1070 I have now is far more performance than I need, but Gsync is the only VRR solution that works for me in the games that I play. I've owned more AMD cards and Freesync monitors than most people that post religiously in this forum put together and not one of them gave me a good, smooth experience like each of the Gsync monitors I've used regardless of the GPU it was attached to.
If they up their driver game with Freesync 2.0 so I don't have to suffer through seizure-inducing flickering during gameplay in anything not a newly released AAA title I might consider it again, but it looks like for the time being I'm stuck with green cards (its a shame, because I'll be having Zen when it comes out and my computer OCD makes it difficult to put NV with an AMD CPU lol).
The 1070 I have now is far more performance than I need, but Gsync is the only VRR solution that works for me in the games that I play. I've owned more AMD cards and Freesync monitors than most people that post religiously in this forum put together and not one of them gave me a good, smooth experience like each of the Gsync monitors I've used regardless of the GPU it was attached to.
If they up their driver game with Freesync 2.0 so I don't have to suffer through seizure-inducing flickering during gameplay in anything not a newly released AAA title I might consider it again, but it looks like for the time being I'm stuck with green cards (its a shame, because I'll be having Zen when it comes out and my computer OCD makes it difficult to put NV with an AMD CPU lol).
Whole bunch of nothing in this thread. Looks like AMD so call marketing is at least getting the old arguments (ad nausea) sprung back up. Which points to that folks are indeed interested in more higher performing graphics cards and Nvidia probably has not tap out the majority of potential buyers on the high end - else why argue over virtually nothing and everything?
If AMD with no fanfare, no promotional shit or pretty boring slides just slips Kyle a plan box in the mail with a video card and a flash drive with drivers (nothing else) and ask him to test and give them feedback - that to me would be the gold standard for a company having confidence in their product. HardOCP would have to ask the important questions on product stack, what was received, best and worst things to test it with etc. (HardOCP would also be tested in this) Letting the product stand on it's own. If it rocks that would shock and shake up this industry and would say so much more then a red banner, drum filled warehouse.
Anyways advertising like that or propaganda is for folks (my opinion) who want to believe in something (could be anything) - Good vs Evil mentality or right and wrong so when you take a stand you feel like you are fighting the good fight or cause. Friends and foes. There are better things to fight over then video cards in the end.
If AMD with no fanfare, no promotional shit or pretty boring slides just slips Kyle a plan box in the mail with a video card and a flash drive with drivers (nothing else) and ask him to test and give them feedback - that to me would be the gold standard for a company having confidence in their product. HardOCP would have to ask the important questions on product stack, what was received, best and worst things to test it with etc. (HardOCP would also be tested in this) Letting the product stand on it's own. If it rocks that would shock and shake up this industry and would say so much more then a red banner, drum filled warehouse.
Anyways advertising like that or propaganda is for folks (my opinion) who want to believe in something (could be anything) - Good vs Evil mentality or right and wrong so when you take a stand you feel like you are fighting the good fight or cause. Friends and foes. There are better things to fight over then video cards in the end.
Where Nvidia won was in game development. As far as I can remember they were fuckin slapped on every damn video game. They just took over with stamping their logo on every game. That is where AMD failed, people do notice that. When a game is going to have a fuckin nvidia logo slapped all over it people tend to go that route. It matters big time. AMD seems to be doing a better job at that now. But boy they just let go off their involvement in games and pretty much let nvidia own that space. Nvidia didn't have to market much when most games had their name stamped on it.