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Ok, so I was going to get some Zalman coolers... the CNPS9500, and a VF700-Cu...

Well scrap that... I want water!

But I have the tightest budget ever... $200 CAD, maybe $250 if I can gather that up somehow...

I see that Swiftech seems to be the way to go for a budget?

I really want to put water on my Northbridge, but from the sounds of it.. it'll be expensive to get one of those blocks, and I couldn't find one anywhere in Canada... that damn fan spins up to 7000rpm and is the noisiest thing in my system.

I prefer the thicker tubing for some reason 1/2", anyone have advice? Is thicker better? Or worth it over the thinner tubing?

And what about those Cooler Master prebuilt kits with the pump built into it? I'm guessing if I added a Northbridge block to that kit, it would probably be worse than cheaper air cooling?

I really hope you guys can help me out.. I have an idea of what I need to do.. but my budget is terrible.. heh..

And yes I realize I might have to just get the Zalman for the video card anyways.

So what I want is.. CPU Block, Northbridge Block, No res (Fill Port?), 1/2" Tubing.
And hopefully a pump that my monster overdone 520watt PSU can power...

Thanks for any help!
 
Just put a evercool VC-RE on the NF4 chip works great and quiet. to W/C NF4 just not worth it and not within your budget.Be much better to W/C gfx chip.
 
LOWBOY said:
Just put a evercool VC-RE on the NF4 chip works great and quiet. to W/C NF4 just not worth it and not within your budget.Be much better to W/C gfx chip.
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Link me to this.. never heard of it before...

But yeah, it's probably not within budget... but it gets damn hot and I don't like that.
 
well.....there at a lot of variables that go into this one........

http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6089&Category_Code=510.1
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6160&Category_Code=510.3
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...n=PROD&Product_Code=6209&Category_Code=510.13
http://www.bigalsonline.ca/catalog/product.xml?product_id=27377&category_id=3867&pcid1=2181
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6220&Category_Code=510.7
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...ROD&Product_Code=6100TUBE&Category_Code=510.4

all that would cool CPU and GPU, puting you within spitting distance of your higher budget......
HOWEVER, that pump WILL NOT LAST.
also, you would still need around $10 CDN in hose clamps and other necessities.

there are not many WC stores in canada, if you had not already noticed........

if you were willing to abandon cooling one item, that makes things a lot simpler and lets you get some better parts and make it closer to your lower budget target. for best noise reduction, you should probably ditch the CPU cooling for the time being, and cool the GPU. in that case i would reccomend:

http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...n=PROD&Product_Code=6207&Category_Code=510.13
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6049&Category_Code=510.3
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6202&Category_Code=510.1

in this second case, you would add a CPU waterblock and a second 120mm rad at some later date. you could cool just the CPU for a little bit less than the GPU, since the CPU block that i linked is a bit cheaper.

i looked at black ice and heatercore rads.....the black ice rads run a good bit more, and the heater core costs at least as much as the swiftech rad if you get a pre-made shround to go with it.

i seldom bother to do other people's shopping for them......don't complain too much if you don't like what you see.
 
Borgschulze said:
Link me to this.. never heard of it before...

But yeah, it's probably not within budget... but it gets damn hot and I don't like that.
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It shows as vga cooler butit will fit your board NF4 perfect heres a linkhttp://www.jab-tech.com/Evercool-VC-RE-Twinkling-VGA-Cooler-pr-2291.html
 
DFI Daishi said:
well.....there at a lot of variables that go into this one........

http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6089&Category_Code=510.1
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6160&Category_Code=510.3
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...n=PROD&Product_Code=6209&Category_Code=510.13
http://www.bigalsonline.ca/catalog/product.xml?product_id=27377&category_id=3867&pcid1=2181
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6220&Category_Code=510.7
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...ROD&Product_Code=6100TUBE&Category_Code=510.4

all that would cool CPU and GPU, puting you within spitting distance of your higher budget......
HOWEVER, that pump WILL NOT LAST.
also, you would still need around $10 CDN in hose clamps and other necessities.

there are not many WC stores in canada, if you had not already noticed........

if you were willing to abandon cooling one item, that makes things a lot simpler and lets you get some better parts and make it closer to your lower budget target. for best noise reduction, you should probably ditch the CPU cooling for the time being, and cool the GPU. in that case i would reccomend:

http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...n=PROD&Product_Code=6207&Category_Code=510.13
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6049&Category_Code=510.3
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6202&Category_Code=510.1

in this second case, you would add a CPU waterblock and a second 120mm rad at some later date. you could cool just the CPU for a little bit less than the GPU, since the CPU block that i linked is a bit cheaper.

i looked at black ice and heatercore rads.....the black ice rads run a good bit more, and the heater core costs at least as much as the swiftech rad if you get a pre-made shround to go with it.

i seldom bother to do other people's shopping for them......don't complain too much if you don't like what you see.
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Well I can always look to buying from other people, on RedFlagDeals, great site for Canadians if you know about it...

I really prefer cooling the CPU and getting the GPU block at a later date, I'm just really curious in this Watercooling thing, it seems fun, plus I have always had loud computers... so this is a good way to make my computer alot quieter.

I'm thinking for now...

MCW6000 CPU Block
Swiftech MCR220 Rad
Pentair Aquatics Lifegard Quiet One- 1200
Tubing
And a VF700-Cu, which I can sell to my friend later, because I sold him my 6600GT, which runs hot as shit.

Do I really need that relay switch? My computer is only off when I am doing something in the case, otherwise it's on 24/7.

LOWBOY said:
It shows as vga cooler butit will fit your board NF4 perfect heres a link http://www.jab-tech.com/Evercool-VC-RE-Twinkling-VGA-Cooler-pr-2291.html
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I definetly will get one of these, looked at some reviews, seems like a great cooler, how quiet is it? Quieter than my noisy Maxtor 120gb 2mb Cache drive? :p
 
DFI Daishi said:
well.....there at a lot of variables that go into this one........

http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6089&Category_Code=510.1
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6160&Category_Code=510.3
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...n=PROD&Product_Code=6209&Category_Code=510.13
http://www.bigalsonline.ca/catalog/product.xml?product_id=27377&category_id=3867&pcid1=2181
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6220&Category_Code=510.7
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...ROD&Product_Code=6100TUBE&Category_Code=510.4

all that would cool CPU and GPU, puting you within spitting distance of your higher budget......
HOWEVER, that pump WILL NOT LAST.
also, you would still need around $10 CDN in hose clamps and other necessities.

there are not many WC stores in canada, if you had not already noticed........

if you were willing to abandon cooling one item, that makes things a lot simpler and lets you get some better parts and make it closer to your lower budget target. for best noise reduction, you should probably ditch the CPU cooling for the time being, and cool the GPU. in that case i would reccomend:

http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...n=PROD&Product_Code=6207&Category_Code=510.13
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6049&Category_Code=510.3
http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Mer...en=PROD&Product_Code=6202&Category_Code=510.1

in this second case, you would add a CPU waterblock and a second 120mm rad at some later date. you could cool just the CPU for a little bit less than the GPU, since the CPU block that i linked is a bit cheaper.

i looked at black ice and heatercore rads.....the black ice rads run a good bit more, and the heater core costs at least as much as the swiftech rad if you get a pre-made shround to go with it.

i seldom bother to do other people's shopping for them......don't complain too much if you don't like what you see.
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Funny, I've got that very same pump and it's been running 24/7 for over a year with nary a hiccup...I've gotta call BS on that claim.
 
madmat said:
Funny, I've got that very same pump and it's been running 24/7 for over a year with nary a hiccup...I've gotta call BS on that claim.
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I've got an Al's pretty close to me, 20 minute bike ride, I think once I make my final descision I will go pick one up.
 
I had to do a little adaptation with mine but it's fairly simple...

PumpFittingDetails.jpg

The fittings I got at a local hardware store and the foam under the pump is 2 layers of thick, soft mousepad glued together and glued to the pump with velcro glued to it. I used Liquid Nails for the gluing and it's pretty much permanent.
 
I got what I could find local and since I'm in such a small area the only thing was white. They serve my purpose though. That is just to give you an idea of what's entailed. If you can find 1/2 NPT to 1/2" hose barb fittings that's even better as it removes one more threaded juncture.
 
Like it threads directly onto the pump, with the ridges for the tubing on the end of that?
 
That mousepad idea is pretty slick, but if you can get a 3" square of nice thick carpet pad.....works great, and no gluing :D
 
i got an entire loop, 100 for just cpu, or 150 for cpu + gpu:

bonneville HC
mag3 pump
dd TDX
dd maze4
1/2" ID tubing


found the pump for 1/2 off, that probably helps :p
 
Definately a good rad, and while the cpu block won't win any beauty contests, performs quite well.
You won't need a relay if you can remeber to plug the pump back in "before" you turn the box back on. If the only time everything is turned off is for random tweaking, you shouldn't forget, but maybe put a sticker on the power button to remind you :p
 
(cf)Eclipse said:
i got an entire loop, 100 for just cpu, or 150 for cpu + gpu:

bonneville HC
mag3 pump
dd TDX
dd maze4
1/2" ID tubing


found the pump for 1/2 off, that probably helps :p
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Hey Mark, can you do me a favour? Eat my ass! :)
You get a video card yet?
 
SpoogeMonkey said:
Definately a good rad, and while the cpu block won't win any beauty contests, performs quite well.
You won't need a relay if you can remeber to plug the pump back in "before" you turn the box back on. If the only time everything is turned off is for random tweaking, you shouldn't forget, but maybe put a sticker on the power button to remind you :p
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Yeah, I won't forget, not something as prescious as my computer... infact, the last time I turned my computer off was to put AS5 on my video card... and chipset. So in total, I powered off my computer completely, only once since I got it setup.

I'm definetly not concerned about looks.. I don't have a case window.. it's just a Charcoal Grey Chieftec Matrix tower I got on sale at TigerDirect in-store for $37.99...

Huge 2.8mb Panoramic Picture of My Room

Heh, yeah.. I like sleek, plain designs... I guess if I was concerned I could paint the block gloss black to make it look cooler.
 
madmat said:
Funny, I've got that very same pump and it's been running 24/7 for over a year with nary a hiccup...I've gotta call BS on that claim.
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not going to dispute it then, since i've got no first hand experience with them.

a friend of mind had one and it died after about a year. we didn't know each other well at the time, so i don't know how he treated his loop. he tried bongs as well as rad cooling....could just have gotten too much crap into the impeller and worn away at it.

people also bitch about danners leaking......i've been using one for quite some time now without issue.

batch variation? carefull users vs. non? whatever. i'm glad you're having a good run with yours.
 
Borgschulze said:
Do I really need that relay switch? My computer is only off when I am doing something in the case, otherwise it's on 24/7.
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well as you like.......i never leave my computer on unattended so i find my relay usefull.

if you are slightly handy you can wire up your own relay pump control for more like $5-10 CDN. that's what i did, but i don't actually remember what the relay cost at the electronics shop.
 
Or you can just leave the pump run whenever the PC's off. Whenever I shut mine down I just leave the pump going, it doesn't hurt anything.
 
madmat said:
Or you can just leave the pump run whenever the PC's off. Whenever I shut mine down I just leave the pump going, it doesn't hurt anything.
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Ah, laziness, that's me.

What else do I need?
Will that radiator need a shroud? Or are those holes for mounting 120mm fans?
What kind of fans should I get? (I know to stay away from Thermaltake fans, I have a few, and they're the loudest screamers I've ever heard...)

I think for hose clamps I will go to Home Hardware, it's just easier than buying online.

Anything else you guys want to add?
 
I built a system with a dual 120mm rad for someone and I used the Thermaltake Smart LED fans on it running off a fan controller and they weren't terribly loud below 1800rpm, hell, compared to the PSU they weren't loud at all unless they were on full bore.

I still can't get over how loud his 850W PC Power&cooling PSU was.
 
Well my 520watt OCZ Powerstream is definetly quiet, loudest thing in my computer is the Northbridge fan when it hits 50c+ it gets LOUD.. and possibly the Maxtor... then it's a tie between the video card and CPU fan...

I stop the video card and CPU fan with my fingers and the computer is nearly half as loud.
 
If you're still thinking of getting one of the Evercool VC-RE's, I know it took me a long time to find one, they were always out of stock, and being in Canada it might be even more difficult. The reason I bring it up is I actually have one that I used for a month or so until I got up my water cooling setup. I'll send it to ya cheap if you want, though I have no experience shipping to Canada. I'd PM you about this but the system is down or something. Just let me know.
 
How low did it keep the temperature of your chipset? I am seriously considering getting a chipset waterblock though, just because I know it's hard to fit them on this board Hehe...
 
I think it kep it around 60 load, though that was with very poor airflow moving through my case. But if you don't have the money now, I would think it to be a very good temporary option, but of course its your call ;) . It's not hard to fit the chipset block if you move your videocard and run an 8x bus. (I know its not the prettiest setup, but I got everything cheap and I wanted to keep all the tubing internal)

WaterCooling.jpg
 
Wow, 60c under load... I think I'll stick with the stock cooler, which does better than that already for me, I don't mind the noise when the fan gets loud, because it only gets loud if I game for an hour or so, and I have the volume high when I game, or I wear headphones.
 
Borgschulze said:
Ah, laziness, that's me.

What else do I need?
Will that radiator need a shroud? Or are those holes for mounting 120mm fans?
What kind of fans should I get? (I know to stay away from Thermaltake fans, I have a few, and they're the loudest screamers I've ever heard...)

I think for hose clamps I will go to Home Hardware, it's just easier than buying online.

Anything else you guys want to add?
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you don't need a fan shroud with that rad. that's why i suggested it instead of a heatercore.

for some good, quiet 120mm fans: http://www.adpmods.com/case-modding/YATE-LOON-120mm-Quiet-Fan-D12SL-12-p-1776.html a pair of these would work very nicely. nexus adds a resistor to drop them to 9 V and make them even quieter, then sells them for more. if you have a fan controller, they're perfect.......if you don't....they might still move enough air for cooling everything at 7V.......DEFINATELY enough for the CPU.
 
You guys are awesome!

Looks like I might drop by Big Al's tonight and get the pump and tubing, they sell Vinyl tubing right? :rolleyes:
 
hey MonoDestro, what rad is that? Also, where's the best place to get a Powerstream? I'm growing weary of using the budget Xclio 450watt to power my system and a pump for WC.
 
Borgschulze said:
You guys are awesome!

Looks like I might drop by Big Al's tonight and get the pump and tubing, they sell Vinyl tubing right? :rolleyes:
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i didn't see any 3/8" ID hose when i was browsing their site, and i remember that when i got my own pump at their K-W retail store, the smallest fittings that they had were 1/2" (and they are nice, generous tight as hell but secure as hell fittings). i'm not sure that they would have the 3/8" ID hose that you need to use the MCW6000 waterblock.

the MCW6002 has 1/2" barbs, for use with 1/2" ID hose, however bigfoot doesn't have that one in stock for a64, and the 6000 is on clearance since swiftech is moving to the apogee for their main stream block.

don't sell the MCW600 short, even in you mind: it works really well with low powered pumps like the 1200 and is being phased out because of its relatively high production costs.
 
I read some reviews about the block, however, I posted a WTB thread on RedFlagDeals, hopefully someone there has one, or something similar for cheap, but since it's only $40 I think I might just order it as soon as I can.
 
@ CRXican Its just a Black Ice Xtreme. I had to do a hell of a lot of cutting to get it mounted like that in my case, but I like it. But after doing this build, I really don't like using a 1/4" GPU block in a larger bore loop, the line reducers don't look too nice, but oh well, it serves its purpose very well. Just use www.pricegrabber.com to find the cheapest powerstream. Don't remember off hand where I got mine.

So Borg you think you're gonna just move the videocard and use the second slot? What chipset block options have you considered?

WC002.jpg
 
Thanks, I had a feeling it wouldn't be easy, I have a CoolerMaster Centurion 5 and had considered that spot. I'll likely pick up a Swiftech radbox and a BIP2 to hang off the back. I'm not really the modder so drilling two holes is about as far as I'm willing to go. Space is at a premium in these little mid towers though, hope to mount the pump where you have it.
 
Sorry for the threadcrapping, but it seems the PM system is down? Atleast its not working for me. Yeah, I really like that spot for the pump, but notice I also did a fair amount of cutting to get the outlet recessed into the cage. Though you could still put the pump there without any cutting, it'll just stick out a bit. But I must say, the top cover of a floppy drive works perfectly as a mounting plate to put the pump on inside the cage. Hope I could be of some help.
 
It's not thread crapping it's thread jacking. I might end up PMing you. I'm a total WC noob, right now I'm in posession of a Storm CPU block and a Maze 4 GPU block. It will be magic finishing it off and getting it installed.
 
MonoDestro said:
So Borg you think you're gonna just move the videocard and use the second slot? What chipset block options have you considered?
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Not sure yet...

But I just ordered the Swiftech block and tubing, I'm short a few bucks for the Radiator :(

I'm betting this will take me a month or so to get the rest of the money Hehe.. Oh well, I can stare at it's shiney spot all day :)
 
Well, just to let you know, you will see no performance hit from running on the 8x bus. The only problem would be if your GPU block was too thick and you needed both PCI slots, one reason why I really like this Koolance block, despite being 1/4". But there are also a few special blocks made now that will actually fit under the card, see http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=991521 It all depends on money and space of course.

And CRX, I really don't have that much WC experience, this is my first build and its actually still in progress, but if you have any questions about my setup I'd be glad to help.
 
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