Toyota Will Electrify Entire Vehicle Lineup by 2025

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  1. Megalith

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    Toyota, who sold more cars than any other automaker in four of the past five years, is making its big move to EVs: it says by 2025, every model in the Toyota and Lexus line-up will be available in one of these forms, meaning that the number of models offered without some kind of electric drivetrain will be exactly zero.

    At the heart of its newly unveiled EV strategy is a heightened focus on its hybrid electric vehicles (HEVs), plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), battery electric vehicles (BEVs), and fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs). It plans to introduce more than 10 new battery electric vehicles in the early 2020s, and expand its fuel cell lineup of passenger and commercial vehicles throughout the decade as well.
     
  2. Twisted Kidney

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    Until they make a new car that burns coal Toyota is communist.
     
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    This really isn't a huge risk for Toyota. If they have an electric drive-train that can power any of their cars, it wouldn't be too difficult to slap that into the basic frame. To make EV "available" wouldn't even mean they need large production numbers, in case they don't sell well.

    Electric cars and the infrastructure requirements for them are a bit of a chicken and egg scenario, but it is a growing market, so it will be interesting to see if the infrastructure grows as well, giving more people the option to purchase.
     
  4. nutzo

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    Hopefully these won't be me-too type tiny cars and will be bigger than a Prius.
     
  5. mnewxcv

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    It's all vehicles. So that means 4runner, Tacoma, tundra, highlander etc. Lexus too. Maybe an opportunity for an affordable yet fast hybrid lexus sports coupe.
     
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    Hopefully that means a few more sub $30K electric vehicles.
     
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    Is that going to be a new anti-theft system? :D
     
  8. PantherBlitz

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    So Toyota wants all of their models to get crushed after 10 years when owners balk at replacing the battery?
     
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    Like microsoft (win xp, win 7) they may be put off at how many of their combustion engines people are still clinging on to since they'll never die XD. And there's NO WAY IN FK that 3rd world countries will be going all electric anytime soon.
     
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    "Toyota will electrify entire lineup by 2025"
    Sounds exciting...said no one ever. Then again, the words Toyota and exciting haven't been in the same sentence in a long time anyway.
     
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    I will believe the Tundra and Tacoma as electric vehicles when I see it.
     
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    We still have a few family vacations in which we drive about 6-8 hours away. The one place we could technically fly part way - but by the time you get to the airport, fly, then get a rental car to drive to the destination, you might as well just have driven. In my car now, I probably fill my tank up 3-4 times on the way. In an electric car, will I be able to do some type of fast charge on the way up? Can't do a "sorry kids, we have 6 hours while the car is charging". (I have no clue how accurate I am on charge times - could be totally wrong.)
    For driving around town, electric cars are actually kind of cool. I was in a Tesla on a recent trip to Vegas - nice! For my daily commute, it would totally work (except for the price tag...)
    I'm not against electric cars - just wondering if the infrastructure is ready yet. I also think they are still too expensive.
     
  13. gwarren007

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    I still think a diesel electric hybrid is the near future for longer distances.
     
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    Sign me up for a 2024 4Runner "Classic" then.
     
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    ill stick with my "cash 4 clunkers" survivors thank you very much...
     
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    They're not saying a fully electric lineup. They're saying every vehicle will have an electric/hybrid option. They aren't getting rid of internal combustion engines.
     
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    lol i can tell you've never been in an EV
     
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    Oh but I have. My boss owns a Tesla Model S. They're neat, but not exciting when you think about how customizable and modifiable the combustion powerplants are in many vehicles. Things like displacement, forced induction, fuel types, tuning, etc etc all become irrelevant with EV power. In fact, there's an entire automotive industry that's reliant on the fact that cars on the road today are powered by combustion engines.
     
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    Hate to break it to you but raw acceleration isn't the only thing that makes cars exciting. Yes EVs can have incredible acceleration but the overall experience is more like riding a theme park ride than the experience of a high powered fuel driven vehicle. There are just things about a 500+bhp ice that EVs cannot reproduce.
     
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    That's obviously not going to happen.
     
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    I want a hybrid with a 6 speed manual, with a real clutch. I bet that would be an interesting experience even if it is less efficient than a CVT
     
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    More importantly, not every EV is a $100k Tesla Model S P100D+SUPER_PLAID with the ability to blast down the road from 0-60 in X.X seconds. Many are just slow, boring, overpriced cars, like the Honda Fit EV. I'll even come out and say the Nissan Leaf is a better EV than that, and it isn't fast, quick, or in any way exciting.
     
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    Im glad they are moving in this direction, but i agree, Toyota has been so freaking boring, its tear inducing... Clearly they made boring an art, that sells i guess.
     
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    What about the Mirai, C-HR and the new Camry?

    If you mean reliable = boring, then I agree with you. But then this is the good kind of boring for me.
    If I could choose between having to delve into a car's engine compartment or fiddle with its software, I'd definitely choose the latter.

    I helped my father many times when he was working on his cars. It was no fun for me and I could tell that he was not having fun either.
    We prefer cars which are economical, reliable, comfortable and practical. Even so, we have never even owned the same brand of cars.

    Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that driving a muscle car is tons of fun. However, the amount of work and money required to keep it running is just not making sense for me.
    Not to mention that muscle cars have been a niche market for decades. So, these steps from carmakers are understandable.
     
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    ^ this.

    I am a huge Tacoma fan. I like taking mine hunting where there would be no place to charge em up for miles. Maybe there will be a day where I take extra batteries instead of extra gas?

    It will be fun to see what actually happens.
     
  26. nutzo

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    I agree. I want a car that I can drive for 10+ years with nothing more than fuel, fluid changes, tires and maybe brakes.

    Had my last Toyota Camry for 10 year, and it was never in the shop other than normal maintenance.
    Had a few minor problems (Bad relay & a failing motor mount) that I was able to take care of.

    However, I don't like the newer "edgy" Toyota designs, or that they seem to think everyone wants a Sunroof (even if it reduces the headroom)
    My last 3 cars have been Toyota's, but if I had to replace my current car, I'm not sure I would buy any of their current offerings.
     
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    You make it sound like it isn't possible? There have already been hybrid trucks. They may not have sold well or had limited releases but they do exist. The next generation will be better, and then better again. I'd agree that pure electric is farther out but it will happen. Too many companies have sunk money into it and more are doing so every day. I find it hard to believe so many people would be investing in it if it wasn't likely to happen.

    I for one would love to replace my taco for a hybrid version. My truck usage is very much on the lighter side these days and don't need to move as much as I have in the past. I like trucks, so even if I never need the bed again I don't think I'd buy a car.
     
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    We actually rent a van or suv for those occasions. It pencils out to be cheaper. That way we don't have to pay for insurance, depreciation, and gas guzzling of a big vehicle that won't be used that much, especially after the kids leave.
     
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    Until the price of electric vehicles and/or replacement batteries come down to an affordable level, I'm not interested. Electric vehicles have very little "savings" over fuel efficient gas burning vehicles. Batteries still need charging and electricity still costs money (granted, much less). Also, batteries have a limited life cycle and will expire whether the car is driven or not. By the time the EV batteries need replacing, the vehicle typically isn't worth the expense. No thanks, I will stick with my fuel efficient gas burning vehicle for now. Then again, I'm not your typical American. Instead of buying a new 40K vehicle every 2-5 years and commuting 75+ miles a day , I buy fuel efficient/used 10K vehicles every 10 - 15 years and commute ~16 miles a day. Sure, I don't drive the coolest car on the block, but it gets me from point A to B just as fast (legally), and I have plenty of extra money to "invest" into things that make money instead of lose money.
     
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    I don't know how a stick shift trans would come into play in an EV with wheel based motors. I don't think any EV or hybrid uses a standard trans anymore. Maybe something exotic.
     
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    and that entire industry will disappear as ice vehicles do, like the horse drawn carriage industry of old.
    Rly all that tuning is just added cost. The silent power is so much better than the deafening noise
     
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    like what? Harmful pollutants? Deafening sound? Constant vibtations?
     
  33. Dekoth-E-

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    You pretty clearly hate cars so I don't believe there is any understanding we are going to reach.
     
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    My 2010 Corolla (which started life as a rental before I bought it from Enterprise in Feb 2012) has needed nothing but tires, break pads, spark plugs, oil and air filters, oil, battery, transmission fluid, and gas. I average 33MPG during the winter and 35MPG during the summer. It may not be fast, flashy or cool looking but man does it get me where I need to go without issues. I could keep it for another 10 years before having to do anything major on it.
     
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    Think about the possibilities. When battery range grows (some "next gen" electric vehicles are going to have a lot of range ) you could stop at the last supercharger/charging station prior to your camping spot, and then once you are there, you have full access to days worth of electric power for your campsite, no noisy generator required.
     
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    Electric can suck it
     
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  37. Epic|

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    See the post above
     
  38. Epic|

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    My hybrid has a 5 speed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    It's more efficient than the CVT version
     
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    Yeah, all the things non estrogen enhanced men want in their vehicles. Absolutely.
     
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    Woops, I meant full electric, not hybrid. Think it'd be cool rowing through some gears with an electric motor on the other side of the tranny.