TN vs IPS panels? What's the difference?

This topic is so subjective I don't see a ready solution to the problem. Not only is it difficult to convince the layman of the benefits of a higher-quality panel, you simply can't depict it properly online unless you've seen it with your own eyes.

I've come from a 20" E207WFP TN panel that I've used for two years before I got my 2407WFP. The difference between the two is night and day and I do not see myself coming back to TN any time soon. That's just my individual case, but this also varies with panel quality, manufacturer, and the presence (or lack thereof) of manufacturing defects, such as backlighting.
 
TN panels today are light years ahead of just a few years ago. Do you game on your 2407? Don't you get a whole lotta blurring? Just asking.
 
No, not that I can notice. I'm still fragging away in games like Counter-Strike Source just fine. :)
 
The reviews I read on my old Sammy 215TW (s-pva) said it was fine for gaming. They lied!

Some reviews complained of input lag but that I didn't notice. The blurring though was a big problem. When I switched over to a 24" LG TN a month ago, the difference was so big, it felt like I was gaming on a CRT. My scoring on TF2 (my time played is measured in weeks :eek:) skyrocketed.
 
From my reading you cant even browse the web comfortably with these IPS monitors because they have wide gamuts and colours on pictures on the web look awefull.

Most people out there would browse the web quite a lot, so in my opinion they are clearly not worth the exta cash unless you work with graphics and need the wide gamut.
 
blah111 said:
From my reading you cant even browse the web comfortably with these IPS monitors because they have wide gamuts and colours on pictures on the web look awefull.

Most people out there would browse the web quite a lot, so in my opinion they are clearly not worth the exta cash unless you work with graphics and need the wide gamut.
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Wide gamut is not an 'issue'. It's something you have to be aware of and you have to use applications and/or an OS which can use it. Windows 7 for example is wide-gamut aware and will handle it gracefully.

Don't blame the hardware for a feature you don't understand.
 
I do understand it, Im just saying for most users who dont use graphics, the monitor will cause annoyance when it comes to web browsing etc
 
blah111 said:
I do understand it, Im just saying for most users who dont use graphics, the monitor will cause annoyance when it comes to web browsing etc
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It's a feature one should be aware of, yes. Fortunately most wide gamut displays allow one to set it to standard gamut mode via the OSD.
 
Yes it does looks better a tiny bit (you cant really reduce the wide gamut) except on the new dell monitor.
 
IPS are used in Plasma TVs and TN are used in every LCD display.

this is why Plasmas have incredibly viewing angles and color reproduction. Integrated Plasma System
 
p4gs said:
IPS are used in Plasma TVs and TN are used in every LCD display.

this is why Plasmas have incredibly viewing angles and color reproduction. Integrated Plasma System
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NO. WRONG.

There are three kinds of LCD displays: TN, VA and IPS. IPS stands for In-Plane Switching.

Plasma TVs use a completely different technology than LCDs.
 
blah111 said:
From my reading you cant even browse the web comfortably with these IPS monitors because they have wide gamuts and colours on pictures on the web look awefull.

Most people out there would browse the web quite a lot, so in my opinion they are clearly not worth the exta cash unless you work with graphics and need the wide gamut.
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Well you can always reduce the color intensity (both via the monitor's RGB-controls as well as via graphic card drivers). In my opinion the wide gamut issue is a bit overblown. +90% of all monitors come with colors that are way off from the start anyway.


p4gs said:
IPS are used in Plasma TVs and TN are used in every LCD display.

this is why Plasmas have incredibly viewing angles and color reproduction. Integrated Plasma System
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You serious or just trolling? :p:p
IPS'es have worse viewing angles than plasmas, IPS is just a sub-genre/panel type of the LCD technology.
 
nah dudes, IPS = Plasma

srsly i work at best buy and sell these things all the time

(sorry, I'm just messing around. It's a lazy sunday and I'm bored :p)
 
I didn't really think the difference between TN and IPS would be much. I always knew TN panels had bad viewing angles, but I thought as long as you sit directly infront, there would be no problem. I recently had a chance to use a 23" LG 2353 for a week. It's a 1080p TN panel. I could see colorshift even when sitting directly infront of the monitor and it gets worse depending on how I sit. Sometimes I slouch in my chair a little and that affects the color as well. I think the only way you can get no colorshift is if you perfectly align yourself with the monitor and stay that way. However, for gaming the monitor was fine, the colorshift wasn't as noticeable and I actually prefer it to my current 20" nec ips panel. It's only when browsing the internet and looking at high res porno pics, the TN panel was bad.
 
Skunt said:
I didn't really think the difference between TN and IPS would be much. I always knew TN panels had bad viewing angles, but I thought as long as you sit directly infront, there would be no problem. I recently had a chance to use a 23" LG 2353 for a week. It's a 1080p TN panel. I could see colorshift even when sitting directly infront of the monitor and it gets worse depending on how I sit. Sometimes I slouch in my chair a little and that affects the color as well. I think the only way you can get no colorshift is if you perfectly align yourself with the monitor and stay that way. However, for gaming the monitor was fine, the colorshift wasn't as noticeable and I actually prefer it to my current 20" nec ips panel. It's only when browsing the internet and looking at high res porno pics, the TN panel was bad.
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Good viewing angles are necessary for viewing the monitor from the front first of all.
TN distorts colors from any point of view including from the front.
It's not a problem for not demanding users.
It's a big problem for demanding users.
 
Color shifting isn't an issue or me w/my TN panel as far as horizontal viewing angles is concerned... Vertical is another matter, much more noticeable in that regard. Can't really lean back on my chair and watch a TV show w/o noticing it, so I still use my CRT sometimes for that or when I'm laying on the bed (since half the shows aren't shot in widescreen anyway).
 
albovin said:
IPS allows practically same viewing angles as CRT or plasma.
IPS color/detail accuracy is superior to plasma.

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LOL, come on man, I love IPS tech but there is only ONE LCD that offers those kinds of viwing angles, not IPS in general. Not including the 26" variants due to uniformity issues.
 
evilsofa said:
Use Firefox 3.5 or later, and activate its CMM:

http://omgili.com/jmp/SEMpReyPU46rf...A8La4RJB_PrDBFp_9rSz_UDLZo8kWgezGQydwRDMCKw--

As far as I can tell, Internet Explorer 8, even in Win 7, is not color aware. Am I wrong about this? We need to make a sticky post about wide gamut issues, but I don't feel qualified to make that post.
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IE8 and Win7 in general are not color managed.

Firefox profile support is pretty much fucked. Too bad, since it used to work in 3.0, but apparently they thought it was a good idea to break it in 3.5.
 
Elledan said:
It's a feature one should be aware of, yes. Fortunately most wide gamut displays allow one to set it to standard gamut mode via the OSD.
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Most affordable wide gamut screens have horrible sRGB modes, except (possibly) the Dell U2410.

Maybe the new LCD2690WUXI2 has a usable sRGB mode/preset with calibration, but that is still not known fully. I am just going on what Will from NEC has said here and elsewhere, that, at minimum, the white color temperature can be calibrated. I know the sRGB mode on my LCD2690WUXI leaves a lot to be desired, even with mock calibration by SpectraView II.

vick1000 said:
LOL, come on man, I love IPS tech but there is only ONE LCD that offers those kinds of viwing angles, not IPS in general. Not including the 26" variants due to uniformity issues.
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Well, two of them > NEC LCD2490WUXI and 2690WUXI, which are both now basically end-of-lifed, as is the A-TW polarized panel that they use until further notice from LG it seems.

The 27" S-PVA panel in my Dell 2709W had visibly better off-angle black levels than my Dell 2209WA eIPS due to white glow, and as good if not a little better than my NEC LCD2690WUXI in my opinion.
 
Bought an IPS monitor. Can't tell the difference. I'm the type that can't tell the difference between good quality sound either so maybe I just don't care that much. Now I'm annoyed because the IPS panel is 1080p and doesn't line up with my 1920x1200 panels. Also HP f'ed up and doesn't have the VESA bracket that was advertised as included. I mean they don't even have it in stock to sell it to me separately. I bought it intending to rotate it, now it doesn't fit my desk. arrgggg IPS is over hyped IMHO. I'd only buy IPS if it was the same price or cheaper than the equivalent TN panel.

Sry if this was necroed. -_-
 
vo_danh said:
Bought an IPS monitor. Can't tell the difference. I'm the type that can't tell the difference between good quality sound either so maybe I just don't care that much. Now I'm annoyed because the IPS panel is 1080p and doesn't line up with my 1920x1200 panels. Also HP f'ed up and doesn't have the VESA bracket that was advertised as included. I mean they don't even have it in stock to sell it to me separately. I bought it intending to rotate it, now it doesn't fit my desk. arrgggg IPS is over hyped IMHO. I'd only buy IPS if it was the same price or cheaper than the equivalent TN panel.

Sry if this was necroed. -_-
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IPS is not even close to overhyped. Sounds like you are unhappy though, so you should return it. The lack of a VESA mount is also a deal breaker IMO.
 
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