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Time for a new mouse. Help?

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niomosy

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It seems finding a mouse is going to be harder than I originally expected.

I'm coming from a G5 as a mostly palm user / occasional finger tip user. For me, the G5 has worked out well with both. The main problem is, the buttons are getting a bit problematic to push at times and causing me pain.

What I'm shooting ideally is a 7-button non-ambidextrous mouse. 2 of those 7 buttons being for DPI increase/decrease. A middle mouse button that's not as painful to try to use as the G5's as well (or at least some alternative button I can easily use for middle-click as I make pretty regular use of it).

Thus far, I've tried a DA2013 and am currently playing with a Steelseries Sensei.

The DA2013 felt a bit small for a palm grip and even Razer's guide lists it as more of a claw grip. I didn't particularly find it comfortable. The thumb buttons also seemed a bit off for me. I never made it to plugging in before returning.

The Sensei is not quite my thing either. The dpi low/high button is nice and the thumb buttons are nice. I do wish it had a higher arch on it. I find myself palming it less and going more for fingertips. It's not quite as comfortable as I'd hoped for a palm grip and very wide.

Right now I'm looking at a number of options. Logitech seems to be having problems galore even on the mostly-good G400s (mainly cord issues). Honestly, given my G5 has been fine since buying it in 2006 I may just try and hope that the G400s really is easier to middle-click and the cord won't give me any problems (I do leave lots of slack on my desk). Other considerations right now are the Razer Mamba (seems more palm-grip suited but really pricey), Razer Taipan, and possibly a Logitech G700s or such (the G602 looks interesting but would leave me with the G5 until it comes out). The Razer Imperator looked good but the PTE sensor has me concerned. Otherwise it actually looks like a mouse right up my alley. Shame no one has it locally.

Recommendations? I'm probably going to look at the Taipan next as it's available locally and try to go from there.
 
I'd say that you should give the G500s, which is an upgraded G500, a try.

I moved from a G5 to the G500 (G5 scroll wheel starting to die) and am now alternately testing both the old G5 and a spare MX518 (G500 was double left clicking already).

My comments on having used all these mice:

Trying the G500 after 4-5 years of G5 use
- G500 felt flimsier at the start but got used to it. It's probably because the G500 shell was larger and therefore had some hollow areas inside OR the plastic texturing helped make it feel that way.
- The scroll wheel on the G500 <3

Trying the G5 after 1.5 years of G500 use
- G500 is a wee bit taller and the thumbrest is in a better position. G500 more comfortable.
- G5 scrollwheel feels imprecise, and I'm missing the G500 DPI button locations.

Trying the MX518 after 1.5 years of G500 use
- Thumb begins to hurt a little because of G5 similar thumbrest and smaller mouse size. I prefer the G500 size/shape.
- Sensor in the middle of the mouse instead of being off center took a week or two getting used to.
- I prefer the G500 scrollwheel and DPI buttons.

If you didn't like the DeathAdder, go for the G500s. It uses the same sensor as the Taipan but in a G500 shape. Skip the G500 non-s. Poor quality.
** if you get the G500s, make sure you update it to the latest firmware to fix sensor lag issues.
 
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I recommend you don't listen to anyone who has only used Logitech (this is not exactly a jab at the poster before me, but just that people in general always recommend Logitech Logitech and more Logitech in mice threads). People who stick to Logitech almost always do so solely because it's the known option, like people who buy Bose audio (yeah, I went there).

You could add Mionix to your list. I went from a Logitech MX1000 to a Mionix Naos 3200 and it's soooo comfortable at least in my hand. MUCH more so than literally ANY other mouse I have used. The MX1000 was by far the best of any Logitech I've tried including some (though not all) of their newer models.
 
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I was originally considering a Mionix but I've been reading some issues. I may have to re-evaluate and see how that goes.

I will say one thing about Logitech, I do love their mouse shapes. That said I'm not stuck to them and given some of the problems they've been having lately, I'm certainly happy to look elsewhere.
 
Kone XTD sounds like a great fit for you.

In the last two years I've tried: imperator, DA, DA2013, Mamba 2012, Mionix Naos 3200, G400, Corsair M60, Sensei and XTD.

I have larger hands and prefer a palm grip for everyday use, claw while gaming. DA is great. Mamba 2012 is even nicer with higher quality parts. Sensei sat too low for me. Didn't care for the Naos very much (felt cheap). XTD is awesome for palm grip, super high quality.

I myself love both the Mamba 2012 and the XTD.
 
I'm really eying the Mamba to be honest. I just wish they made a wired-only equivalent. The DA2013 probably would be great were I a claw/fingertip gripper but even for gaming I generally favor a palm grip. The lack of DPI buttons was bothering me a little as well.

You're dead on with the Sensei sitting too low. I felt it quickly and once I did a comparison with the G5 I could really see the difference.
 
I prefer a smaller mouse so the Sensei isnt that bad too me and one of my favorites but youre right that it is pretty small and guys that like a bigger mouse arent going to like it. Same with the DeathAdder. I think that is the most comfortable mouse on the market. I bought the 2013 edition too and think it has a better sensor but I like the smooth finish of the 3.5G version. Its pretty much the perfect mouse for my hand. But if you like a bigger and taller mouse then its probably not going to be for you.

The G500 might be something youd like as well as the G700. I think the G700 is more comfortable and so that would be the one Id recommend. Its wireless but will also work wired and works just as well wireless as it does wired. Battery life isnt that bad but not that great. Youll get 6-8 hours out of it more than likely.
 
Their is to many options , why don't you surf around and see what you want depending if you grasp or claw grip your mouse. I like my G9x i can use it both ways.
 
dandragonrage said:
I recommend you don't listen to anyone who has only used Logitech (this is not exactly a jab at the poster before me, but just that people in general always recommend Logitech Logitech and more Logitech in mice threads). People who stick to Logitech almost always do so solely because it's the known option, like people who buy Bose audio (yeah, I went there).

You could add Mionix to your list. I went from a Logitech MX1000 to a Mionix Naos 3200 and it's soooo comfortable at least in my hand. MUCH more so than literally ANY other mouse I have used. The MX1000 was by far the best of any Logitech I've tried including some (though not all) of their newer models.
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Does Mionix make mice with without 10 buttons? I always recommend Logitech because I can count on the to make 3-4 button mice.
 
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I've stuck with Logitech as well, on my second MX518. The main reason has been customer service. If I was confident that other companies would have excellent customer service I would consider trying them.
 
ZodaEX said:
Does Mionix make mice with without 10 buttons? I always recommend Logitech because I can count on the to make 3-4 button mice.
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Personally, I'm a fan of lots of buttons. DPI increase/decrease, left/right/middle, plus thumb buttons are my standard. Though I understand some don't really want all that many. For me, the main 3 are a must and the thumb buttons come in quite handy for web browsing.
 
Running a G700s right now that I got when returning the Sensei. I'd have walked out with a Mamba had Best Buy stocked them. Fry's was a bit of a drive and we needed to get the kids to bed so Logitech gets another shot.

It's not bad. I'm not positive that it's great but I've been having fun with switching between the two forms of the scroll wheel. Having media controls on the other two thumb buttons is nice.

I'm not honestly going to be able to give it much of a test drive tonight as tomorrow's an early day but I'm considering it. I'll do some gaming tomorrow night and see how I like it. Not fully sure how the G buttons on by the left mouse button are going to turn out for me. So far they're not in the way but we'll see.

The one slightly odd thing is the somewhat sandpaper grip on the sides.

More tomorrow. Looks like Fry's carries the XTD should I decide to give that a try.
 
The Roccat Kone Pure Optical might be good for you if a closer to 1:1 tracking ratio or more consistency versus the Avago 9500 and 9800 sensor based mice is what you want.
 
L4d said:
The Roccat Kone Pure Optical might be good for you if a closer to 1:1 tracking ratio or more consistency versus the Avago 9500 and 9800 sensor based mice is what you want.
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I have both the roccat kone pure, and kone pure optical and wanted to give a word of caution regarding the optical version.

I took this picture yesterday, the mouse is still functioning as if it is contacting the pad at this height:

If you don't mind that then it's a great mouse, if like me it drives you insane go for the regular kone pure. It's the best mouse i've ever had, and i have a considerable "mouse problem." However, you said you like to palm your mice and I have a fingertip grip, the XTD is probably still the mouse for you. (I have that as well, too big for my grip but great otherwise).

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I recently upgraded from a G5 to the XTD and I haven't regretted it at all. It is a bit expensive but the quality is unparalleled. Now my XTD is attached to my primary gaming rig and my 4 G5's are delegated to backup duty on my other systems.
 
Went from a Logitech to a Deathadder and never looked back.
Even kept my Logitech plugged in so I could fall back to it if I didn't like the DA. It just never gets used because the DA is a really superior mouse aside from lacking the hyperscroll wheel.
 
Zoson said:
Went from a Logitech to a Deathadder and never looked back.
Even kept my Logitech plugged in so I could fall back to it if I didn't like the DA. It just never gets used because the DA is a really superior mouse aside from lacking the hyperscroll wheel.
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The DA would probably be a great mouse were I exclusively claw/fingertip gripping it. When trying to palm grip it, it was too small.

Ironically I find that the G700s seems to really want to push a palm grip and I have a tendency to hybrid grip or go more toward a finger grip or only have a small portion of my palm resting on the mouse. It doesn't quite work as well there. Not sure yet how big an issue it is for me and whether or not it's something I'll just adapt to.

Worst case, the Mamba and XTD are available locally so, yay, I can avoid waiting for a mouse to ship.
 
Another vote for the XTD here. I've had it for a couple months and it really is a nice mouse. Bigger and much better than a mx518, but that was the point of replacing it. :)
 
Looks like I may try the XTD out this weekend, then. I'm not entirely sold on the G700s yet. My daughter's given the G700s the thumbs down, mostly for the somewhat rough texture.
 
So the G700s just went back tonight, finally. I stopped by Fry's right before closing and couldn't find the XTD anywhere despite the site saying they had them in stock. This is going to be a challenge with Fry's, it seems. Hopefully I can go when they're not right at closing and get someone to look it up.

On a side note, how similar in shape is the XTD to the Kone + ?? They did have those and from guesstimating with the mouse still under the plastic, it does seem a pretty reasonable shape on the Kone +.
 
To solve the problem with my DA being too small, I piled some sugru on the top to make it more palm friendly.
http://sugru.com/
Too big is not fixable. Too small is easily fixable.
 
Zoson said:
To solve the problem with my DA being too small, I piled some sugru on the top to make it more palm friendly.
http://sugru.com/
Too big is not fixable. Too small is easily fixable.
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Heh. I knew digital artists that were doing something like this with modeling clay on their SGI mice to get them more ergonomic.
 
niomosy said:
I'm really eying the Mamba to be honest. I just wish they made a wired-only equivalent. The DA2013 probably would be great were I a claw/fingertip gripper but even for gaming I generally favor a palm grip. The lack of DPI buttons was bothering me a little as well.
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I found a work around to control DPI on DA2013 via assinging scroll wheel's click to change it. You can set 2 to 5 stage DPI changing... It works very well in BF3... :D
 
The mice I have my eye on right now are the Corsair Raptor M40, CM Spawn, Zowie AM/FK. I know there's a ton of great gaming mice out there, but I'm concerned about acceleration and prediction problems. I don't even actively play games anymore, but these are the mice I would consider getting right now as a short list.

Edit:// I wish that switch travel time was better documented on mice, because the reports are fairly anecdotal. E2:// I claw grip for what it's worth.
 
dandragonrage said:
I recommend you don't listen to anyone who has only used Logitech (this is not exactly a jab at the poster before me, but just that people in general always recommend Logitech Logitech and more Logitech in mice threads). People who stick to Logitech almost always do so solely because it's the known option, like people who buy Bose audio (yeah, I went there)..
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not buying another logitech anytime soon, expensive mouse with cheapass switches.
 
nekrosoft13 said:
not buying another logitech anytime soon, expensive mouse with cheapass switches.
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I've had a Logitech G9x for about 4 years now, and this thing is a tank. I have travelled like 5000km with this mouse, and used it like you wouldn't believe, and it has zero problems to this day. That's actually the biggest reason I haven't purchased one of the mice I mentioned in my previous post.
 
crABtoad said:
I've had a Logitech G9x for about 4 years now, and this thing is a tank. I have travelled like 5000km with this mouse, and used it like you wouldn't believe, and it has zero problems to this day. That's actually the biggest reason I haven't purchased one of the mice I mentioned in my previous post.
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Logitech's more recent mice haven't had quite the same reviews as their older mice. That's why a lot of people are looking to avoid them and why mice like the XTD seem to come up regularly for recommendation as an alternative.
 
The G400 and the G9x are the only Logitech mice I've used in the last 20 years or so, and they're both excellent. I suspect there are some sensor gripes with the G9x, but I've never really noticed them (probably some hardware acceleration on the laser).

Hypothetically, if I were to buy a mouse tomorrow it would be a Zowie FK, CM Spawn, or Corsair Raptor M40...the 2013 Razer Death Adder is supposed to be excellent as well, but I have no love for the company.

E:// after thinking about it, the scroll wheel on my G9x would be the biggest thing I would miss if I were to get a different mouse; the little gear in it still works after four years of abuse.
 
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niomosy said:
I was originally considering a Mionix but I've been reading some issues. I may have to re-evaluate and see how that goes.
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What issues are you speaking of? I've had a Mionix Naos 5200 for a couple years now and it's been the best mouse I've EVER had. And I've had a LOT.
 
TheGamerZ said:
What issues are you speaking of? I've had a Mionix Naos 5200 for a couple years now and it's been the best mouse I've EVER had. And I've had a LOT.
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Could have sworn I read about product quality / sensor issues on it.
 
crABtoad said:
I've had a Logitech G9x for about 4 years now, and this thing is a tank. I have travelled like 5000km with this mouse, and used it like you wouldn't believe, and it has zero problems to this day. That's actually the biggest reason I haven't purchased one of the mice I mentioned in my previous post.
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I don't know where you get your luck, but my G9 clicker failed on me in 1.5 years and the replacement G9x they sent me failed in just less than 1 year. If you google the issue, every single mouse that Logitech has made in recent days has had microswitch issues except the as yet untested S series. Razer is even worse if google is to be believed.

The only reasons to get Logitech are:
1) Ridiculously awesome replacement warranty service - but you basically know you're going to need it
2) Buttons! All the other gaming mice brands have so much fewer buttons!
3) Hyperscroll mouse wheel which isn't even used for gaming but is just awesome in general

I would have moved from Logitech already if it weren't for these factors (mainly #1)
 
Weird, not sure what to tell you. The only two problems with my G9x after 4 years of abuse is that the external grip squeaks sometimes and the woven cable wrap is a little chewed up (understandably so). I assumed this was par for the course with G9x mice, everyone seems to praise them as being indestructible.

That being said, this is my last Logitech peripheral. They stagnated as a company years ago, and this just happens to be the last thing from them I own. They don't seem to have any real agility as a manufacturer these days, simply putting out tired rehashes of things they've made already.
 
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