Threadripper or 3900X - mixed use.

[lopoetve]

this is why my rig is intel/nvidia

And that's why I was leaning towards rebuilding the workstation with Intel as well; my gaming system is Intel based. But, I got it fixed, and now I've got the itch, so I'm debating.

 

[kirbyrj]

I spent almost three months with phantom crashes. Damn right I was punchy about it, especially after the mess my FX-8350 was. .


Also had a really bad experience with their virtualized FirePro cards, but that was first gen MxGPU, and part of it was “read the fine print too.”

the hilarious part is the card that caused the problem works fine for the guy I sold it to, and the 5700XT I bought (and waited a month for) also works fine. It just hated the mix.

I bought the card...lol. And it works like a champ .

Anyway, IIRC, it was a random combination of 1st gen Zen with an MSI X370(?) board. I had a lot of random issues with 1st gen Ryzen in general that are no longer present with Zen 2. I don't find any of them to be any less stable than an Intel system per se.

I think after using a mix of both in the past month, the best way I can sum it up is to say that they are "different." Ryzen tends to be more memory sensitive and any flaw with the memory speed/timings is going to throw it off. In my experience, I find Intel silicon to vary widely in terms of overclocking capability, so the tweaking is more directly related to the CPU rather than the memory. Generally, a CPU blue screen or crash is easier to diagnose and fix because it's a matter of whether or not the CPU is capable or not at certain speeds/voltages. With AMD memory tweaking, it could appear completely stable and then crash for no apparent reason. The memory controller on Zen 2 is significantly improved compared to 1st gen.

AMD/Nvidia graphics? That's a whole different ball game .

 

[kirbyrj]

3xxx CPUs are night and day compared to a 1700/x370 combo

 

[DeChache]

I will find out this weekend. Picking up a 3900X and X470 board from a friend... I also belong to the camp of selling my 1600/B350 combo for an intel box. So we shall see.

 

[DeChache]

Should have it mostly running this weekend it will be end of next week before its at full speed. I live in BFE and shipping times are a bit long right now (cooler and GPU are lagging)... I can pull the 5700XT out of game rig and use the stock cooler worst case. Like OP this machine is going to be my workstation.

 

[lopoetve]

You know what? Let’s flip this around. Between now and this time next year, let’s say I’m going to rebuild both systems.

1700+X370 -> ?

6700K+Z170 mATX -> ?

one is a workstation, used as above. The other is a gaming system, 1440P@165hz and VR.

ONE of the two should be a balls out, fuck it all type of build. Not 3990X type of hardware, but the dream system you’d always want to build for that use case. The other should be high end but reasonable (like what I have now). Assume over clocking on one, not on the other (0probably not on the workstation).

Would prefer one Intel and one AMD, but willing to listen to alternatives.

Assume RTX 3XXX for the gaming system at 165hz 1440p

Workstation needs 8-10 USB and 4x NVMe, and at least 16 threads.

AIO on one, water or AIO on the insane box

Which would you spend the cash on? Monitors and graphics cards are picked. Gaming box gets 32G, workstation 64.

 

[thesmokingman]

Workstation needs 8-10 USB and 4x NVMe, and at least 16 threads.

4x nvme... like an array or singles?



Not many platforms support bifurication like threadripper and on intel side hedt.

 

[DeChache]

For me at least workstation gets the big box. I would ideally have the 24/32c threadripper with 128gb of ram and something like the 10900K with the 3080ti. I've been doing a lot of software builds and AI/DL/ML experimentation. It will do some video editing/encoding too.

I was going to go threadripper with a 10600K and whatever next gen card comes out in the fall. As of now we will see how I feel about the 3900X before I build the new game rig this fall. For as much as I game the 6700/5700XT combo is good enough for the moment.

 

[lopoetve]

4x nvme... like an array or singles?

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Not many platforms support bifurication like threadripper and on intel side hedt.

Singles. Most of the x570 boards I'm looking at can handle that. Will also be a 4x SATA-SSD array for longer term storage, and then I have the two NAS arrays for even longer/NL-SAS speeds. One for Boot, one for games, one for VMs, and one for either video or possibly linux (debating if the video can even use the NVMe).

 

[lopoetve]

Well, if you’re prepared to wait, I would see what AMD comes out with in Q3-Q4, and pair it with nvidia’s rtx 3xxx

That would make the workstation Intel, which seems less interesting.

 

[thesmokingman]

Singles. Most of the x570 boards I'm looking at can handle that. Will also be a 4x SATA-SSD array for longer term storage, and then I have the two NAS arrays for even longer/NL-SAS speeds. One for Boot, one for games, one for VMs, and one for either video or possibly linux (debating if the video can even use the NVMe).

It's not going to be so easy... cuz most boards only have 2 nvme slots. Even if they slap more on there are only so many lanes. It's not a free lunch.

 

[lopoetve]

Dumb question, why not just go a large sized optane and be done with it? (as in pci-e)

'cause?
1. Expensive as hell
2. Latency isn't as critical except on one workload (the VMs)
3. See item 1.

I'd be looking at:
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Optane...ds=optane&qid=1591386697&s=electronics&sr=1-3

Which at $1300, is a bit more than I want to spend on storage for <1TB.

 

[lopoetve]

It's not going to be so easy... cuz most boards only have 2 nvme slots. Even if they slap more on there are only so many lanes. It's not a free lunch.

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The ones I'm looking at have 2 or 3, and the MSI ones come with their PCIE expander with 2 more (for either 4 or 5 total slots). If I end up with a 3-slot system, I'll add a PCIe based blob.