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The Sky is Falling

Even better, apple computer with ATi graphic, AMD CPU, finally we would see some serious games on MAC OS and we will have an alternative other than M$.

Woot! A $10,000 Mac as fast as a $ 4000 PC.
 
You do realize that companise like ATI and Nvidia all ahve multiple teams that work on projects right? For instance, G80 was in the works before G70/G71 was even released, and the 9th series has been in the works since before G80. Companies have to look far ahead into the future to make sure they survive, but thats also why if the competition comes up with some revolutionary, they have little room to change architecture/design.

R700 has been in the pipeline before R600 was even released

Yes, That's true and I know about it. But you missed my point. R&D costs must be supported either way.
R700 being already in development means nothing, when the costs to support that development, must be cut down or suppressed, due to the very precarious financial situation of AMD.
If you're not considering this, you are assuming that R700 is done already and I'm sorry, but that's just wishful thinking. If it was ready, ATI would've done the same thing it did at the time of the R520 debacle. It lived for 3 months and it was replaced by R580.
And then, there's what I mentioned: R700 being based on R600, which should decrease R&D costs. But R600 suffers from a few problems, that require at least a partial re-design of the chip, which really does not fit in such a short time frame.

But were the costs really cut down ? I don't know, but assuming that it's done now, is assuming too much IMO.
If they didn't cut down the costs, then the investment is larger and in AMD's current situation, if the product doesn't succeed they'll be in a far worse situation than the one they are right now.
 
Manny, you should bet against Kyle. Loser gets the whole pink tutu treatment and all :D


Kyle, thanks for clearing things up. I wanted to comment on this story Saturday in a couple of the threads that sprung up, as what the X-Bit article reported was contradictory to my knowledge. But I figured for the off chance something changed without me knowing, I better be safe and double check on Monday before making an ass out of myself :p I can now confirm R700 series still on for 2008.

Ok,if I am wrong I will donate 100 USD in cash,or 5 shares of INTC stock (at todays current trading price of $25.72 , 0.57 (-2.17%) to a charity of Kyles choice in North America.Whatever is worth more at the time,in a years time from right now.

Rules :

It cannot be a paper launch.

It has to have shipped and be in stock @ NCIX (NCIX is pretty close with AMD,being a launch partner and all) by one year ahead of todays date
Monday Decemeber 17th 2007.

No preview/early peek stuff :D

It has to be widely available in brick and mortar stores/Newegg/NCIX. in one years time
from today.


Ok,I cant shake on the deal,as my distance to Texas is pretty far,but I give my word I will pay if wrong.If Kyle is wrong,he has to pay the charity of my choice,a similar amount.I think thats fair. :)


Deal ?

AHEM :p:D

EDIT: Oops, looks like the original bet was on R700. I'll be back in a few weeks ;)
 
In the original bet I actually meant the Rx700 series, as I said "the R700 series". But we'll give Manny a fighting chance and let's just say the actual R700 card :p
 
When is R700 slated to be released now? Is it really August or sometime sooner (hopefully)?
 
Just so everybody remembers what this thread was all about :cool:


While arguably "next-gen" is here in Stoly's case, I will wait till R700 is on the shelves at retailers like is the deal with MannyC.
 
AHEM :p:D

EDIT: Oops, looks like the original bet was on R700. I'll be back in a few weeks ;)
I bet we won't see any mohawk nor any donation guys. It might be a coincidence but I really doubt it. If we don't see any mohawk in a month after the R700 is released, I would suggest a perma ban. ;)
Manny Calavera
Last Activity: 06-20-2008 04:32 PM
 
[H] Mohawk coming 1st week of October as stipulated on original bet.

Just want to know how close it will be from the R700 release.

Hope you don't mind Kyle.
 
*Stoly walks in*

Wife: "OMG, What the hell is that?"
Stoly: "Erm.. well you see, i had a bet on hardforums and.."
Wife: "WHAT? You made a bet on the forums to get a mohawk..? What's with the H..?"
Stoly: "It's a looong story.. you see a year ago.."
Wife: "You made this bet a year ago, and NOW you tell me?"
Stoly: "......"
* Wife walks away*
Stoly: "Think of the kids. :("
 
LOL oh man I can't wait for pics. Post up when you get it. You might make front page HardOCP.
 
I'm a bit lost. Are we talking about the R700 as a "next gen" GPU or as the 4870x2 which is just crossfire-on-a-stick?

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15105
Although this product's code name, R700, follows a naming convention similar to past high-end Radeon GPUs, it's not really a new GPU at all. Instead, it's just two RV770 graphics processors having a party together on one PCB
 
*Stoly walks in*

Wife: "OMG, What the hell is that?"
Stoly: "Erm.. well you see, i had a bet on hardforums and.."
Wife: "WHAT? You made a bet on the forums to get a mohawk..? What's with the H..?"
Stoly: "It's a looong story.. you see a year ago.."
Wife: "You made this bet a year ago, and NOW you tell me?"
Stoly: "......"
* Wife walks away*
Stoly: "Think of the kids. :("

ROFLMAO!!!

And like a good writer, you left room for [H] Mohawk 2. ;)
 
*Stoly walks in*

Wife: "OMG, What the hell is that?"
Stoly: "Erm.. well you see, i had a bet on hardforums and.."
Wife: "WHAT? You made a bet on the forums to get a mohawk..? What's with the H..?"
Stoly: "It's a looong story.. you see a year ago.."
Wife: "You made this bet a year ago, and NOW you tell me?"
Stoly: "......"
* Wife walks away*
Stoly: "Think of the kids. :("

actually that's been ringing around my head for quite a while...
 
I use to shoot in the USPSA. Our local gun store owner got us all pink shirts with his logo on them. We wore them on a out of town match and got teased and called the "tootie fruity team". We later heard them saying, "hey where's are team shirts?"

We laughed at our selves and the looks others gave us but still had a blast. :D
 
Let's track down this Manny Calavera, I don't think that it would be as hard as tracking down Osama bin Laden.
 
so its out damn and here i was looking forward to seeing pic's of kyle driving around in a pink wheeled truck and a tutu. anymore predictions kyle =)


You like guys in dresses?
 
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