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On the subject of size, after having torn down a Steam Machine prototype case and rebuilt it, it became apparent how much of a pain it is to have so little space to work with. If you don't install everything in exactly the right order, and run the cables exactly the right way, you practically have to unscrew everything and start over. Really, those systems were designed to be put together in a factory and not opened by the user after that, save for maybe a drive upgrade. They are that bad. That won't fly with a case that's intended for people build their own systems in, and I think having some extra room for cables etc. is something you can't really appreciate until you actually have to build it, but when you do you'll be glad it's there.
You are looking at it from a business perspective, market opportunity, metrics and etc.
I can't speak for Necere, but personally, I consider it a hobby. So if there are enough people who want this case, we will build it, if not, we won't.
If we really cared about market opportunity that much, the LRPC project would have been scrapped a long time ago - I had inside information on which companies were going to release LRPC cases long before it was public. So the decision was never about market opportunities.
The M1 happened because I just wanted a better looking SG05. The LRPC *may happen because I got annoyed with my Valve Steam Box.
Long story short, I had the Valve Steam Machine and it had some quirks. Eventually I got fed up with it and sent it to Necere.
If I recall correctly, Necere was working on something else at that time. Effectively, I twisted Necere's arm to do this design (because I wanted one) and here we are today.
Don't get wrong, I hope to become a real business one day, but we are just so far away. Right now, it's just something I do for fun.
This is from the early days of the M1 and still true
I have a question about the internal power extension cable (IEC C13/C14). Are You going to use the same cable as in the M1?
...I still can't believe that LianLi put so poor quality cable for such high-quality ~$200 pc case. Plastic buckle as the finish of the IEC C14 connector? Really? Please tell me that was only a production prototype, and in Your LRPC You'll have some better finish of this side of the internal PSU cable.
I'm working on getting another cable.
To my understanding, it's fairly difficult to bend a sheet 3 times into a square shape. I'm not sure about the full manufacturing capabilities of Lian Li though. Maybe they can do it.
That's the plan as of right now.I have a question about the internal power extension cable (IEC C13/C14). Are You going to use the same cable as in the M1?
The cable supplier I've linked elsewhere is not the supplier Lian Li is using for our case.We tried to contact with the cable manufacturer of Your cable to get one for our case
That's the actual cable we've been using with the M1 from the beginning. You're the first person that's voiced any concern about the quality. We've had a handful of defective cables, but ironically it was the other end - the molded left angle C13 - that's been defective in those cases. We've had no issues caused by the C14 end, as far as I'm aware.I still can't believe that LianLi put so poor quality cable for such high-quality ~$200 pc case. Plastic buckle as the finish of the IEC C14 connector? Really? Please tell me that was only a production prototype, and in Your LRPC You'll have some better finish of this side of the internal PSU cable.
That's the plan as of right now.
The cable supplier I've linked elsewhere is not the supplier Lian Li is using for our case.
That's the actual cable we've been using with the M1 from the beginning. You're the first person that's voiced any concern about the quality. We've had a handful of defective cables, but ironically it was the other end - the molded left angle C13 - that's been defective in those cases. We've had no issues caused by the C14 end, as far as I'm aware.
http://www.silverstonetek.com/images/products/ml08/ml08-5.JPG
ML08 seems to have a cable with nice looking moulded c14 end.
Any chance to consider something like this instead of the current cable?
I still can't believe that LianLi put so poor quality cable for such high-quality ~$200 pc case. Plastic buckle as the finish of the IEC C14 connector? Really?
With such cable ending (like this C14 side with plastic buckle) we would have problems to give CE mark, because in such situation every cable needs separate test to prove that the plastic buckle holds properly with the same strength. What is more, such cable ending looks so cheap that i have no idea why they (LianLi's contractor) didn't use proper industrial glue designed for plastic and rubber + additional heating for this "heat-shrinkable cable".
I wouldn't think that the strength standard for the "plastic buckle" joint would necessarily be very high for the following reasoning: The end closest to the (admittedly unsightly) joint is secured to the case. The PSU is also secured to the case (presumably). Therefore, there should not be any significant sustained tension on the internal cable during normal use of the case unless the user intentionally and deliberately puts the cable in tension to accommodate components and/or placements that probably aren't the greatest idea in the first place.
You know full well (or you should) that that's not a fair comparison. Those companies spend $150k+ for tooling on their cases, with the expectation they can sell at least 25k units over several years. When we started, we didn't even know if we'd be able to meet Lian Li's 300 unit MOQ. A custom-length power cable with both ends molded is going to be at least a 1,000 unit MOQ, but could easily be 5,000+, which isn't feasible for the volume we do. I should mention that we also shortened the cable and changed from right to left-angled after the first production run, which is something we couldn't have done if we were invested in one cable design.Fractal design and Silverstone could make such cable with their cases price <$90, so i think this time guys from Ncase can make it better.
I'm neutral towards them personally, but w360 wanted them.Edit: What made you decide to include front audio ports now? It's not even close to a deal breaker for me, but I liked it more when it didn't have them.
The difference between the 3 and 2 degree angled stand is too small to affect stability. That's actually something the original stand design has going for it though: because it's constructed from thicker aluminum, it's both sturdier and heavier, which provides for a more stable platform. That was actually my reason for going with that design when I first showed the LRPC project here, as the thinner 2mm angled design predates it. I won't really have a good idea if there's any stability or strength concerns until I have them in hand, though.yeah I think the lower angle also provides greater stability, which is the original purpose of the stand.
I'm neutral towards them personally, but w360 wanted them.
The difference between the 3 and 2 degree angled stand is too small to affect stability. That's actually something the original stand design has going for it though: because it's constructed from thicker aluminum, it's both sturdier and heavier, which provides for a more stable platform. That was actually my reason for going with that design when I first showed the LRPC project here, as the thinner 2mm angled design predates it. I won't really have a good idea if there's any stability or strength concerns until I have them in hand, though.
There's mesh under the slots: http://i.imgur.com/qOYAEC3.jpg
Yeah, the CoG should be fairly low in a typical build.Between the PSU and CPU heatsink, the center of gravity should still be towards the bottom of the base, right?
On the power cable: the 'sleeve' over the connectors of the C14 socket in my M1 (v3) was loose enough to freely slide up and down the cable and expose the contacts. I added a little glue inside the sleeve to hold it in place.
Some new renders with the stand angle reduced from 3 to 2 degrees:
Necere and I have been discussing the product name internally.
We have narrowed the potential names down to 2.
I made a poll for people to vote on it.
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll383297x3B9b45Ce-15
Is there any meaning behind the letters? Such as 'S' standing for slim, or 'T' standing for tiny (I struggled to find something for 'T' to stand for)? I guess it doesn't really matter, but I was surprised to see 'T1' as an option. I thought the two options were going to be S1 or LRPC.
T1 is w360's preference. I said the same thing about the lack of meaning. With S1 you can at least infer that it could stand for "slim," or even "Steam."Is there any meaning behind the letters? Such as 'S' standing for slim, or 'T' standing for tiny (I struggled to find something for 'T' to stand for)? I guess it doesn't really matter, but I was surprised to see 'T1' as an option.
Don't forget that it's intended to also allow for horizontal placement, where "tower" and "tall" wouldn't apply.The "T" has to do with being a *tower and *taller compare to the M1.
That's not something I'd ever thought of, and honestly I don't think anyone else would, eitherHaving the S1 moniker in addition to the M1 makes it close to clothing sizes - S/M/L, not sure if that's a good thing.
LRX is an alternative name I came up with, but it will have issues fitting on the model ID plate on the rear, so I don't really favor it at this point.I added "LRX' to the poll because that was another moniker we discussed about, it's just shorter than "LRPC", works better for our SKU system too.
I think of the LRPC as part of a (hypothetical) product line distinct from the M1, separated both in terms of function and aesthetics. To me, an "M2" would be something clearly related to the M1 (e.g., similar front panel design), but larger with a different internal layout for better airflow and watercooling support, and maybe a window. Basically similar to what car manufacturers do, (e.g., Audi A4, A6, A8, S4, etc).since you guys have decided that further revisions denote v1, v2 etc
It makes most sense to me to call this the "m2"
Right.Just no... This type of model name does not indicate chronology. If anything, the model name should indicate size/form or the intended use.
The M doesn't stand for anything. Which I suppose contradicts the notion that the "S" should have some meaning, but for me at least it's more of an intuitive feel about how a certain name or letter/number designation suits a certain design. You could say that the letter M has a certain angularity to it that is reflected in the exterior design of the M1. You could also make associations to various "cool" or powerful things - the M1 Abrams, M1 Garand, BMW M1.S for Slim is the only one that makes sense to me.
What does the M in M1 stand for again?
S for Slim is the only one that makes sense to me.
What does the M in M1 stand for again?