The narrowing divide...

[R-Type]

The gap in production seems to be narrowing post Christmas race.


How close would it have to get before a rally cry to the rest of the forum would be well received and the Horde could gear up for battle? A couple hundred Fermi clients would take us to victory.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

damn right. we are taking our crown back god damnit! if we can get a solid date on when the openCL client comes out EVGA is done for since they have 0 AMD cards and well we have a few thousand of them on this forum.

 

[R-Type]

damn right. we are taking our crown back god damnit! if we can get a solid date on when the openCL client comes out EVGA is done for since they have 0 AMD cards and well we have a few thousand of them on this forum.

I didn't even think of that.

My 6950 (hopefully to become 6970) arrives Monday and will impatiently await the arrival of the new client. If Anand's writeup on the compute abilities added to Cayman is any indication, they should be pretty beastly at folding.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950/5

 

[Kendrak]

Slow and steady wins the race.

 

[Filter]

some times i wish i had money for about 10 sr2 rigs.

 

[R-Type]

Maybe we could ask Kyle to get the forum servers folding.

Who cares if threads take 5 seconds to load so long as we win

 

[Wyxe]

Hmm, I have noticed some extra beefy team points updates recently.

 

[Zero82z]

I hate to burst the bubble, but in two days the EVGA bucks are going to kick in again and their PPD should go up by a few million. We're going up, but we're not quite there yet.

 

[R-Type]

I didn't realize they were off.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

I didn't realize they were off.

majority of their team folds for the 250k points each month required for the 5 evga bucks then they shut their clients off. happens at the beginning of each month. they gain 2 million ppd for the first week and a half then it drops til the next month.

 

[Wyxe]

I didn't realize they were off.

They are always on, it's just that a lot of people from other teams fold just enough points for them to get their bucks, then go back to folding for their own team once they max out their bucks for EVGA. Then some others just fire up their rigs and fold just enough to get their bucks for the month. That is a big part of why their production spikes at the beginning and dips at the end of each month.

 

[DeFex]

my math might be off or something, but
2 million x 10 days / 250000 is $80, thats pretty cheap

 

[R-Type]

Wow, I guess there is no disguising their motivation for folding in that case.

I guess on the one hand it doesn't sound like a bad deal if folders are going back to their other team after since the WU's all go to the same place and make the same science. On the other hand, there is no way in hell I could contribute anything to the output of our biggest rival.

Back on topic though, does Kyle still do periodic front page folding requests? I remember those from a while back.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

steve does a F@H post every week on the main news page.

 

[R-Type]

Our output today is higher than EVGA's, from the info above though I imagine tomorrows will not be.

 

[APOLLO]

Our output today is higher than EVGA's, from the info above though I imagine tomorrows will not be.

We also hit an all time high for the 20th position at 162K PPD unless there was another update I may have missed.

 

[R-Type]

Hell yes, send out 2010 on a high note,

 

[sirmonkey1985]

We also hit an all time high for the 20th position at 162K PPD unless there was another update I may have missed.

nice.. its also funny watching MIBW and musky switching places up at the top every other day depending on who returns more bigadv WU's that day

 

[FlipBack]

majority of their team folds for the 250k points each month required for the 5 evga bucks then they shut their clients off

That is such bullshit. Obviously there are people that fold just for the bucks. About 2 million PPD worth. We have 13 million PPD worth the rest of the month. That 2 million is hardly the majority.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

That is such bullshit. Obviously there are people that fold just for the bucks. About 2 million PPD worth. We have 13 million PPD worth the rest of the month. That 2 million is hardly the majority.

and yet were talking about completely different things here.

your trying to justify it by PPD and im talking about active member count..

 

[FlipBack]

and yet were talking about completely different things here.

your trying to justify it by PPD and im talking about active member count..

Okay well let's see then. For the month of December, we peaked at around 1270 active members on the 13th. As of yesterday, we had around 1070 active members. 200 is not a majority of 1270. I'm obviously not saying nobody folds for the bucks. But most of us are in it for more than that. I do collect my 5-10 EVGA bucks every month (and guess what I spend it on -- more folding hardware) but I am also in it for the science. Me and my sister both have Cystic Fibrosis and my grandmother has Alzheimer's. Both of these diseases are related to protein misfolding.

 

[kirtar]

Last I checked, cystic fibrosis is an autosomal recessive disease in which there is a problem in the primary structure of the protein (i.e. the order/length of the amino acid chain).

 

[FlipBack]

It's caused by a mutation in the gene for the CFTR protein. This mutation then causes the protein to misfold. One of my genes is the delta F508 which results in a missing amino acid at the 508th position. The other is unidentified. Luckily, the unidentified gene is controlling the other and the only issue I have is minor sinus/lung congestion. It is related to misfolding but not directly caused by it. Whether or not folding has any chance of helping CF I don't know (although at the very least the antibiotic research could help). But I fold regardless. There are plenty of people out there who could be helped.

 

[Jon855]

That is such bullshit. Obviously there are people that fold just for the bucks. About 2 million PPD worth. We have 13 million PPD worth the rest of the month. That 2 million is hardly the majority.

and yet were talking about completely different things here.

your trying to justify it by PPD and im talking about active member count..

Okay well let's see then. For the month of December, we peaked at around 1270 active members on the 13th. As of yesterday, we had around 1070 active members. 200 is not a majority of 1270. I'm obviously not saying nobody folds for the bucks. But most of us are in it for more than that. I do collect my 5-10 EVGA bucks every month (and guess what I spend it on -- more folding hardware) but I am also in it for the science. Me and my sister both have Cystic Fibrosis and my grandmother has Alzheimer's. Both of these diseases are related to protein misfolding.

Last I checked, cystic fibrosis is an autosomal recessive disease in which there is a problem in the primary structure of the protein (i.e. the order/length of the amino acid chain).

It's caused by a mutation in the gene for the CFTR protein. This mutation then causes the protein to misfold. One of my genes is the delta F508 which results in a missing amino acid at the 508th position. The other is unidentified. Luckily, the unidentified gene is controlling the other and the only issue I have is minor sinus/lung congestion. It is related to misfolding but not directly caused by it. Whether or not folding has any chance of helping CF I don't know (although at the very least the antibiotic research could help). But I fold regardless. There are plenty of people out there who could be helped.

GUYS let's not get off the tangent around here.

eVGA will not stand a chance anyways. You pussies just wait, I tell ya!

 

[FlipBack]

Touche.

It's just completely ridiculous to suggest that the majority (I think everybody admits there are some) of team EVGA folds their 250k for the month to get the bucks and then shut down when it's obviously not true. And I do believe that extra 250k per person every month helps the science just as much as 250k from me or you.

Anyways, I applaud you guys for closing the gap. Great job. I look forward to the day our teams battle it out for the crown a second time -- science will triumph yet again.

 

[Axdrenalin]

Anyways, I applaud you guys for closing the gap. Great job. I look forward to the day our teams battle it out for the crown a second time -- science will triumph yet again.

I generally try to avoid threads like this simply because they turn into a bitch session 9 times out of 10, but this kind of mentality here (quoted above) is why I enjoy folding.

 

[mashtub651]

oh yea cant wait to get my sr-2 boxen online tomorrow

 

[kirtar]

It's caused by a mutation in the gene for the CFTR protein. This mutation then causes the protein to misfold. One of my genes is the delta F508 which results in a missing amino acid at the 508th position. The other is unidentified. Luckily, the unidentified gene is controlling the other and the only issue I have is minor sinus/lung congestion. It is related to misfolding but not directly caused by it. Whether or not folding has any chance of helping CF I don't know (although at the very least the antibiotic research could help). But I fold regardless. There are plenty of people out there who could be helped.

How should I put this... Protein folding is mostly about secondary and maybe tertiary protein structure. If there's a problem on the primary structure (which is the case of Cystic Fibrosis), it's no longer a problem of misfolding, because for it to be "normal" (not Cystic Fibrosis) the protein would actually have to misfold. Different gene/protein from primary to tertiary structure does not equal misfolding.

TLDR version: If the amino acid sequence is different it's probably not a folding problem.

 

[FlipBack]

How should I put this... Protein folding is mostly about secondary and maybe tertiary protein structure. If there's a problem on the primary structure (which is the case of Cystic Fibrosis), it's no longer a problem of misfolding, because for it to be "normal" (not Cystic Fibrosis) the protein would actually have to misfold. Different gene/protein from primary to tertiary structure does not equal misfolding.

TLDR version: If the amino acid sequence is different it's probably not a folding problem.

Okay. The only reason I thought CF was misfolding related is because Stanford says so on there website.

Anyways, back to the topic of you [H]ardcore folks trying to catch up.

 

[jebo_4jc]

Good to see the ball rolling in the right direction. I agree the landscape will probably change when their EVGA bucks program kicks in. let's revisit this discussion in a week and see where we are then.

In order to have a 'real' shot at overtaking the #1 spot, we would need to be able to match their inflated PPD numbers at the beginning of the month, then exceed their normal PPD numbers toward the end of the month. Once we are close to doing that, then it's time for a full call to arms.

 

[R-Type]

Good to see the ball rolling in the right direction. I agree the landscape will probably change when their EVGA bucks program kicks in. let's revisit this discussion in a week and see where we are then.

In order to have a 'real' shot at overtaking the #1 spot, we would need to be able to match their inflated PPD numbers at the beginning of the month, then exceed their normal PPD numbers toward the end of the month. Once we are close to doing that, then it's time for a full call to arms.

Stanford needs to hurry up with that radeon client...

 

[APOLLO]

Stanford needs to hurry up with that radeon client...

That would be freaking nuts whenever it happens.

 

[R-Type]

You know I really hope the radeon client beats the nvidia one in ppd simply because it will motivate the guys over in the 'AMD Flavor' sub-forum to fold simply as a bragging point.

 

[Kendrak]

You know I really hope the radeon client beats the nvidia one in ppd simply because it will motivate the guys over in the 'AMD Flavor' sub-forum to fold simply as a bragging point.

It should..... my gosh the shader count!

 

[R-Type]

It should..... my gosh the shader count!

Well because of AMD's VLIW architecture you have to divide by 5 on anything pre Cayman and by 4 on cayman to get the number of units that would be comparable to Nvidia's CUDA cores. That puts a 6970 at around 380 cores clocked very high compared to Fermi. The architectures are far too different to predict performance, but it should at least be decent.

 

[zero2dash]

Stanford needs to hurry up with that radeon client...

That would be freaking nuts whenever it happens.

You know I really hope the radeon client beats the nvidia one in ppd simply because it will motivate the guys over in the 'AMD Flavor' sub-forum to fold simply as a bragging point.

nV and Team EVGA both would be "seeing red". Red from both ATi + [H] baby! Would even make a perfect color match for all our SR-2's.
I can't wait. As soon as the OpenCL client hits and some good #s are up, I will most likely migrant shift from 3 nV cards to 2-3 ATi cards.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

You know I really hope the radeon client beats the nvidia one in ppd simply because it will motivate the guys over in the 'AMD Flavor' sub-forum to fold simply as a bragging point.

if they were to match nvidia's PPD we have around 10 million ppd just sitting in the AMD sub-forum waiting to stick it to nvidia. we AMD die hards are nuts and will do anything to steal bragging rights from nvidia that and the fact that it would cost half as much to fold with AMD cards vs nvidia cards while producing the same PPD. but of course thats a big "if" when it comes to PPD numbers.

 

[APOLLO]

if they were to match nvidia's PPD we have around 10 million ppd just sitting in the AMD sub-forum waiting to stick it to nvidia. we AMD die hards are nuts and will do anything to steal bragging rights from nvidia

There are tons of AMD folks who would love to do the same to Intel if given half the chance.

 

[sirmonkey1985]

There are tons of AMD folks who would love to do the same to Intel if given half the chance.

HELL YES!!! thats why CCity, w.feather, and i spent 9 friggin hours straight trying to get bigadv WU's working on a phenom II x6 1055T or well i spent 9 hours straight doing it, lol. was well worth it after all the work to see an x6 1055T @ 4.1ghz producing the same PPD as an i7 920 @ 3.6ghz.

 

[APOLLO]

HELL YES!!! thats why CCity, w.feather, and i spent 9 friggin hours straight trying to get bigadv WU's working on a phenom II x6 1055T

Believe me, you guys aren't the only ones who want AMD back in the game big time.