The Best Bench Marks Yet . All Comers .

French = :(

A benchmark I cannot read fustrates me... so if this is the review thats supposed to turn me on to conroe, all hope is lost :D
 
good stuff, i wish the site was in english though, but either way numbers are numbers and conroe pwnz
 
Ya the O/C section tells the real story . With the gaming Benchmarks done the way they were done when AMD 64 ruled the world. 50% improvement was I believe the smallest differance between the Top Intel Chip vs. AMD. When the R600 is released the real story will be told. Using XF . It should send shivers down any gamers spine.
 
This is the Best comment by a reviewer yet . When comparing Conroe To FX 62.

A box of Kleenex Mr AMD?
 
$BangforThe$ said:
This is the Best comment by a reviewer yet . When comparing Conroe To FX 62.

A box of Kleenex Mr AMD?
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lol....

the site doesnt work when you go to another page...it says url was not found :(
 
$BangforThe$ said:
Ya the O/C section tells the real story . With the gaming Benchmarks done the way they were done when AMD 64 ruled the world. 50% improvement was I believe the smallest differance between the Top Intel Chip vs. AMD. When the R600 is released the real story will be told. Using XF . It should send shivers down any gamers spine.
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Come on R600 and I'm NOT waiting for 4 way LOL!

You don't know Hardcore Fans very well do ya? A few months ago I told ya' "Now watch ScienceMark become the most important benchmark out there". Watch as some Ding Bat excuse is used to try and downplay Conroe as well. It's almost like when folks put up with POS Buggy Super 7 motherboards while the sweet assed 440 BX ruled the day.

AMD has absolutely NOTHING to worry about IMHO!
 
No one says you have to wait Donnie. I am just saying when the next generation of GPU's arrive . Conroe will show its true power. Also donnie anyone that wants a XE6800 should consider going 6600 and waiting for Kentsfield . I mean its not likely that your 6600 will be hard to resell. Everyone donnie when buyinf Conroe should consider these things.

1) Vista compliant M/B

2) Conroe released on 7/27 R600 release 12/1 maybe earlier maybe later.

,3) H/D with Cache. To take advantage of Vista and Conroe's power.

4) This point is an important one based on What your system intended use is PSU get the best one you can for stable operation . Conroe is an O/C beast . So please get I great PSU.

5) For 24/7 use and Good O/C one only needs Good DDR 667 memory that can run @ DDR2 800. Unless your going for World records. With a XE6800 with the Corsair 5400 ul
Choosing DDR2 533 running 1:1 3-2-2-8 timings O/C the FSB to 350 gives you a 3.85ghz. DDR2 700 and a FSB of 1400 . Now if more is needed Go for it. LOL

6) I really advise you to by 2 gigs of memory. using 2 slots. My wifes machine is using 4 slots with 5400ul . But since this memory is hard to find not for everyone. I just hate to see people waste money . When 2 gigs will be required to run Vista the way its meant to run.
 
:drool: at the wall of Core 2 motherboards on page 3.
 
Wow, so why did they get to post benchmark results before the launch date? AnandTech said they had already did some testing with Conroe but weren't allowed to post anything yet because of the NDA.

It's great to see another confirmation of the E6600 hitting 3.6ghz with a 1:1 ratio and 400fsb, and on the P5W DH to boot! We will have to wait and see if the retail version can match the engineering samples. Hmm, didn't I read somewhere that the retail product typically performs better than the engineering samples? Still we've seen manufacturers across the spectrum send cherry picked specimens to reviewers before..

-JWM
 
Can anyone post the relevant news? I don't want to mess with that site.
 
I got distracted for a bit but :eek: @ the CPU gaming benchmarks. Even the 2GHz Merom T7200 is spanking the 2.8GHz FX-62. That *was* AMD's forté.
 
Why have gaming benchmarks at 640x480 & 800x600..who the hell plays at those resolutions. Freaking bench at 1024 or higher. I don't care how fast it is at 640x480..geez -.- Sure the cpu is "faster"...but how big is the gap at say 1920x1200? Sure the graphics card would be the limiting factor..but still.
 
$BangforThe$ said:
No one says you have to wait Donnie. I am just saying when the next generation of GPU's arrive . Conroe will show its true power. Also donnie anyone that wants a XE6800 should consider going 6600 and waiting for Kentsfield . I mean its not likely that your 6600 will be hard to resell. Everyone donnie when buyinf Conroe should consider these things.

1) Vista compliant M/B

2) Conroe released on 7/27 R600 release 12/1 maybe earlier maybe later.

,3) H/D with Cache. To take advantage of Vista and Conroe's power.

4) This point is an important one based on What your system intended use is PSU get the best one you can for stable operation . Conroe is an O/C beast . So please get I great PSU.

5) For 24/7 use and Good O/C one only needs Good DDR 667 memory that can run @ DDR2 800. Unless your going for World records. With a XE6800 with the Corsair 5400 ul
Choosing DDR2 533 running 1:1 3-2-2-8 timings O/C the FSB to 350 gives you a 3.85ghz. DDR2 700 and a FSB of 1400 . Now if more is needed Go for it. LOL

6) I really advise you to by 2 gigs of memory. using 2 slots. My wifes machine is using 4 slots with 5400ul . But since this memory is hard to find not for everyone. I just hate to see people waste money . When 2 gigs will be required to run Vista the way its meant to run.
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Dang! All I said was that I was not waiting for 4-Way, why are you so yucky about it?

I planned on E6600 from Day one, I thought you knew that? I'm not going after an extreme overclock but something like between 3 and 3.2GHz only. I told you that before as well. I don't wan't increase the Power Draw and Heat output, that's one on the reasons I wanted Conroe in the first.

1. I don't give a flying flickering F%$# about Vista.
2. I will do an i965 with a Single PCI-E, I'am not an Uber Gamers at all.
3. I have two 16MB Cache WD 250GB HDDs.
4. I have a 550W Antec TP 2.0 SLI, not worried.
5. I have 2GB of GSkill DDR2 800 4-4-4-12, may switch to DDR2 667.
6. See above and I'm one of those folks who say Screw Vista.

The only thing I wanted to upgrade was my X800XL Video card and get a X1800XT or X1900XL. I also might up the HDD to a 400GB instead but that can wait.
 
Because the lower res shows the power of the CPU. Its not a gpu bench test. So when the R600 comes out you will see conroe widden the gap at higher res.
 
$BangforThe$ said:
Because the lower res shows the power of the CPU. Its not a gpu bench test. So when the R600 comes out you will see conroe widden the gap at higher res.
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Unless Brisbane is out at that point.
 
robberbaron said:
Unless Brisbane is out at that point.
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So What ? What Brissy got ? 65nm. Thats it man. I still want to see how SOI does at 65nm. Brizzy has nothing to compete with Intel . Besides who cares about a Cpu you can't get till 07
 
I am going to cry , AMD have whooped us .

They have turned there backs on us . Just read the transalated version and i am depressed. They WHOOPED us dry without any lubrication and it hurts.
 
nooh said:
I am going to cry , AMD have whooped us .

They have turned there backs on us . Just read the transalated version and i am depressed. They WHOOPED us dry without any lubrication and it hurts.
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Hahaha LOL!
 
Donnie27 said:
Dang! All I said was that I was not waiting for 4-Way, why are you so yucky about it?

I planned on E6600 from Day one, I thought you knew that? I'm not going after an extreme overclock but something like between 3 and 3.2GHz only. I told you that before as well. I don't wan't increase the Power Draw and Heat output, that's one on the reasons I wanted Conroe in the first.

1. I don't give a flying flickering F%$# about Vista.
2. I will do an i965 with a Single PCI-E, I'am not an Uber Gamers at all.
3. I have two 16MB Cache WD 250GB HDDs.
4. I have a 550W Antec TP 2.0 SLI, not worried.
5. I have 2GB of GSkill DDR2 800 4-4-4-12, may switch to DDR2 667.
6. See above and I'm one of those folks who say Screw Vista.

The only thing I wanted to upgrade was my X800XL Video card and get a X1800XT or X1900XL. I also might up the HDD to a 400GB instead but that can wait.
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Donnie notice I said everyone . That means not just donnie. Many are interested in Vista. and R600 and compliant hardware. Really Donnie I don't see why you even want to upgrade you have A good AMD system that will run very close to a conroe real world with the hardware you intend to use.
 
$BangforThe$ said:
So What ? What Brissy got ? 65nm. Thats it man. I still want to see how SOI does at 65nm. Brizzy has nothing to compete with Intel . Besides who cares about a Cpu you can't get till 07
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Actually, Brisbane is both 65nm and will have 4 decoders instead of 3. This could be a big deal. Will it be? I don't know, but it's something to consider.

As for "who cares about a CPU you can't get till 07," you got pretty damn excited when kentsfield previews showed up. Hypocrite.

Are you a gimmick poster or what? I'm curious, because I find more and more that your posts are just parodies of people that hang onto one brand irrationally. As if your entire "posting career" at [H] has been a total farce (it really has, but I'm just wondering if you meant it to be.) I'm sure I'm not the only one to think this.
 
$BangforThe$ said:
Donnie notice I said everyone . That means not just donnie. Many are interested in Vista. and R600 and compliant hardware. Really Donnie I don't see why you even want to upgrade you have A good AMD system that will run very close to a conroe real world with the hardware you intend to use.
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I couldn't tell since you said Donnie how many times?

Really Bangfor, my Athlon 3500+ sucks worse than my 2.6C for many of the streaming apps I use and multitasking, get it? I'm current testing a bud's X1800XL 512MB that's really an XT. If I just played Games, I'd wait for the July price cuts and get a 4400+ or something. X1800 512MB kills my X800XL 256MB when eye-candy is used.

Please don't try to explain how my system Runs when I have 3 systems sitting right next to each other LOL! Well that was before I moved the 2.6C Down stairs to the Den for HTPC duties.
 
Donnie27 said:
I couldn't tell since you said Donnie how many times?

Really Bangfor, my Athlon 3500+ sucks worse than my 2.6C for many of the streaming apps I use and multitasking, get it? I'm current testing a bud's X1800XL 512MB that's really an XT. If I just played Games, I'd wait for the July price cuts and get a 4400+ or something. X1800 512MB kills my X800XL 256MB when eye-candy is used.

Please don't try to explain how my system Runs when I have 3 systems sitting right next to each other LOL! Well that was before I moved the 2.6C Down stairs to the Den for HTPC duties.
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Yeah, I have a 3.0C that I just use for casual use (hosting dvd rips and whatnot on my networ, some web browsing), and the P4C's are quick chips for general use. Little difference between them and low-clocked Athlon64's.
 
I myself want a CPU and after the overclocking of the conroe i saw everything and AMD have really done us this time , even with the last upgrade on the system of a socket 939 they still want as much as they can get off us and it still doesnt make it up for leaving skt 939 in the cold.

I am thinking shall i buy a opty or shall i buy X2 4400 , either way i will be WHOOPED ,it will burn , pain , itch everytime i see the system , may even need stiches after this one. :mad:
 
Intel didn't release Pentium D on socket 478, or make it compatible with half the 775 chipsets (915 / 925X / 925XE) and Core2Duo still needs a new board no matter what your current board is (unless you want to mod a Bad Axe.) Intel and AMD are really similar in that they want to make money. Intel is better at the planned obsolescence, though. LOL @ 925X.
 
robberbaron said:
Actually, Brisbane is both 65nm and will have 4 decoders instead of 3. This could be a big deal. Will it be? I don't know, but it's something to consider.

As for "who cares about a CPU you can't get till 07," you got pretty damn excited when kentsfield previews showed up. Hypocrite.

Are you a gimmick poster or what? I'm curious, because I find more and more that your posts are just parodies of people that hang onto one brand irrationally. As if your entire "posting career" at [H] has been a total farce (it really has, but I'm just wondering if you meant it to be.) I'm sure I'm not the only one to think this.
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Very true I am excited about Kentsfield . But not for O/C or Gaming . But for future proofing . I like to copy music that I have paid for and do so all the time. So I see a need for 4 processors as I would like to run milti apps well browsing . I will more than likely keep using my Dothan for gaming. I can't beat my wife anyway . She much better with the keys than I. Plus she uses game cheats which I find repulsive. She says if can't beat them join them. I say BS.

Could you show a link stating Brisbane has 4 decoders . That is interesting and I was unaware of it.

As for my posting style . Papa is on me pretty hard about it. But were working together to tone me down . He lets me know when I get to aggressive and gave me some time off.You will also note I usually supply a link were as many posters do not. I also would point to my sig. as I have disclaimer. As for gimmick poster you can figure that out for yourself because I don't understand the question. I have never owned an AMD product. New York may change that. I have sold many AMD cpu's to gamers how ever.


AS for this statement right here. Do you have a link to brissy review I can get excited about. Apples to apples fella.

As for "who cares about a CPU you can't get till 07," you got pretty damn excited when kentsfield previews showed up. Hypocrite.
 
robberbaron said:
Yeah, I have a 3.0C that I just use for casual use (hosting dvd rips and whatnot on my networ, some web browsing), and the P4C's are quick chips for general use. Little difference between them and low-clocked Athlon64's.
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Yup! My main use system is the 3500+ and I would have loved to have gotten a Dual Core. But I put it off and went low ball-3500+. I said then, I want to see where Conroe would be priced, I didn't worry about performance.

Newer games make the 3500+ look like very good deal, then Video Impressions make it look like anyother 2.2GHz Processor without Hyperthreading but I bought it more for Games and to get some much needed AMD hands on. Given a Do over, I'd do the same again!
 
Bangfor, just look at the picture of brisbane
http://news.ferra.ru/images/117/117953.jpg

4 decoders in the fetch area.

http://www.rojakpot.com/editorials/img/Opteron_die.jpg

Older/Current K8 die shot. Note that it has 3 decoders. And you can see that it looks like they left a spot WIDE open for adding a decoder (nice planning :cool: )

http://www.chip-architect.com/news/Opteron_Instr_Cache.jpg
Good picture outlining what each part does in the decoding process. The 3 big blue boxes on the left are the decoders, of which Brisbane has 4 :)

And still, getting excited over a concept chip and getting excited about an engineering sample are the same exact thing. Both are chips that you cannot acquire without having the aftertaste of an intel/AMD employee's semen in your mouth.
 
oh man i am on the conclusion page and on the prices bit.

Not only have i been whooped dry they after that they are getting needles and poking me in my my peehole with it every other minute.

Man AMD are serious torturers. :(
 
Don't know if this was mentioned yet (reading the review still) but, wow, the 2mb---->4mb L2 cache makes an average of about 12% difference in gaming :eek: with amounts as low as 9% and high as 16%! In encoding/compression it makes an average of about 5-6%. That's pretty impressive, considering the price difference between the E6400 and the E6600, which also gives you a nicer multiplier, better bin, higher stock clock, etc. :)! These were tested at 1.86ghz E6300 vs. E6600 downclocked to 1.86ghz via multiplier. So, at EVEN clock speeds it would be that different, let alone the higher of E6400 vs. E6600 266mhz difference. The reviewers got 3.6ghz on air on the E6600 with an older Engineering Sample stepping :eek: that is known not to clock as well as the newest Stepping 5's that may become retail.

EDIT: LOL @ the conclusion page, in the section about pricing: "If AMD does not react quickly, should see us trucks Kleenex to make deliveries in mass on the side of Sunnyvale to the seat of the father of Athlon."
 
Robberbaron
And still, getting excited over a concept chip and getting excited about an engineering sample are the same exact thing. Both are chips that you cannot acquire without having the aftertaste of an intel/AMD employee's semen in your mouth.

Well I see a bit of differance between seeing a actual preview and looking at diagrams. But thats more than likely just me that see things that way. As for the last part of your statement. Does that mean your coming out. Because you can get these chips threw other sources with out the repulsive picture you draw.
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nooh said:
I wish i did not get up today :mad:
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I seen some of your other post . I am a little confused you seem to have a very nice PC.

Just because Conroe is faster than present AMD products isn't the end of the world you know. Amd will probably take back the lead late in 07. So do I sell my Intel system . Not likely. Do I upgrade to Penryn shortly after dual core K8L are released and retakes the performance lead? Not likely. Do I run out and buy a Nehalem when its released? Not likely. Its the Tech thats important having the best tech when its released . Is only for Hardcore benchiers and the wealthy.

Stock market close

AMD up 92cents @ $24.81

Intc up 66cents @ $19.32
 
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