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Nothing should surprise you at this point.
So in other words you've not even tried this out and have nothing factual to say about the subject at hand.
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Nothing should surprise you at this point.
It doesn't necessarily make sense to block ads in search results particularly if you're doing searches for products and services as you could be blocking exactly what you're try to find.
I don't pay to use their search engine. I pay to use the OS, for all the hardware the OS is running on it, and for the internet the ads are downloading over.
Now, it this is leading towards Windows being free for consumers...
It doesn't necessarily make sense to block ads in search results particularly if you're doing searches for products and services as you could be blocking exactly what you're try to find.
Good god. The copyrights on that Music is in commons.. Sorry but IP rights have long ago expired. Its free I can just easily type that stuff into my web browser. If I am searching for a file there is no need for the web to be scoured for this, nor do I want MS Bing to capture those metrics. I may have a file on my machine thats a scan of My Honda Reciept and I type in Honda in a search browser that doesn't mean I want it to give me results for honda.com.This is an arbitrary separation of things that just doesn't translate in the world of connected data and services. I know people is this thread won't like this but when you hit the Windows key and type "albert einstein" of "Chopin" this is what you get with the integrated search:
Yeah, just flooded with ads. And with the Chopin results I can click on the song links and get taken to the Xbox music app and it starts to play. And you get I think like 10 hours a month of free streaming in Xbox music so maybe the ads to help pay for something that's not included in the price of the OS.
Call me a Microsoft fanboy but I just can't see why most people wouldn't like this kind of smart and useful connectivity to the web and services built into the OS but having the option to disable if desired and I think it's definitely that people need to see at least once because it is different and unique on the desktop and even useful. People love to talk about the lack of choice in Windows but the more interesting and powerful the choices are becoming in Windows 8 the more just totally bizarre some of the opposition is.
Yes the writing is on the walls. I think of all the people that proclaim Linux the #1 OS in the world because of Android, an OS given away free with a large ecosystem because of ADVERTISING! So complain about the ads and forget the benefits.
Have to admit, to even include it is a bit of insult for a paid product. Can disable it, sure, but again, this is something that has been paid for.
Good god. The copyrights on that Music is in commons.. Sorry but IP rights have long ago expired. Its free I can just easily type that stuff into my web browser.
If I am searching for a file there is no need for the web to be scoured for this, nor do I want MS Bing to capture those metrics. I may have a file on my machine thats a scan of My Honda Reciept and I type in Honda in a search browser that doesn't mean I want it to give me results for honda.com.
I also have no need for XBOX music as I don't listen to music very often on my computer and If I do its a streaming service of the web any way. Or I will just play stuff out of my itunes. I am not gone pay for something I can get free on the internet streaming and I don't give a flying rats ass about xbox music.
Again you fail to grasp the concept that US Xbox is NOT Canadian XBOX service. Kinda of why Netflix has failed here.
You want to hit a window button to search great am I pigeon holed into using shitastic Bing? Can't I just use the search field in the ALREADY opened browser on my desktop. Which gives me much finer and granular control if I want to copy and paste, take screenshots etc between different programs.
I have an Xbox.. It still sitting in its box after 1.5 years and about 5 hours of use. I have a computer that does everything + gives me the freedom to do anything I want why would I settle for the limitations of xbox. Fuck I can't even use it for Netflix because you need a gold account?!@# My TV does it for free, plus it handles streaming any way.
Your proposing a solution akin to a $50 Hot Dog at a fancy restaurant (MS cloud)when I am already having steak for $10 (at home)
Except the ads are in the APPS not Android itself.
There are no ads in Android search results?
How anyone can argue otherwise is beyond me. Is it too hard to search for something on the internet? Microsoft saving me a few clicks is really such a great feature? No. It's just another way to force data mining down our throats.
Depends on what app you're searching through. Some have ads & others don't. If you have a rooted phone, you can block ALL ads regardless of the app. I block ads on Windows, Linux, & Android since I don't need marketing to overwhelm anything I'm doing.
But of course you're not blocking the ads on [H]. I admit, that it does rub me the wrong way when people complain about ads yet enjoy the benefits everyday.
So are we talking about technology, ethics, or economics here?![]()
There are no ads in Android search results?
This is certainly a matter of all three at different levels as is with powerful technology. Advertising has certainly become an effective way to monetize technology and there's no way the web would be where it is today without advertising, that's simply a fact, but who likes ads? It's a Catch-22.
I think much of the deeper resistance to Windows 8 has little to do with the Modern UI and much more to do with the cloud and services integration and the implications of what that entails. Everyone loves the incredible convenience of the sum total of human knowledge at their finger tips, but connect a PCs search system into that with the potential of ads or data mining then all of a sudden its now some great evil. Again a Catch-22.
And of course the ethics of this are no easier. These vast stores of information can obviously be used for bad purposes and do posses a threat. But any powerful technology has always had perverted potential. From splitting atoms to the discovery of DNA, computer technology has both its great and not so great purposes.
I'm a child of the 70s. There used to be this documentary series that talked about the ramifications of technology that I saw in school, I'll have to remember what it was called, thanks to the power of the web, that's easier than ever to do. I think of it as a risk calculation. What benefit do I and society gain with a given technology even it make be abused from time to time. Honestly I am much more concerned with the private thieves and hackers than I am of government listening to me call my wife to remind her to pick up some hot sauce.
This is certainly a matter of all three at different levels as is with powerful technology. Advertising has certainly become an effective way to monetize technology and there's no way the web would be where it is today without advertising, that's simply a fact, but who likes ads? It's a Catch-22.
I think much of the deeper resistance to Windows 8 has little to do with the Modern UI and much more to do with the cloud and services integration and the implications of what that entails. Everyone loves the incredible convenience of the sum total of human knowledge at their finger tips, but connect a PCs search system into that with the potential of ads or data mining then all of a sudden its now some great evil. Again a Catch-22.
And of course the ethics of this are no easier. These vast stores of information can obviously be used for bad purposes and do posses a threat. But any powerful technology has always had perverted potential. From splitting atoms to the discovery of DNA, computer technology has both its great and not so great purposes.
I'm a child of the 70s. There used to be this documentary series that talked about the ramifications of technology that I saw in school, I'll have to remember what it was called, thanks to the power of the web, that's easier than ever to do. I think of it as a risk calculation. What benefit do I and society gain with a given technology even it make be abused from time to time. Honestly I am much more concerned with the private thieves and hackers than I am of government listening to me call my wife to remind her to pick up some hot sauce.
Cool, because between web sites and web searches and email and trailware, etc., ads have been on desktops forever. If one doesn't like the integrated search it's easily disabled.
I think of all the people that proclaim Linux the #1 OS in the world because of Android, an OS given away free with a large ecosystem because of ADVERTISING!
+1. Except that I block almost 90% of all ads and I am sure most enthusiasts do as well.
If the ads are built in it will be much more difficult to stop them.
In Android itself? No. You obviously haven't installed plain Android. Android has no apps other than basic thinks like the camera, stock browser, etc. Anything Google is an app you have to install. Yes, OEM's install those apps by default but they are NOT included in Android by default.
The Google Search bar shows ads but YOU have to decide to use the search bar and even install it (it can be disabled).
There are plenty of people out there who run Google free versions of Android. That's why sites like f-droid.org exist.
Ads don't bother me when done right. Ads don't bother me when used to monetize free services such as Google, sites like the [H], or apps.
Ads do bother me when they're rammed down my throat by integrating services into a product I already had to pay for.
There is no good reason for MS to do this other than trying to back door a way to more search revenue because they know that when that user fires up a browser chances are they're not going to Bing.
Plus who says I want Bing to default? Who says I don't want duckduckgo or Google itself? I shouldn't have to dig and find the option to disable this bullshit "feature" as it shouldn't be there in the first place.
Ok. I'm all for Windows 8 and Microsoft. But, you're defending them for anything and everything. If Microsoft said they were killing babies, you'd find a way to defend that.
Ads on the desktop should be a no-no. Off limits. This isn't NASCAR. Individual apps? Ok. I can see it. Ad supported. But, on a paid app? People get a bit angry (see Hulu Plus). Put them on the search function of the OS? No. That's too far. People are paying for the OS, that's your revenue stream for the base OS. You don't start putting sponsor stickers all over to make up some extra income.
This is just another bad decision from Microsoft lately. It seems the past year or two has been full of bad decisions. Some great ones, but a lot of bad ones. Then, the PR response is worse....
Disabled by default would be great, but NO ONE would ever enable them, other than OEM's.
No one has really explained to me why ads in web browser are ok but if they are displayed in an application (beyond the world is spying on me syndrome but not in a web browser) they are bad when the ad is related to the actual search. It's not like you search for Isaac Newton and are presented ad links for Turtle Wax.
+1. Well put.Because it's invasive. And please drop the cavalier attitude about the spying. No one who dislikes the privacy violations believes that spying is okay on a web browser. We don't like it, period. It's not a syndrome, and it's not a conspiracy. It's really happening. This is why Snowden's running for his life. He didn't blow the whistle on nothing.
When I get on my browser and search for things and send my packets and requests out, I know that they're being tracked. I don't LIKE it, but I know that it's happening. I shouldn't have to wonder if my OS is sending out this stuff either. And Microsoft, by enabling it by default, has made it easier to get a hold of this data. I know plenty of computer users who are too ignorant to figure out how to disable this. It sounds sad, but it's true.
I, for one, am not contesting the ads. I'm contesting the PRINCIPLE of this whole mess. It's a feature that no one wants. No one asked for this. Quit telling me how to use my computer (not you - Microsoft). Quit opening back doors for me to be tracked, while trying to sell me on a sliver of convenience these back doors allow. And stop insulting us who actually care about our privacy. Yes - I'm on the internet posting this. Yes - I know that it's probably being tracked. I know the risks, I'm taking them. I don't need to worry about my operating system doing the same thing behind my back.
Because it's invasive. And please drop the cavalier attitude about the spying. No one who dislikes the privacy violations believes that spying is okay on a web browser. We don't like it, period. It's not a syndrome, and it's not a conspiracy. It's really happening. This is why Snowden's running for his life. He didn't blow the whistle on nothing.
When I get on my browser and search for things and send my packets and requests out, I know that they're being tracked. I don't LIKE it, but I know that it's happening. I shouldn't have to wonder if my OS is sending out this stuff either. And Microsoft, by enabling it by default, has made it easier to get a hold of this data. I know plenty of computer users who are too ignorant to figure out how to disable this. It sounds sad, but it's true.
I, for one, am not contesting the ads. I'm contesting the PRINCIPLE of this whole mess. It's a feature that no one wants. No one asked for this. Quit telling me how to use my computer (not you - Microsoft). Quit opening back doors for me to be tracked, while trying to sell me on a sliver of convenience these back doors allow. And stop insulting us who actually care about our privacy. Yes - I'm on the internet posting this. Yes - I know that it's probably being tracked. I know the risks, I'm taking them. I don't need to worry about my operating system doing the same thing behind my back.
I, for one, am not contesting the ads. I'm contesting the PRINCIPLE of this whole mess. It's a feature that no one wants. No one asked for this.
Quit telling me how to use my computer (not you - Microsoft). Quit opening back doors for me to be tracked, while trying to sell me on a sliver of convenience these back doors allow. And stop insulting us who actually care about our privacy. Yes - I'm on the internet posting this. Yes - I know that it's probably being tracked. I know the risks, I'm taking them. I don't need to worry about my operating system doing the same thing behind my back.
that's because these anti-bingers obviously work for googleI get accused of working for Microsoft constantly but somehow people that make the statement "No one asked for this." when referring to something that Microsoft did that is unpopular in the audience never gets accused of working for Microsoft.
I get accused of working for Microsoft constantly but somehow people that make the statement "No one asked for this." when referring to something that Microsoft did that is unpopular in the audience never gets accused of working for Microsoft. I have no idea of all of the bazillion things that people ask Microsoft to do since I don't work there but I do marvel at those who also don't work there that somehow seem to have intimate knowledge of what its millions upon million of customers never asked for.
But in the interest of full disclosure I do talk to Microsoft employees and have asked for much that is in Windows 8. I have LONG wanted Windows to work on tablets and integrated and connected search is dream of mine. With all of the services and data that we currently have a list of links for everything is not enough. The Internet contains a great deal of the sum of human knowledge, it can be and should be used as a database backend to UI experiences beyond a simple listing of search results. And I know that I far from the first person that's had this thought.
Quit telling me how to use my computer, just give me the way that you told me how to use my computer 20 years ago. Not saying that's you but it does appear to be the thread that runs through the vast majority of Windows 8 complaints. As for the OS taking the same risks behind your back, fair enough. But this question never gets pointed out much when dealing with the current #1 OS in the world Linux (not really, Android) that's almost completely and totally funded by those "taking risks". And since Linux, excuse me, Android is the #1 OS in the world, it appears that most have no problem with those risks. But of course, it you can't deal with Metro we all know rooting and Android device is infinitely easier.
that's because these anti-bingers obviously work for google
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First, I never accused you of working for Microsoft. I didn't even imply it. I've seen other people do it, but I've never allowed myself to go there. Why? Because you said you don't. I try to give others the benefit of the doubt. And for the point that I don't know what others are thinking about and are asking for? Taken. But granted, I haven't seen anywhere near as many scathing posts over Windows 7 as I have for Windows 8.
As for your disclosure, well - it makes sense then why you'd be defending this feature. If it's your dream, it's your dream.
As for Android? Come on - we're discussing Windows 8 here. It's like you're putting words in my mouth. But since we're disclosing everything, I don't like Google either. I think all of these companies who went behind our backs and did this should be held accountable. And, if I may be so blunt - I think it's insane that most people don't care that their privacy is being violated and that everything they do is being tracked and stored. But I don't see what you're getting at, or why you're arguing. The fact is this - it's wrong and illegal. Just because Google does and most people don't seem to care doesn't make it any less wrong.
I don't pay to use their search engine.
I pay to use the OS, for all the hardware the OS is running on it, and for the internet the ads are downloading over.
Right. You don't pay to use their search engine. This is why their search engine displays ads. And since the integrated search is essentially a channel for using their search engine, it too displays ads. No matter how anybody tries to spin it, the ads have nothing to do with the operating system which you paid for and everything to do with the search engine you didn't pay for. If you turn off the web search engine component of the search (i.e., the part you didn't pay for), the ads will go away.
Which is why none of those products/services by themselves contain ads. It is the use of the search engine, a free, ad-supported service which brings ads onto your display. If you only wish to use non ad-funded software/services, such as the operating system which you already paid money for, disable the integrated search and use the traditional search as found in Windows 7 and the ads will go away.
Thats fine and all but This is a integral part of Windows Search.
people should really try something out before believing everything spewed on these forums.Thats fine and all but This is a integral part of Windows Search. I still rather have google search as well.
But in the interest of full disclosure I do talk to Microsoft employees
Quit telling me how to use my computer, just give me the way that you told me how to use my computer 20 years ago. Not saying that's you but it does appear to be the thread that runs through the vast majority of Windows 8 complaints.
And how exactly did that come about? Are you a journalist? Do you work for a PR company?
If I show up at Redmond and say "I have LONG wanted Windows to work on tablets and integrated and connected search is dream of mine" will they start talking to me?
How would you feel if car manufacturers replaced steering wheels with giant touch pads and started playing ads over the speakers when you run the car's built-in apps like 'air conditioning,' 'weather,' or 'music player?'
How would you feel if car manufacturers replaced steering wheels with giant touch pads and started playing ads over the speakers when you run the car's built-in apps like 'air conditioning,' 'weather,' or 'music player?'