Thank You Microsoft for Adding ADS

[heatlesssun]

Nothing should surprise you at this point.

So in other words you've not even tried this out and have nothing factual to say about the subject at hand.

 

[CrimsonKnight13]

It doesn't necessarily make sense to block ads in search results particularly if you're doing searches for products and services as you could be blocking exactly what you're try to find.

Search results do just fine w/o ads. I've gone years w/ ad blocking & it shouldn't be any different for an OS.

 

[heatlesssun]

I don't pay to use their search engine. I pay to use the OS, for all the hardware the OS is running on it, and for the internet the ads are downloading over.

Now, it this is leading towards Windows being free for consumers...

This is an arbitrary separation of things that just doesn't translate in the world of connected data and services. I know people is this thread won't like this but when you hit the Windows key and type "albert einstein" of "Chopin" this is what you get with the integrated search:

Yeah, just flooded with ads. And with the Chopin results I can click on the song links and get taken to the Xbox music app and it starts to play. And you get I think like 10 hours a month of free streaming in Xbox music so maybe the ads to help pay for something that's not included in the price of the OS.

Call me a Microsoft fanboy but I just can't see why most people wouldn't like this kind of smart and useful connectivity to the web and services built into the OS but having the option to disable if desired and I think it's definitely that people need to see at least once because it is different and unique on the desktop and even useful. People love to talk about the lack of choice in Windows but the more interesting and powerful the choices are becoming in Windows 8 the more just totally bizarre some of the opposition is.

 

[Wrench00]

It doesn't necessarily make sense to block ads in search results particularly if you're doing searches for products and services as you could be blocking exactly what you're try to find.

Sorry I don't window shop. I buy things I want/need them not because they are on sale (Its called fiscal responsibility).
Also I don't live in the usa so most of the ads wouldn't apply to me anyway. Which makes Bing even more useless, google is the only search engine that will bring up the most accurate searches any way.

 

[Wrench00]

This is an arbitrary separation of things that just doesn't translate in the world of connected data and services. I know people is this thread won't like this but when you hit the Windows key and type "albert einstein" of "Chopin" this is what you get with the integrated search:


Yeah, just flooded with ads. And with the Chopin results I can click on the song links and get taken to the Xbox music app and it starts to play. And you get I think like 10 hours a month of free streaming in Xbox music so maybe the ads to help pay for something that's not included in the price of the OS.

Call me a Microsoft fanboy but I just can't see why most people wouldn't like this kind of smart and useful connectivity to the web and services built into the OS but having the option to disable if desired and I think it's definitely that people need to see at least once because it is different and unique on the desktop and even useful. People love to talk about the lack of choice in Windows but the more interesting and powerful the choices are becoming in Windows 8 the more just totally bizarre some of the opposition is.

Good god. The copyrights on that Music is in commons.. Sorry but IP rights have long ago expired. Its free I can just easily type that stuff into my web browser. If I am searching for a file there is no need for the web to be scoured for this, nor do I want MS Bing to capture those metrics. I may have a file on my machine thats a scan of My Honda Reciept and I type in Honda in a search browser that doesn't mean I want it to give me results for honda.com.

I also have no need for XBOX music as I don't listen to music very often on my computer and If I do its a streaming service of the web any way. Or I will just play stuff out of my itunes. I am not gone pay for something I can get free on the internet streaming and I don't give a flying rats ass about xbox music.
Again you fail to grasp the concept that US Xbox is NOT Canadian XBOX service. Kinda of why Netflix has failed here.


You want to hit a window button to search great am I pigeon holed into using shitastic Bing? Can't I just use the search field in the ALREADY opened browser on my desktop. Which gives me much finer and granular control if I want to copy and paste, take screenshots etc between different programs.

I have an Xbox.. It still sitting in its box after 1.5 years and about 5 hours of use. I have a computer that does everything + gives me the freedom to do anything I want why would I settle for the limitations of xbox. Fuck I can't even use it for Netflix because you need a gold account?!@# My TV does it for free, plus it handles streaming any way.
Your proposing a solution akin to a $50 Hot Dog at a fancy restaurant (MS cloud)when I am already having steak for $10 (at home)

 

[Vermillion]

Yes the writing is on the walls. I think of all the people that proclaim Linux the #1 OS in the world because of Android, an OS given away free with a large ecosystem because of ADVERTISING! So complain about the ads and forget the benefits.

Except the ads are in the APPS not Android itself. This sort of crap from MS is too over the top. I don't want my searches by default heading over the Internet unless I'm specifically opening a browser and searching. Ability to disable is a cop out since 95% of the population is too stupid to opt out. It shouldn't be there in the first place.

Have to admit, to even include it is a bit of insult for a paid product. Can disable it, sure, but again, this is something that has been paid for.

^^ QFTMFT!

 

[heatlesssun]

Good god. The copyrights on that Music is in commons.. Sorry but IP rights have long ago expired. Its free I can just easily type that stuff into my web browser.

This also works with non-free stuff, pretty much any notable musician.

If I am searching for a file there is no need for the web to be scoured for this, nor do I want MS Bing to capture those metrics. I may have a file on my machine thats a scan of My Honda Reciept and I type in Honda in a search browser that doesn't mean I want it to give me results for honda.com.

I also have no need for XBOX music as I don't listen to music very often on my computer and If I do its a streaming service of the web any way. Or I will just play stuff out of my itunes. I am not gone pay for something I can get free on the internet streaming and I don't give a flying rats ass about xbox music.
Again you fail to grasp the concept that US Xbox is NOT Canadian XBOX service. Kinda of why Netflix has failed here.


You want to hit a window button to search great am I pigeon holed into using shitastic Bing? Can't I just use the search field in the ALREADY opened browser on my desktop. Which gives me much finer and granular control if I want to copy and paste, take screenshots etc between different programs.

I have an Xbox.. It still sitting in its box after 1.5 years and about 5 hours of use. I have a computer that does everything + gives me the freedom to do anything I want why would I settle for the limitations of xbox. Fuck I can't even use it for Netflix because you need a gold account?!@# My TV does it for free, plus it handles streaming any way.
Your proposing a solution akin to a $50 Hot Dog at a fancy restaurant (MS cloud)when I am already having steak for $10 (at home)

So basically you don't like it and that means that the millions of people that do web searches everyday won't like it either? Now that is what I would call arrogant. Hit the Windows key, start typing get integrated results. I just don't see why the millions of people everyday doing web searches won't like this.

 

[heatlesssun]

Except the ads are in the APPS not Android itself.

There are no ads in Android search results?

 

[jbltecnicspro]

The fact that Microsoft joined PRISM in 2007 makes me leery of this. What I especially don't like about this is that there are tons of users out there who will get the new OS, not know how to disable this "feature", and have their information tracked. Keep in mind that if they perform a local search, if this is connected to the internet, you can bet your ass that the terms they search for on their local computer will be tracked.

How anyone can argue otherwise is beyond me. Is it too hard to search for something on the internet? Microsoft saving me a few clicks is really such a great feature? No. It's just another way to force data mining down our throats.

EDIT: And before anyone says something (you know they will) - No, I don't like that any of the tech companies are doing this.

 

[CrimsonKnight13]

There are no ads in Android search results?

Depends on what app you're searching through. Some have ads & others don't. If you have a rooted phone, you can block ALL ads regardless of the app. I block ads on Windows, Linux, & Android since I don't need marketing to overwhelm anything I'm doing.

 

[heatlesssun]

How anyone can argue otherwise is beyond me. Is it too hard to search for something on the internet? Microsoft saving me a few clicks is really such a great feature? No. It's just another way to force data mining down our throats.

If someone is this worried about this subject then they need to turn off their phone, disconnect from the Internet and just stay home. We live in a connected world with massive databases storing all kinds of information. I guess I've worked in financial institutions so long that have all kinds of data about us that I never really had much doubt that the government didn't have it's own repositories. Bottom line, if someone , private citizen or government, wants to know about you there's not a lot you can do about it unless you unplug from the infrastructure and services of civilization.

 

[heatlesssun]

Depends on what app you're searching through. Some have ads & others don't. If you have a rooted phone, you can block ALL ads regardless of the app. I block ads on Windows, Linux, & Android since I don't need marketing to overwhelm anything I'm doing.

But of course you're not blocking the ads on [H]. I admit, that it does rub me the wrong way when people complain about ads yet enjoy the benefits everyday.

 

[CrimsonKnight13]

But of course you're not blocking the ads on [H]. I admit, that it does rub me the wrong way when people complain about ads yet enjoy the benefits everyday.

So are we talking about technology, ethics, or economics here?

 

[heatlesssun]

So are we talking about technology, ethics, or economics here?

This is certainly a matter of all three at different levels as is with powerful technology. Advertising has certainly become an effective way to monetize technology and there's no way the web would be where it is today without advertising, that's simply a fact, but who likes ads? It's a Catch-22.

I think much of the deeper resistance to Windows 8 has little to do with the Modern UI and much more to do with the cloud and services integration and the implications of what that entails. Everyone loves the incredible convenience of the sum total of human knowledge at their finger tips, but connect a PCs search system into that with the potential of ads or data mining then all of a sudden its now some great evil. Again a Catch-22.

And of course the ethics of this are no easier. These vast stores of information can obviously be used for bad purposes and do posses a threat. But any powerful technology has always had perverted potential. From splitting atoms to the discovery of DNA, computer technology has both its great and not so great purposes.

I'm a child of the 70s. There used to be this documentary series that talked about the ramifications of technology that I saw in school, I'll have to remember what it was called, thanks to the power of the web, that's easier than ever to do. I think of it as a risk calculation. What benefit do I and society gain with a given technology even it make be abused from time to time. Honestly I am much more concerned with the private thieves and hackers than I am of government listening to me call my wife to remind her to pick up some hot sauce.

 

[Vermillion]

There are no ads in Android search results?

In Android itself? No. You obviously haven't installed plain Android. Android has no apps other than basic thinks like the camera, stock browser, etc. Anything Google is an app you have to install. Yes, OEM's install those apps by default but they are NOT included in Android by default.

The Google Search bar shows ads but YOU have to decide to use the search bar and even install it (it can be disabled).

There are plenty of people out there who run Google free versions of Android. That's why sites like f-droid.org exist.

This is certainly a matter of all three at different levels as is with powerful technology. Advertising has certainly become an effective way to monetize technology and there's no way the web would be where it is today without advertising, that's simply a fact, but who likes ads? It's a Catch-22.

I think much of the deeper resistance to Windows 8 has little to do with the Modern UI and much more to do with the cloud and services integration and the implications of what that entails. Everyone loves the incredible convenience of the sum total of human knowledge at their finger tips, but connect a PCs search system into that with the potential of ads or data mining then all of a sudden its now some great evil. Again a Catch-22.

And of course the ethics of this are no easier. These vast stores of information can obviously be used for bad purposes and do posses a threat. But any powerful technology has always had perverted potential. From splitting atoms to the discovery of DNA, computer technology has both its great and not so great purposes.

I'm a child of the 70s. There used to be this documentary series that talked about the ramifications of technology that I saw in school, I'll have to remember what it was called, thanks to the power of the web, that's easier than ever to do. I think of it as a risk calculation. What benefit do I and society gain with a given technology even it make be abused from time to time. Honestly I am much more concerned with the private thieves and hackers than I am of government listening to me call my wife to remind her to pick up some hot sauce.

Ads don't bother me when done right. Ads don't bother me when used to monetize free services such as Google, sites like the [H], or apps.

Ads do bother me when they're rammed down my throat by integrating services into a product I already had to pay for.

There is no good reason for MS to do this other than trying to back door a way to more search revenue because they know that when that user fires up a browser chances are they're not going to Bing.

Plus who says I want Bing to default? Who says I don't want duckduckgo or Google itself? I shouldn't have to dig and find the option to disable this bullshit "feature" as it shouldn't be there in the first place.

 

[Wrench00]

This is certainly a matter of all three at different levels as is with powerful technology. Advertising has certainly become an effective way to monetize technology and there's no way the web would be where it is today without advertising, that's simply a fact, but who likes ads? It's a Catch-22.

I think much of the deeper resistance to Windows 8 has little to do with the Modern UI and much more to do with the cloud and services integration and the implications of what that entails. Everyone loves the incredible convenience of the sum total of human knowledge at their finger tips, but connect a PCs search system into that with the potential of ads or data mining then all of a sudden its now some great evil. Again a Catch-22.

And of course the ethics of this are no easier. These vast stores of information can obviously be used for bad purposes and do posses a threat. But any powerful technology has always had perverted potential. From splitting atoms to the discovery of DNA, computer technology has both its great and not so great purposes.

I'm a child of the 70s. There used to be this documentary series that talked about the ramifications of technology that I saw in school, I'll have to remember what it was called, thanks to the power of the web, that's easier than ever to do. I think of it as a risk calculation. What benefit do I and society gain with a given technology even it make be abused from time to time. Honestly I am much more concerned with the private thieves and hackers than I am of government listening to me call my wife to remind her to pick up some hot sauce.

If your a child of seventies then you should be outraged at spying especially by the government.

I am a Canadian I have no reason for storing anything in the USA or any other country.
I rather not have USA NSA go through my shit. Have fun in the US of Paranoia.

Your not worried about the government, yeah like no person that has ever worked for the government has EVER misused or abused resources for their own personal agenda. At this point I have to tell you to grow up.

 

[Ur_Mom]

Cool, because between web sites and web searches and email and trailware, etc., ads have been on desktops forever. If one doesn't like the integrated search it's easily disabled.

Ok. I'm all for Windows 8 and Microsoft. But, you're defending them for anything and everything. If Microsoft said they were killing babies, you'd find a way to defend that.

Ads on the desktop should be a no-no. Off limits. This isn't NASCAR. Individual apps? Ok. I can see it. Ad supported. But, on a paid app? People get a bit angry (see Hulu Plus). Put them on the search function of the OS? No. That's too far. People are paying for the OS, that's your revenue stream for the base OS. You don't start putting sponsor stickers all over to make up some extra income.

This is just another bad decision from Microsoft lately. It seems the past year or two has been full of bad decisions. Some great ones, but a lot of bad ones. Then, the PR response is worse....

Disabled by default would be great, but NO ONE would ever enable them, other than OEM's.

 

[zero2dash]

I think of all the people that proclaim Linux the #1 OS in the world because of Android, an OS given away free with a large ecosystem because of ADVERTISING!

Dunno what hackneyed piece of shit Android variant you're running, but every version of Android I've run has had no ads.

Are there free Android apps that have ads? Sure.

When I search around in Android for files, not using any app, are there ads? Nope.

I know you like the koolaid, but dude, please, just stop; enough already.

 

[Ruoh]

This subject gives me heartburn. It also makes me want to reinstall Arch, and only use Windows 8 when I want to play a game that Steam for Linux doesn't work with (and that's becoming more and more rare).

 

[/usr/sbin]

+1. Except that I block almost 90% of all ads and I am sure most enthusiasts do as well.
If the ads are built in it will be much more difficult to stop them.

Not really. I'll stop them simply by not using the OS.

 

[heatlesssun]

In Android itself? No. You obviously haven't installed plain Android. Android has no apps other than basic thinks like the camera, stock browser, etc. Anything Google is an app you have to install. Yes, OEM's install those apps by default but they are NOT included in Android by default.

The Google Search bar shows ads but YOU have to decide to use the search bar and even install it (it can be disabled).

There are plenty of people out there who run Google free versions of Android. That's why sites like f-droid.org exist.

So when using one of these versions of Android, what happens when you do a web search? Would the results be different than doing the same search in a desktop browser using the desktop version of a search engine on that Android device?

Ads don't bother me when done right. Ads don't bother me when used to monetize free services such as Google, sites like the [H], or apps.

Fair enough.

Ads do bother me when they're rammed down my throat by integrating services into a product I already had to pay for.

I've been using this integrated search for a month. I never saw a single ad until this story broke yesterday and started doing searches on commercial terms like "ford", "starbucks", "aaa travel" (an example that Microsoft showed in its blog post about the ads), etc. When you do searches for something like hardforum, c++, "what's the temperature in London", "Albert Einstein", "Chopin", "Rihanna", "Thank You Microsoft for Adding ADS", etc. there are no ads. If one doesn't believe that they are getting ad results rammed down their throats via conventional web browser searches with no inline ad link blocking, it would be difficult to conclude that they would think that this integrated search, which presents exactly the same ads is ramming them down their throats either.

There is no good reason for MS to do this other than trying to back door a way to more search revenue because they know that when that user fires up a browser chances are they're not going to Bing.

Plus who says I want Bing to default? Who says I don't want duckduckgo or Google itself? I shouldn't have to dig and find the option to disable this bullshit "feature" as it shouldn't be there in the first place.

So do you really think that duckduckgo or Google would provide Microsoft search services to tie into Modern apps? That's unlikely. In any case I think that for average people they simply want simpler, faster and nicer ways to access to increbile amount of data and services out there and I doubt that many will believe they are selling their souls to the devil to do it, at least not any more than they are already paying. In the Microsoft blog post about this they had an example of the ads by doing a search on "aaa travel". Here's what that looks like in the 8.1 integrated search:

So do a search on "aaa travel" and the ad which is actually marked is the official AAA web site. Gee, how like not annoying and totally relevant to the search.

 

[heatlesssun]

Ok. I'm all for Windows 8 and Microsoft. But, you're defending them for anything and everything. If Microsoft said they were killing babies, you'd find a way to defend that.

Ads on the desktop should be a no-no. Off limits. This isn't NASCAR. Individual apps? Ok. I can see it. Ad supported. But, on a paid app? People get a bit angry (see Hulu Plus). Put them on the search function of the OS? No. That's too far. People are paying for the OS, that's your revenue stream for the base OS. You don't start putting sponsor stickers all over to make up some extra income.

This is just another bad decision from Microsoft lately. It seems the past year or two has been full of bad decisions. Some great ones, but a lot of bad ones. Then, the PR response is worse....

Disabled by default would be great, but NO ONE would ever enable them, other than OEM's.

No one has really explained to me why ads in web browser are ok but if they are displayed in an application (beyond the world is spying on me syndrome but not in a web browser) they are bad when the ad is related to the actual search. It's not like you search for Isaac Newton and are presented ad links for Turtle Wax.

 

[jbltecnicspro]

No one has really explained to me why ads in web browser are ok but if they are displayed in an application (beyond the world is spying on me syndrome but not in a web browser) they are bad when the ad is related to the actual search. It's not like you search for Isaac Newton and are presented ad links for Turtle Wax.

Because it's invasive. And please drop the cavalier attitude about the spying. No one who dislikes the privacy violations believes that spying is okay on a web browser. We don't like it, period. It's not a syndrome, and it's not a conspiracy. It's really happening. This is why Snowden's running for his life. He didn't blow the whistle on nothing.

When I get on my browser and search for things and send my packets and requests out, I know that they're being tracked. I don't LIKE it, but I know that it's happening. I shouldn't have to wonder if my OS is sending out this stuff either. And Microsoft, by enabling it by default, has made it easier to get a hold of this data. I know plenty of computer users who are too ignorant to figure out how to disable this. It sounds sad, but it's true.

I, for one, am not contesting the ads. I'm contesting the PRINCIPLE of this whole mess. It's a feature that no one wants. No one asked for this. Quit telling me how to use my computer (not you - Microsoft). Quit opening back doors for me to be tracked, while trying to sell me on a sliver of convenience these back doors allow. And stop insulting us who actually care about our privacy. Yes - I'm on the internet posting this. Yes - I know that it's probably being tracked. I know the risks, I'm taking them. I don't need to worry about my operating system doing the same thing behind my back.

 

[Wrench00]

Because it's invasive. And please drop the cavalier attitude about the spying. No one who dislikes the privacy violations believes that spying is okay on a web browser. We don't like it, period. It's not a syndrome, and it's not a conspiracy. It's really happening. This is why Snowden's running for his life. He didn't blow the whistle on nothing.

When I get on my browser and search for things and send my packets and requests out, I know that they're being tracked. I don't LIKE it, but I know that it's happening. I shouldn't have to wonder if my OS is sending out this stuff either. And Microsoft, by enabling it by default, has made it easier to get a hold of this data. I know plenty of computer users who are too ignorant to figure out how to disable this. It sounds sad, but it's true.

I, for one, am not contesting the ads. I'm contesting the PRINCIPLE of this whole mess. It's a feature that no one wants. No one asked for this. Quit telling me how to use my computer (not you - Microsoft). Quit opening back doors for me to be tracked, while trying to sell me on a sliver of convenience these back doors allow. And stop insulting us who actually care about our privacy. Yes - I'm on the internet posting this. Yes - I know that it's probably being tracked. I know the risks, I'm taking them. I don't need to worry about my operating system doing the same thing behind my back.

+1. Well put.

 

[Vermillion]

Because it's invasive. And please drop the cavalier attitude about the spying. No one who dislikes the privacy violations believes that spying is okay on a web browser. We don't like it, period. It's not a syndrome, and it's not a conspiracy. It's really happening. This is why Snowden's running for his life. He didn't blow the whistle on nothing.

When I get on my browser and search for things and send my packets and requests out, I know that they're being tracked. I don't LIKE it, but I know that it's happening. I shouldn't have to wonder if my OS is sending out this stuff either. And Microsoft, by enabling it by default, has made it easier to get a hold of this data. I know plenty of computer users who are too ignorant to figure out how to disable this. It sounds sad, but it's true.

I, for one, am not contesting the ads. I'm contesting the PRINCIPLE of this whole mess. It's a feature that no one wants. No one asked for this. Quit telling me how to use my computer (not you - Microsoft). Quit opening back doors for me to be tracked, while trying to sell me on a sliver of convenience these back doors allow. And stop insulting us who actually care about our privacy. Yes - I'm on the internet posting this. Yes - I know that it's probably being tracked. I know the risks, I'm taking them. I don't need to worry about my operating system doing the same thing behind my back.

+1 to you sir.

 

[heatlesssun]

I, for one, am not contesting the ads. I'm contesting the PRINCIPLE of this whole mess. It's a feature that no one wants. No one asked for this.

I get accused of working for Microsoft constantly but somehow people that make the statement "No one asked for this." when referring to something that Microsoft did that is unpopular in the audience never gets accused of working for Microsoft. I have no idea of all of the bazillion things that people ask Microsoft to do since I don't work there but I do marvel at those who also don't work there that somehow seem to have intimate knowledge of what its millions upon million of customers never asked for.

But in the interest of full disclosure I do talk to Microsoft employees and have asked for much that is in Windows 8. I have LONG wanted Windows to work on tablets and integrated and connected search is dream of mine. With all of the services and data that we currently have a list of links for everything is not enough. The Internet contains a great deal of the sum of human knowledge, it can be and should be used as a database backend to UI experiences beyond a simple listing of search results. And I know that I far from the first person that's had this thought.

Quit telling me how to use my computer (not you - Microsoft). Quit opening back doors for me to be tracked, while trying to sell me on a sliver of convenience these back doors allow. And stop insulting us who actually care about our privacy. Yes - I'm on the internet posting this. Yes - I know that it's probably being tracked. I know the risks, I'm taking them. I don't need to worry about my operating system doing the same thing behind my back.

Quit telling me how to use my computer, just give me the way that you told me how to use my computer 20 years ago. Not saying that's you but it does appear to be the thread that runs through the vast majority of Windows 8 complaints. As for the OS taking the same risks behind your back, fair enough. But this question never gets pointed out much when dealing with the current #1 OS in the world Linux (not really, Android) that's almost completely and totally funded by those "taking risks". And since Linux, excuse me, Android is the #1 OS in the world, it appears that most have no problem with those risks. But of course, it you can't deal with Metro we all know rooting and Android device is infinitely easier.

 

[_brew]

I get accused of working for Microsoft constantly but somehow people that make the statement "No one asked for this." when referring to something that Microsoft did that is unpopular in the audience never gets accused of working for Microsoft.

that's because these anti-bingers obviously work for google

 

[wonderfield]

I work for both Google and Apple.

And for Mama's Hometown Café in Marion, Alabama. Home to the finest hashbrowns in Perry county!

 

[jbltecnicspro]

I get accused of working for Microsoft constantly but somehow people that make the statement "No one asked for this." when referring to something that Microsoft did that is unpopular in the audience never gets accused of working for Microsoft. I have no idea of all of the bazillion things that people ask Microsoft to do since I don't work there but I do marvel at those who also don't work there that somehow seem to have intimate knowledge of what its millions upon million of customers never asked for.

But in the interest of full disclosure I do talk to Microsoft employees and have asked for much that is in Windows 8. I have LONG wanted Windows to work on tablets and integrated and connected search is dream of mine. With all of the services and data that we currently have a list of links for everything is not enough. The Internet contains a great deal of the sum of human knowledge, it can be and should be used as a database backend to UI experiences beyond a simple listing of search results. And I know that I far from the first person that's had this thought.



Quit telling me how to use my computer, just give me the way that you told me how to use my computer 20 years ago. Not saying that's you but it does appear to be the thread that runs through the vast majority of Windows 8 complaints. As for the OS taking the same risks behind your back, fair enough. But this question never gets pointed out much when dealing with the current #1 OS in the world Linux (not really, Android) that's almost completely and totally funded by those "taking risks". And since Linux, excuse me, Android is the #1 OS in the world, it appears that most have no problem with those risks. But of course, it you can't deal with Metro we all know rooting and Android device is infinitely easier.

First, I never accused you of working for Microsoft. I didn't even imply it. I've seen other people do it, but I've never allowed myself to go there. Why? Because you said you don't. I try to give others the benefit of the doubt. And for the point that I don't know what others are thinking about and are asking for? Taken. But granted, I haven't seen anywhere near as many scathing posts over Windows 7 as I have for Windows 8.

As for your disclosure, well - it makes sense then why you'd be defending this feature. If it's your dream, it's your dream.

As for Android? Come on - we're discussing Windows 8 here. It's like you're putting words in my mouth. But since we're disclosing everything, I don't like Google either. I think all of these companies who went behind our backs and did this should be held accountable. And, if I may be so blunt - I think it's insane that most people don't care that their privacy is being violated and that everything they do is being tracked and stored. But I don't see what you're getting at, or why you're arguing. The fact is this - it's wrong and illegal. Just because Google does and most people don't seem to care doesn't make it any less wrong.

 

[heatlesssun]

that's because these anti-bingers obviously work for google

LOL! I've simply had my fill about all of the NSA tin hats that preach about privacy and brag about blocking ads while enjoying all of the benefits of those who simply accept the business model:

(23) Any discussion of AD BLOCKING software or instruction for using ad blocking regarding this forum or any other discussion in general of attempting to block advertisement will result in a no questions asked permanent ban on your account. This is not done lightly, rather deliberately to deny access to those who choose to utilize this forum, but not support our sponsors. It takes money to finance the cost of bandwidth, especially a forum of this size and if you don't care enough to support us through our advertisers, then we don't need your business. This will be the only warning with no discussion.

Fine, complain about the NSA or freedom or this or that. Telling someone in place that EXCLICITY says "Don't talk about how you do that." while others are supporting financially the place you say ads are evil is beyond the nonsense of government. Don't like this stuff, fine. Don't enjoy the benefits from those that accept it for what it is.

 

[jbltecnicspro]

Edit: Nevermind, I'm done. Not sure why you brought rule #23 up. No one here is discussing blocking. As far as information tracking is concerned, I was talking of the whole gamut of things. Email accounts, searches, phone conversations, etc. Call me a tin-hat if you want, I don't care. There are plenty of topics on the Front Page News section that get into this mess.

 

[heatlesssun]

First, I never accused you of working for Microsoft. I didn't even imply it. I've seen other people do it, but I've never allowed myself to go there. Why? Because you said you don't. I try to give others the benefit of the doubt. And for the point that I don't know what others are thinking about and are asking for? Taken. But granted, I haven't seen anywhere near as many scathing posts over Windows 7 as I have for Windows 8.

As for your disclosure, well - it makes sense then why you'd be defending this feature. If it's your dream, it's your dream.

As for Android? Come on - we're discussing Windows 8 here. It's like you're putting words in my mouth. But since we're disclosing everything, I don't like Google either. I think all of these companies who went behind our backs and did this should be held accountable. And, if I may be so blunt - I think it's insane that most people don't care that their privacy is being violated and that everything they do is being tracked and stored. But I don't see what you're getting at, or why you're arguing. The fact is this - it's wrong and illegal. Just because Google does and most people don't seem to care doesn't make it any less wrong.

Fair enough. I apologize for putting words in your mouth, that was not my intent. I'm just pointing out that all the indiscretions that may be occurring already are and the only issue here is simply a matter of some configuration settings. I think the integrated search is great, what the implications are for privacy I cannot determine at this time.

Again, my point was that people accept the terms of web searches all of the time and that's why many enjoy their Android phones and web searches, regardless of how many ads they block or how many phones they root.

"You're being spied on, be outraged! BTW, I'm benefitting from all of these services but bragging out blocking the ads and tracking and such. Except where the places I visit say not to advertise that much because I use those services and that's how they get paid but you know, the government is bad and stuff and spying on you.!"

 

[jbltecnicspro]

I see where you're coming from too, btw. No hard feelings?

Edit - who's bragging about blocking though? Did I miss that somewhere?

Nevermind - I think I get it... Bed time for me.

 

[Dogs]

I don't pay to use their search engine.

Right. You don't pay to use their search engine. This is why their search engine displays ads. And since the integrated search is essentially a channel for using their search engine, it too displays ads. No matter how anybody tries to spin it, the ads have nothing to do with the operating system which you paid for and everything to do with the search engine you didn't pay for. If you turn off the web search engine component of the search (i.e., the part you didn't pay for), the ads will go away.

I pay to use the OS, for all the hardware the OS is running on it, and for the internet the ads are downloading over.

Which is why none of those products/services by themselves contain ads. It is the use of the search engine, a free, ad-supported service which brings ads onto your display. If you only wish to use non ad-funded software/services, such as the operating system which you already paid money for, disable the integrated search and use the traditional search as found in Windows 7 and the ads will go away.

 

[Wrench00]

Right. You don't pay to use their search engine. This is why their search engine displays ads. And since the integrated search is essentially a channel for using their search engine, it too displays ads. No matter how anybody tries to spin it, the ads have nothing to do with the operating system which you paid for and everything to do with the search engine you didn't pay for. If you turn off the web search engine component of the search (i.e., the part you didn't pay for), the ads will go away.



Which is why none of those products/services by themselves contain ads. It is the use of the search engine, a free, ad-supported service which brings ads onto your display. If you only wish to use non ad-funded software/services, such as the operating system which you already paid money for, disable the integrated search and use the traditional search as found in Windows 7 and the ads will go away.

Thats fine and all but This is a integral part of Windows Search. I still rather have google search as well.

 

[Dogs]

Thats fine and all but This is a integral part of Windows Search.

No it isn't. Integral implies that this functionality is essential. This is simply not true, as this functionality can easily be turned off, leaving the search feature to function exactly as it does in Windows 7.

 

[_brew]

Thats fine and all but This is a integral part of Windows Search. I still rather have google search as well.

people should really try something out before believing everything spewed on these forums.

there's an identical google search app

 

[DeathFromBelow]

But in the interest of full disclosure I do talk to Microsoft employees

And how exactly did that come about? Are you a journalist? Do you work for a PR company?

If I show up at Redmond and say "I have LONG wanted Windows to work on tablets and integrated and connected search is dream of mine" will they start talking to me?

Quit telling me how to use my computer, just give me the way that you told me how to use my computer 20 years ago. Not saying that's you but it does appear to be the thread that runs through the vast majority of Windows 8 complaints.

How would you feel if car manufacturers replaced steering wheels with giant touch pads and started playing ads over the speakers when you run the car's built-in apps like 'air conditioning,' 'weather,' or 'music player?'

 

[Autopia]

And how exactly did that come about? Are you a journalist? Do you work for a PR company?

If I show up at Redmond and say "I have LONG wanted Windows to work on tablets and integrated and connected search is dream of mine" will they start talking to me?



How would you feel if car manufacturers replaced steering wheels with giant touch pads and started playing ads over the speakers when you run the car's built-in apps like 'air conditioning,' 'weather,' or 'music player?'

lol nice, i know this has been hammered on, truth be told everyone is moving in the direction of tracking there isn't anything anyone can do to stop it. cookies were used, then googletook it to a whole new level, every time I log into gmail I see ads on the top of the inbox of my email I see ads, outlook has them at the right side. Mircosoft is doing this to collect some of that advertising money. whats funny about this is with google my email is free, with microsoft Im paying twice, once for the os or office product, second by having allt he ads displayed all over. LOL have to laugh about it. FYI i'm still using windows 7 and if linux can get things together I'll use that instead! no windows 8, or android for me.

 

[Dogs]

How would you feel if car manufacturers replaced steering wheels with giant touch pads and started playing ads over the speakers when you run the car's built-in apps like 'air conditioning,' 'weather,' or 'music player?'

Your analogy is absolutely, completely, inaccurate. If you would have said "and started playing ads over the speakers when you use the cars built in satellite radio, which costs nothing extra and requires no extra monthly fee.", that would be accurate, though I doubt anybody would feel ads were unjustified in that situations.

Clearly there's some sort of understanding gap here, though. You seem to be having trouble grasping the concept that the ads are entirely separate from Windows. They have nothing to do with windows at all. They're 100% part of the bing search results. Bing is and always has been an ad-supported service, and you'll receive these ads whether you use the standard web interface or some search portal like the integrated search in Windows. It's a bit like if Microsoft offered a built in Spotify application. If you use the built in Spotify application, it would be completely fair for them to play ads through the built in Spotify application, because even though you paid for the OS, you are not paying a monthly Spotify membership. Spotify contains ads if you use their own client, so it would only make sense if Spotify contained ads if you accessed it through a built-in app. If you don't want to hear ads, use Windows media player and listen to your local music files instead of using the Spotify functionality. If you don't want to see ads when you're searching, turn off the search integration and only search through local files.