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Businesses don't buy from ebay and that's one of the reasons I'm having trouble selling my server hardware on ebay, so why would I make it any worse for myself buy comparing ebay prices to the price I paid newegg for my Intel Xeon E5-2609v2's let alone even buy from ebay for that matter especially for $4.69 for each Intel Xeon E5-2609v2 you want me to compare mine to as well as lower my price to.
A few years ago I saw a system similar to yours for sale locally. I REALLY needed a server at the time and I still turned it down. Pretty sure it was about $200 and I just couldn't justify it on v2 processors and ddr3.
No, one , cares, about how much it has been used to calculate cost. It is either used or isnt.
Squartrade warranties from ebay are worthless IMHO, and probably in the mind of many buyers.
No one cares what you need. Life 101, only your mommy and daddy will ever really care. If they are gone well you are on your own.
No it isnt
They do,? might? Which one or the other? come on into reality. It's been 2 years. Did you graduate yet? Finish that senior year?
Why? Just ditch them. 4 years ago they had some value. Buying new hardware to test old chips is... not really a good idea.
That's not how power supplies work.
Ok, fine - I hope you bought it used and cheap off of ebay, because buying a new V2 board 4 years ago was a waste of money unless you had one hell of an industrial or business use case.
This was a very unwise expense. Those systems were not worth that then except to very specific people (generally industrial setups that don't have the software validated for newer hardware or needed very specific slot configurations on a board) - you should not have spent that much then, never mind now. You made a mistake - I'm sorry, but it's true. No one except businesses was spending that then - and only when they absolutely had to, otherwise they'd just buy NEW hardware instead. You're not an industrial plant.
Also unwise.
6. You're on Ivy Bridge. After that is Haswell (1), Broadwell (2), Skylake (3), Cascade lake (4), Cascade Lake R (5), and now Ice Lake (6), and Sapphire Rapids is coming soon(tm). You're two generations behind on RAM (DDR3 vs 5). You don't support any of the hardware spectre or meltdown mitigations. VMware is dropping support for Ivy Bridge in 8 (currently in beta). You're on PCIE 3 at best (I can't be bothered to check) while PCIE5 is now out.
So what? That's not special, and now 6 generations later, it's not unique either.
Doesn't matter how old the hardware is or how much it's been used. This is server gear - the value is tied to the age of the architecture and how many successor generations have been released. Ivy Bridge came out 10 years ago and is 6 generations old. It's effectively scrap metal.
I don't care about warranties. Individuals don't care about warranties on old server gear. They care about price/usefulness as a ratio - the higher the usefulness, the higher the price its worth. 6 generations old is not useful, and therefore the price must be low.
Buy a couple of desktop workstations used and set up the software there. Trust me - I run a HUGE home lab (see photos prior) and I can simulate almost ~anything~ you could ever want to do (we're a full L3 IPSEC+BGP network across 4 sites in a mesh with weighted ECMP) - and all of our layer based systems are built on home kit (we call them TORboxes - for Top Of Rack Box, as it runs the routing/VPN/etc software at the "top" of each site).
Nope. You don't understand margins either.
In that case you're selling to individuals. Why buy your system when I can get a new one from Dell with much more modern processors for cheaper? Especially now?!?
Just because you made a poor choice on purchase price doesn't mean others will.
It's half the same hardware and just a year apart. "Same diff" as we say at this age.
Yes I paid off the bill in 2019 and no you don't have to replace everything inside the server I'm selling. All you have to replace is the motherboard, processors, and RAM aka memory because the heatsinks with fans are still compatible with Intel Xeon Scalable, the video card wouldn't need replaced, and neighter would the Areca RAID card or the Blue-Ray XL Burner Drive or the hard drives. I gaurantee that you could replace the motherboard, processors, and RAM for less than a Dell with Xeon Scalable support too because the Supermicro X11DAI motherboard with up to 4 TB of DDR4 ECC RAM support sells for as low as $739.99 here on newegg: Supermicro X11DAI-N Motherboard , the Intel Xeon Scalable Bronze 3104 6-Core Retail Boxed Processors go for as low as $344.99 each here on newegg: Intel Xeon Scalable Bronze 3104 SkyLake 6-Core 1.7 GHz LGA 3647 85W BX806733104 Server Processor , and Black Diamond DDR4 ECC RAM with heatspreaders sell for $760.00 here on Newegg: Black Diamond Memory 64GB 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM ECC Registered DDR4 2133 (PC4 17000) Server Memory Model BD64G2133MQR96 , which stilll costs you a lot less than a Dell R540 server to make it fully loaded with the same hardware here starting at $1989.00 : Dell PowerEdge R540 Rack Server .
I really really like how he keeps saying "RAM aka memory" lol. So good.
So you aren't in fact desperate for the money, anymore. Sounds like you can just dump it and work on saving up for something reasonable and new (or old and used) that will actually give you the learning potential you want.
LGA3647 uses a mechanically incompatible socket from 20xx. The HSF's cannot be reused, even with adapters because the IHS's are so damn big. The video card and optical drive are merely extras at this point. We either have sets of what we want already or will put in something newer and better. RAID cards are a dime a dozen, assuming we need one at all (tons of storage access on those boards, RAID is generally outdated, anyway).
Again, consider your market. We aren't enterprise, we aren't going to pay new retail for old hardware. Yours OR Dell's. Most of us don't even need or want rackmount (or its noise). X11's aren't cheap used for sure, but <$500 will get a quality example, among many other options, some which have built in graphics for servers. We aren't going to pay retail for old CPUs, either. lopoetve already pointed out that off warranty SP Platinums are now relatively cheap (and damn, they really are, if there weren't impending platform and GPU releases I need to jump on, I would be biting), and so are DDR4 RDIMMs. *Knock on wood* The stuff is so reliable that having one or two off warranty enterprise pieces at home isn't a failure concern (like it is when you have hundreds or thousands in a datacenter and the bathtub curve comes into play).
I was thinking he was going off a twitter rant of Ian Cutress' about why "RAM" as a term shouldn't be used generically, but I'm genuinely concerned Scharf doesn't know that much about hardware.
Weird thing to have an issue with. I say RAM for system memory and reference GB size when discussing cards. But if I had to differentiate (not that I should have to. The person I'm speaking with should be able to determine, based on the conversation, what I am referring to) I would state RAM or VRAM.
RAID cards that support RAID 60 or higher are not a dime a dozen because there are only two choices with one being LSI, which is very cheap at $100 except good luck with getting long enough mini-SAS to SATA cables needed to connect to backplane for the hard drives bays with it or drivers unless you use the drivers included with Microsoft Windows if there are any, but good luck With Linux or with Apple if its supported and then there is ARECA which costs around $400 to $700 or more, but ARECA's includes the internal mini-SAS to SATA cables for backplane on the case for the hard drives and a driver disc in case your having trouble getting the drivers from the internet on to a flash drive first.
You're not going to get a new HP or IBM server for less than $500 fully loaded or one that's barely used especially with Intel Xeon Scalable support or AMD Epyc Support.
That's not the implication. He asked why he should buy your old ass junk over an HP DL380 Gen 8 off eBay that would cost around $500. We are talking about similar generations of hardware. Why would he spend nearly $4,000 on what your selling when he can buy equivalent hardware for less money literally anywhere else. We are talking about the same decade old era of hardware you are. Not new Xeon Scalable CPU's or anything like that.
No, they're not.
Most server boards have BMC connections on them - what do I need a video card for? If I did need one - I've got spares, and basic output cards are $65 or so. If I'm putting a real GPU in a server, I'm buying a GRID card.
A relatively useless card - SATA only, and Areca doesn't have inbox drivers for ESXi (or 3rd party anymore), so you're limited to windows and Linux - which is a much smaller market to start with now. LSI 8000 series cards go for $100-200 on ebay, flash to IR mode if you need RAID.
Drives are drives, optical is ancient - I keep one last one around on USB just in case, but they don't get used anymore. It's 2022 - no one uses optical now.
And we could replace those with a cheap case for far less than buying yours - you're not helping your argument here.
Uh. No. I've already done this for you once, not doing it again. But either way - this isn't helping your argument - why buy yours when I can build cheaper?
It's amazing what happens when you get close to the end of the 5 year old depreciation cycle, ain't it?
Bingo - and I have no financial penalty or loss if a lab system goes down or loses a dimm or a proc.
Got 10 of them in a box. Easy. Cheap. If that doesn't fit, FS.com or others have them and will make them. They're like $20 a cable.
There are. For all of them. Including ESXi and Proxmox and more. The LSI cards are the most common cards in existence - they're rebranded in dozens of different brands. PERC, Lenovo, hell - everyone but HP!!
Why would I have trouble getting drivers? 1, I have the internet, and 2, almost every OS has the drivers built in - but ARECA is so unusual that there AREN'T inbox drivers for a lot of things.
That's not what we're doing. We're trying to help you actually sell it. By asking what it's worth.
Why would I want an ivy bridge cluster? It can't run anything that I can't run elsewhere - and in fact, once ESXi 8 drops in a few months, it won't even be able to run current software. I don't build physical windows or linux servers - what good would out of date hardware do me?
Now the price target is $500?
THIS. Why buy your server when we could get that - if we really wanted to?
But... Is it 25% off at a savings of $986.10? Probably not. Get OUT OF HERE!
I don't need to. It definitely isn't. Your deal is trash. Buy his.
Here's the catch. You didn't save 25%! Sucker.
Same here I've given away stuff I could have actually sold for some real profits!
Your an idiot because you get one hard drive an it's a 600 GB SAS 15K RPM so what, but you only get one hard drive and configuration is not customizable. Plus mine includes eight 2TB SAS 7200 RPM and RAID card that supports RAID 60, so you're getting the dual hard drive hot swap parity. Your link still didn't include an Operating System either and you have on board video, so what if you already have graphics cards lying around because those are all probably junk compared to what I'm selling too.
So, let's extrapolate (is that too long of a word?) here.
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No one is running RAID60, and absolutely no one at all is running 60 on a crappy old ARECA card.
Hell, why would you run hardware RAID anyway?? Use a nas and a proper filesystem like everyone else
